Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 6.0

[Skybox]

It’s more turnover than I’d expect, but I’ve settled in on being quite happy if we could pull off the following moves:

TRADE: Cole + #18 for Brogdon + future lottery protected FRP

SIGN: Klay + Goga

SIGN & TRADE: WCJ for Hartenstein

Hartenstein/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That would be some quality upgrades and preserve flexibility into next offseason in case a too good to miss opportunity arises.

I like the final product...but how does the SnT work? are you presuming Hartenstein would insist on being sent to ORL? NY is capped at what they can offer him and they clearly want him back...so, I'd think the only way to get him is as a UFA signing for more than NY can offer. I think he's good, perhaps a better fit than WCJ, but not really that big a move for us, Imo.

I'm under the impression Hartenstein wants to stay in NY...I think his wife is involved in fashion industry or something and he's obviously done well there...and a bigger payday would be the only logical reason to leave.

[JRoy]

It’s more turnover than I’d expect, but I’ve settled in on being quite happy if we could pull off the following moves:

TRADE: Cole + #18 for Brogdon + future lottery protected FRP

SIGN: Klay + Goga

SIGN & TRADE: WCJ for Hartenstein

Hartenstein/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That would be some quality upgrades and preserve flexibility into next offseason in case a too good to miss opportunity arises.

POR is not sending out a FRP to downgrade to Anthony.

[VFX]

Why do people plug AB into SF minutes? Is it so everything works conveniently in proposed lineups?

[basketballRob]

It’s more turnover than I’d expect, but I’ve settled in on being quite happy if we could pull off the following moves:

TRADE: Cole + #18 for Brogdon + future lottery protected FRP

SIGN: Klay + Goga

SIGN & TRADE: WCJ for Hartenstein

Hartenstein/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That would be some quality upgrades and preserve flexibility into next offseason in case a too good to miss opportunity arises.

POR is not sending out a FRP to downgrade to Anthony.

Orlando would also be taking on some salary.

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[three3d]

Why do people plug AB into SF minutes? Is it so everything works conveniently in proposed lineups?

In all honesty we really haven’t seen AB play point guard and he’s not really a shooting guard. I have some serious questions about his handles, like seriously I’ve never seen him shake a defender or cross anyone up. Does he even have handles?

[RookieStar]

Our team has been mentioned with so many trades and FA.

Players really like using us to drive their value up huh? lol

[Knightro]

Why do people plug AB into SF minutes? Is it so everything works conveniently in proposed lineups?

He basically played SG/SF exclusively last year when he was in the rotation.

His on ball point guard reps were very minimal outside of garbage time.

[OrlandoMagic]

I say getting starting level PG and a replacement for Harris would be a good start. There are glaring holes on our team besides getting more forwards.

Honestly I would love for us to try a lineup of Suggs and Franz at the guard positions

Franz isnt a SG, why dont people get this?

Never said he was. Just said I would like to try it out. Same thing happened when Rashard came to Orlando. He wasn’t a PF but we made him one and went well. I’m always about experimenting with what we have first

[RichCollab]

Why do people plug AB into SF minutes? Is it so everything works conveniently in proposed lineups?

He basically played SG/SF exclusively last year when he was in the rotation.

His on ball point guard reps were very minimal outside of garbage time.

Black can guard effectively PG - SF at a high level. Can guard PF in a pinch.

You can play him as a guard or forward. Positionless basketball. We aren’t a team built on tradition roles why try to shoe horn players into that role paradigm?

[Blue_and_Whte]

Why do people plug AB into SF minutes? Is it so everything works conveniently in proposed lineups?

He basically played SG/SF exclusively last year when he was in the rotation.

His on ball point guard reps were very minimal outside of garbage time.

Speaking of AB reminded me of a video about his defense Josh Cohen out out there.

Watch on YouTube

Anyway I’m legitimately concerned that he’s a slightly better version of old Orlando MCW. His handles are average, he can pass but its not anything special in that regard. But I also understand he didn’t get consistent minutes in his rookie year which can be really difficult when trying be to get into a rhythm. So we’ll see.

[Bensational]

Why do people plug AB into SF minutes? Is it so everything works conveniently in proposed lineups?

Yeah you could move Houstan/Jett to SF, Black to PG and Brogdon to SG. I put Brogdon at PG because he’s there to address PG weaknesses. Black can still run point from the 3, or the 1 if that’s the lineup he ends up in.

[Bensational]

TRADE: Cole + #18 for Brogdon + future lottery protected FRP

POR is not sending out a FRP to downgrade to Anthony.

It’s not a deal breaker for me. I’d still make the move.

[Bensational]

I like the final product...but how does the SnT work? are you presuming Hartenstein would insist on being sent to ORL? NY is capped at what they can offer him and they clearly want him back...so, I'd think the only way to get him is as a UFA signing for more than NY can offer. I think he's good, perhaps a better fit than WCJ, but not really that big a move for us, Imo.

I'm under the impression Hartenstein wants to stay in NY...I think his wife is involved in fashion industry or something and he's obviously done well there...and a bigger payday would be the only logical reason to leave.

I’d chase Hartenstein in FA if we had the space after signing Klay, but then we’d have a glut with WCJ and have to move him. So I figured s&t to balance that out naturally.

I like Hartenstein as a stronger defensive anchor with the starters, and stronger presence on the offensive glass. Not sure he’s the guy to make the PnR game easy-mode for Paolo/Franz/Suggs, but he can set screens and rebound.

[Rainwater]

It’s more turnover than I’d expect, but I’ve settled in on being quite happy if we could pull off the following moves:

TRADE: Cole + #18 for Brogdon + future lottery protected FRP

SIGN: Klay + Goga

SIGN & TRADE: WCJ for Hartenstein

Hartenstein/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That would be some quality upgrades and preserve flexibility into next offseason in case a too good to miss opportunity arises.

POR is not sending out a FRP to downgrade to Anthony.

Orlando would also be taking on some salary.

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Yeah, but Portland is rebuilding they aren’t giving up assets for Cole. You don’t add the first and it’s a good deal.

[JRoy]

POR is not sending out a FRP to downgrade to Anthony.

Orlando would also be taking on some salary.

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Yeah, but Portland is rebuilding they aren’t giving up an assets for Cole. You don’t add the first and it’s a good deal.

As long as Anthony is routed elsewhere that works for me.

[JRoy]

It’s more turnover than I’d expect, but I’ve settled in on being quite happy if we could pull off the following moves:

TRADE: Cole + #18 for Brogdon + future lottery protected FRP

SIGN: Klay + Goga

SIGN & TRADE: WCJ for Hartenstein

Hartenstein/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That would be some quality upgrades and preserve flexibility into next offseason in case a too good to miss opportunity arises.

POR is not sending out a FRP to downgrade to Anthony.

Orlando would also be taking on some salary.

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A rebuilding team has no business sending a pick for a scrub like Anthony.

[orlando_joe]

POR is not sending out a FRP to downgrade to Anthony.

Orlando would also be taking on some salary.

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A rebuilding team has no business sending a pick for a scrub like Anthony.

magic have no business using 23 mill in cap space and a first rd pick for 1 yr on old injury prone player
i just do not see deal with portland ..week or so away we will see what portland gets and takes back for simons and brogdon...
or not,if price is whats on the boards ...but my bet is on the under 2 first for simons and a first for brogdon ..with out taking back any money
and not better then 18th pick

[JRoy]

Orlando would also be taking on some salary.

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A rebuilding team has no business sending a pick for a scrub like Anthony.

magic have no business using 23 mill in cap space and a first rd pick for 1 yr on old injury prone player
i just do not see deal with portland ..week or so away we will see what portland gets and takes back for simons and brogdon...
or not,if price is whats on the boards ...but my bet is on the under 2 first for simons and a first for brogdon ..with out taking back any money
and not better then 18th pick

I figure Brogdon as a late FRP at best from a contender and or more likely multiple SRP and flawed young guys.

Simons shouldn’t draw primo assets as he isn’t one himself. Other team absorbing salary, sending a pick and a lesser player gets it done.

[Knightro]

I figure Brogdon as a late FRP at best from a contender and or more likely multiple SRP and flawed young guys.

Simons shouldn’t draw primo assets as he isn’t one himself. Other team absorbing salary, sending a pick and a lesser player gets it done.

You think one pick would get it done for Simons? Because if so...

[eyriq]

Just to clear up misconceptions about what position AB plays.

B-R play by play data:
PG: 68%, SG: 30%, SF: 2%

Top 5 AB lineups:
AB/Suggs/Franz/Paolo/Goga
AB/Cole/Ingles/JI/Moe
AB/Suggs/Franz/Paolo/WCJ
AB/Harris/Franz/Paolo/Goga
AB/Harris/Franz/Paolo/WCJ

It's a misconception that he isn't a PG and didn't play the position as a rookie. He was the top NCAA PG prospect in his draft, was drafted to replace Fultz, Orlando's starting PG at the time, and played the position as a rookie.

Our playmakers were Franz and Paolo, that was the offense. It is what it is, and it seems to confuse people about what position AB plays. I hope this straightforward argument helps.