Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition

[MGB8]

I'm worried this is true except they'll pick Derozan over Pat Will. Already some sign and trade whispers starting. Bulls just don't seem to be prioritizing him to me.

DeRozan won’t stay for middling money, while Pat has no choice. So the Bulls will facilitate a trade of DDR to a winning team.

Who can offer more than the MLE that would sign DeRozan? I can think of only Philly, which isn’t the best fit, but they may bite the bullet if they lose out on other options.

IMO, decent chance Paul George moves on and the Clippers are interested in DDR, possibly creating a 3 way trade where Philly’s ability to send out some cap space comes into play.

[Red8911]

Could see Zach to Hornets for space and Mark Williams if Clingan falls to 6. Melo Zach Miller Bridges Clingan. They were interested last year.

We gotta let DDR walk.
Gotta move Vuc and replace with a defensive C.

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team. How does letting Demar leave help? Sure they weren’t a playoff team with him the last couple of years but he was by far the best player. How do you replace his productivity AND get better ?

If they had an answer for that I’m all for it but until then Demar should return and I still think he will. I’m pretty sure the Bulls are just trying to lower his price a bit but in the end they will find common ground and he will resign.

[Guru]

DeRozan won’t stay for middling money, while Pat has no choice. So the Bulls will facilitate a trade of DDR to a winning team.

Who can offer more than the MLE that would sign DeRozan? I can think of only Philly, which isn’t the best fit, but they may bite the bullet if they lose out on other options.

IMO, decent chance Paul George moves on and the Clippers are interested in DDR, possibly creating a 3 way trade where Philly’s ability to send out some cap space comes into play.

I think
DDR ends up in NYC
Vuc ends up in Mem
Lavine in either Sac, Det or SA

[Chi town]

Could see Zach to Hornets for space and Mark Williams if Clingan falls to 6. Melo Zach Miller Bridges Clingan. They were interested last year.

We gotta let DDR walk.
Gotta move Vuc and replace with a defensive C.

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team. How does letting Demar leave help? Sure they weren’t a playoff team with him the last couple of years but he was by far the best player. How do you replace his productivity AND get better ?

If they had an answer for that I’m all for it but until then Demar should return and I still think he will. I’m pretty sure the Bulls are just trying to lower his price a bit but in the end they will find common ground and he will resign.

If anyone thinks DDR and Giddey will win together they are crazy.

DDR is aging. His efficiency numbers dropped big time last year. That will only continue. You will be getting a worse DDR not better.

There is virtually no scenario where you bring back DDR and get more wins. Especially with Giddey and Caruso now gone.

[amcfad27]

Wiggins Payton Looney for Zach which is gross but moves him. DDR walks resign Pat. It sucks but is actually realistic

Coby
Giddey
Wiggins
Pat
Vuc

Carter
Ayo
GP/Terry
Craig
Looney

Not really counting on Lonzo or 11

[Red8911]

Could see Zach to Hornets for space and Mark Williams if Clingan falls to 6. Melo Zach Miller Bridges Clingan. They were interested last year.

We gotta let DDR walk.
Gotta move Vuc and replace with a defensive C.

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team. How does letting Demar leave help? Sure they weren’t a playoff team with him the last couple of years but he was by far the best player. How do you replace his productivity AND get better ?

If they had an answer for that I’m all for it but until then Demar should return and I still think he will. I’m pretty sure the Bulls are just trying to lower his price a bit but in the end they will find common ground and he will resign.

If anyone thinks DDR and Giddey will win together they are crazy.

DDR is aging. His efficiency numbers dropped big time last year. That will only continue. You will be getting a worse DDR not better.

There is virtually no scenario where you bring back DDR and get more wins. Especially with Giddey and Caruso now gone.

Are you kidding right now ? Who’s going to get you more wins if you let go of Demar ? Zach Lavine ? Lol.

Demar despite his age has been by far the best bulls player. Zach should be ashamed of himself for not taking another step, even Coby has passed him.

If the plan is to be in last place then Zach is the perfect choice as the #1 option on this team.

[Muzbar]

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team. How does letting Demar leave help? Sure they weren’t a playoff team with him the last couple of years but he was by far the best player. How do you replace his productivity AND get better ?

If they had an answer for that I’m all for it but until then Demar should return and I still think he will. I’m pretty sure the Bulls are just trying to lower his price a bit but in the end they will find common ground and he will resign.

If anyone thinks DDR and Giddey will win together they are crazy.

DDR is aging. His efficiency numbers dropped big time last year. That will only continue. You will be getting a worse DDR not better.

There is virtually no scenario where you bring back DDR and get more wins. Especially with Giddey and Caruso now gone.

Are you kidding right now ? Who’s going to get you more wins if you let go of Demar ? Zach Lavine ? Lol.

Demar despite his age has been by far the best bulls player. Zach should be ashamed of himself for not taking another step, even Coby has passed him.

If the plan is to be in last place then Zach is the perfect choice as the #1 option on this team.

You don't see how 2 non-shooting threats (3 if you count Vucevic) in the starting line-up would be terrible offensively? Why not start Dalen Terry whilst we're at it?

Not to mention having DeMar would take the ball out of Giddeys hands on offense. It would be OKC and Shai all over again.

The Bulls would be stupid to bring DeRozan back, which is why I fully expect it to happen.

[MGB8]

Could see Zach to Hornets for space and Mark Williams if Clingan falls to 6. Melo Zach Miller Bridges Clingan. They were interested last year.

We gotta let DDR walk.
Gotta move Vuc and replace with a defensive C.

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team. How does letting Demar leave help? Sure they weren’t a playoff team with him the last couple of years but he was by far the best player. How do you replace his productivity AND get better ?

If they had an answer for that I’m all for it but until then Demar should return and I still think he will. I’m pretty sure the Bulls are just trying to lower his price a bit but in the end they will find common ground and he will resign.

The Bulls would prefer to trade LaVine and keep DDR. But it doesn’t matter - I’d put it at 90% that DDR is gone.

Reports about Sactown and LaVine are that they would be interested…. So long as the Bulls attached assets. Not going to happen from a Bulls team that is precious thin on assets, not to mention that would be AKME admitting a huge error.

Ditto Philly…. Were interested in LaVine… if he came with Caruso. Detroit is looking to parlay cap space into future assets. So is Utah.

Bottom line - no market for LaVine. And if the Bulls can’t move LaVine for space, they can’t resign both Pat and DDR (while staying under the lux tax, a pretty clear mandate by ownership). Really, given the reports about what DDR wants, they can’t even just keep him unless they are able to get cap relief from LaVine’s deal first (which is not happening).

So say your goodbyes - DDR is very likely moving on, while LaVine is likely here for at least the start of the season.

[DuckIII]

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team.

That premise is much less certain than it was a few days ago. Embrace the suck, Red. Give in to the losses and rejoice.

[Dez]

I still don't see how people think the Bulls are bringing back DeRozan after the Giddey trade?

[CROBulls]

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team.

That premise is much less certain than it was a few days ago. Embrace the suck, Red. Give in to the losses and rejoice.

Nope. Dont do it. Because this ownership will not commit to tanking properly. Just stop going to games, watch games or read Bulls articles which are paid by Bulls ownership. Make Jerry hurt where it hurts most for him. Money.

[DuckIII]

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team.

That premise is much less certain than it was a few days ago. Embrace the suck, Red. Give in to the losses and rejoice.

Nope. Dont do it. Because this ownership will not commit to tanking properly. Just stop going to games, watch games or read Bulls articles which are paid by Bulls ownership. Make Jerry hurt where it hurts most for him. Money.

Yeah we aren’t tanking. If we were Caruso would have been dealt for picks instead of Giddey who will promptly require and extension. But we are rebuilding (right? please?) which probably means more losing for a bit.

[Jcool0]

Could see Zach to Hornets for space and Mark Williams if Clingan falls to 6. Melo Zach Miller Bridges Clingan. They were interested last year.

We gotta let DDR walk.
Gotta move Vuc and replace with a defensive C.

Bulls want to win and be a playoff team. How does letting Demar leave help? Sure they weren’t a playoff team with him the last couple of years but he was by far the best player. How do you replace his productivity AND get better ?

If they had an answer for that I’m all for it but until then Demar should return and I still think he will. I’m pretty sure the Bulls are just trying to lower his price a bit but in the end they will find common ground and he will resign.

We know historically Bulls want that playoff $$$. They did just trade a more playoff ready guy for someone we don't know yet. Maybe they are looking for a rebuild this off season.

[Guru]

Saw a video where KC said bulls may try to mend Zach fences because of his great fit with Giddey. He does fit well with Giddey. That would be great. If that was a real possibility I'd go Salaun at 11. Maybe Holland.

[DuckIII]

Saw a video where KC said bulls may try to mend Zach fences because of his great fit with Giddey. He does fit well with Giddey. That would be great. If that was a real possibility I'd go Salaun at 11. Maybe Holland.

I prefer a more full youth movement and rebuild but this is a very easy report to believe. Zach is a better fit with Giddey and by going Giddey instead of draft picks it shows the Bulls aren’t interested in tanking.

[RedBulls23]

Saw a video where KC said bulls may try to mend Zach fences because of his great fit with Giddey. He does fit well with Giddey. That would be great. If that was a real possibility I'd go Salaun at 11. Maybe Holland.

I prefer a more full youth movement and rebuild but this is a very easy report to believe. Zach is a better fit with Giddey and by going Giddey instead of draft picks it shows the Bulls aren’t interested in tanking.

I took what KC said basically as the Bulls telling KC that he needs to sell Bulls fans on the fact that they can't trade Zach right now because teams aren't interested in trading for him without getting some assets for taking on his contract.

I still think Bulls would much rather prefer to trade Zach, but they won't do it when they have to give up additional value for him.

[Red8911]

That premise is much less certain than it was a few days ago. Embrace the suck, Red. Give in to the losses and rejoice.

Nope. Dont do it. Because this ownership will not commit to tanking properly. Just stop going to games, watch games or read Bulls articles which are paid by Bulls ownership. Make Jerry hurt where it hurts most for him. Money.

Yeah we aren’t tanking. If we were Caruso would have been dealt for picks instead of Giddey who will promptly require and extension. But we are rebuilding (right? please?) which probably means more losing for a bit.

Retool, rebuild, whatever. They are making changes to the roster and still want to win.

[jnrjr79]

Saw a video where KC said bulls may try to mend Zach fences because of his great fit with Giddey. He does fit well with Giddey. That would be great. If that was a real possibility I'd go Salaun at 11. Maybe Holland.

I prefer a more full youth movement and rebuild but this is a very easy report to believe. Zach is a better fit with Giddey and by going Giddey instead of draft picks it shows the Bulls aren’t interested in tanking.

I took what KC said basically as the Bulls telling KC that he needs to sell Bulls fans on the fact that they can't trade Zach right now because teams aren't interested in trading for him without getting some assets for taking on his contract.

I still think Bulls would much rather prefer to trade Zach, but they won't do it when they have to give up additional value for him.

I took it the same way. He was clear both the Bulls and Zach want to move on, but this seemed like a "if the Bulls have to attach an asset to him to move him, they could just keep him until the deadline" kind of thing.

[MGB8]

That is pretty consistent with the other things that are being reported, what appears to be happening / not happening (e.g., DDR negotiations) and what we know about AKME.

And I don’t doubt that, if suddenly things look great with Giddey, the Bulls and Zach might ultimately re-evaluate whether or not to try to “mutually uncouple” later on in the season. But for right now, probably just reflecting the reality that there doesn’t look like there is a decent (non asset attaching, salary freeing up) LaVine trade to be had right now.

[MrSparkle]

Saw a video where KC said bulls may try to mend Zach fences because of his great fit with Giddey. He does fit well with Giddey. That would be great. If that was a real possibility I'd go Salaun at 11. Maybe Holland.

I prefer a more full youth movement and rebuild but this is a very easy report to believe. Zach is a better fit with Giddey and by going Giddey instead of draft picks it shows the Bulls aren’t interested in tanking.

I took what KC said basically as the Bulls telling KC that he needs to sell Bulls fans on the fact that they can't trade Zach right now because teams aren't interested in trading for him without getting some assets for taking on his contract.

I still think Bulls would much rather prefer to trade Zach, but they won't do it when they have to give up additional value for him.

FWIW, KC is hardly a mouthpiece for the Bulls FO. Maybe Reinsdorf. But he's been passive aggressively jabbing Arturas for the last 2 years, along with Schanowski and the rest of the Comcast crew.

I think the straight truth is that Zach Lavine buying in and becoming a less egotistical player ("give me the ball and let me cook while I take a break on defense") would be way more valuable to the Bulls, Zach, Chicago, Billy Donovan... everybody in the organization... than dumping him for somebody's piss.

OTOH, Zach getting traded for nothing would be very beneficial for the team that gets him, and maybe him. Unless it's Detroit or another losing place where he's not primary ball handler. But IMO Klutch and he have been angling for a California trade, and it's not that hard to read between the lines. The worse the narrative (another surgery, quitting on coach, bad numbers), the easier to get him for D'Lo and Gabe Vincent.

For the repeat record, I've disliked Zach since the Jimmy trade. But he improved quite a bit during the 21-23 stretch. I do believe he has a chronic injury problem. But it's partially his IQ/awareness/skills are so poor, kind of like D-Rose (until he adjusted back in MIN/NYK), when he doesn't have his first-step or athletic confidence, it's like there's very little to contribute with the ball in his hands despite that being his strong-suit. Nevermind the defense (which may or may not be a valid issue; I stand by my theory that anybody with an ACL surgery can't defend as well, later in their career - Lowry being the only exception I could think of, who had it as a college freshman and recovered really fast... I guess Isaac and Kawhi are both huge guys who can defend well, albeit former DPOY-caliber players who now are lucky to play 50 games in a season. In Isaac's case, averaging 15 mpg?)

All that said, he's still worth a shot as a 3rd option, with a playmaker and rim protector. Pairing him with Vuc and Demar, and having no Lonzo/PG replacement was a mistake.

If they keep Zach, Vuc must either go to the bench or get sent out too. Giddey and Zach would need a defensive C (Clingan).