Knicks get PG w/Randle

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, just pay a third team to take on a couple of bench guys. Or trade 24+25 for a protected 2025 first as part of the trade..

Or you could trade Bojan for a 8-10 million dollar player and be fine with the matching part.. Feels the best way to go about it to me.

LAC should do this if PG is leaving, seems good value.

[TheNewEra]

This does nothing for the clippers unless a good amount of picks are coming back to LAC. Why would they want Mitchell and Randle to retool and not get any long term valuable assets?

Because they have Kawhi(and hopefully Harden) and have pick debts and so it makes sense to be good. And Randle and Mitchell are both good basketball players.

And remember PG controls his destiny so if he says work with me on New York and you get good pieces back or I sign with team X in free agency and you get nothing, I'd expect the Clippers to choose the good players. Wouldn't you?

And opening a new arena in a town where they are second fiddle. Makes sense to be relevant

fan morale is at the absolute worse right now and that’s with Harden/Westbrook/George/Leonard all being on the team. Clippers have not made it out of the first round in 3 seasons and already have an aging and injury prone roster. A team that barely held homecourt in the first round with all of the stars playing more games than they have had in years and looking completely worn out for the first round or not healthy.

No. Unless this move comes with picks the last thing the clippers need to do is trade for more low upside players that are both coming off of injuries. What Kawhi wants means nothing he needs to play to up his value so he can be traded.

[ejftw]

Would need to find a third team to immediately flip Robinson for something useful as Clips are going to roll with Zu and probably keep Theis or Plumlee for better or worse.

Still would prefer what Kings fans have posted to this

[islandboy53]

This hardcaps knicks at the 1st apron btw. that might be an issue if they want to bring back IH and OG

By all reports, NY is extremely confident of bringing them both back. They can make some moves to stay under the 1st apron, the easiest being letting Bojan go. It seems like a better plan to avoid that hard cap and have more flexibility. That means sending out more salary than they bring back, which means involving a 3rd team. Here's an example.

New York out - Randle, Bojan, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 25 Bkn 2nd
New York in - George, cash (via Tor)

LAC out - George, cash
LAC in - Randle, Boucher, McDaniels, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st

Toronto out - Boucher, McDaniels, cash
Toronto in - Bojan, 25 Bkn 2nd, cash (via LAC)

The Knicks get George for Randle, Bojan and picks, while avoiding the 1st apron. They are hard capped at the 2nd apron, but that shouldn't be a problem. The Clippers get Randle and 2 firsts plus Boucher, who will provide useful depth at PF/C. McDaniels is filler to make the deal work, but both he and Boucher are expiring, and either can be attached to a pick to potentially acquire a more useful player. The Raptors get a 2nd for Boucher and taking on Bojan.

[TheNewEra]

This hardcaps knicks at the 1st apron btw. that might be an issue if they want to bring back IH and OG

By all reports, NY is extremely confident of bringing them both back. They can make some moves to stay under the 1st apron, the easiest being letting Bojan go. It seems like a better plan to avoid that hard cap and have more flexibility. That means sending out more salary than they bring back, which means involving a 3rd team. Here's an example.

New York out - Randle, Bojan, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st, 25 Bkn 2nd
New York in - George, cash (via Tor)

LAC out - George, cash
LAC in - Randle, Boucher, McDaniels, 25 Mil 1st, 26 NY 1st

Toronto out - Boucher, McDaniels, cash
Toronto in - Bojan, 25 Bkn 2nd, cash (via LAC)

The Knicks get George for Randle, Bojan and picks, while avoiding the 1st apron. They are hard capped at the 2nd apron, but that shouldn't be a problem. The Clippers get Randle and 2 firsts plus Boucher, who will provide useful depth at PF/C. McDaniels is filler to make the deal work, but both he and Boucher are expiring, and either can be attached to a pick to potentially acquire a more useful player. The Raptors get a 2nd for Boucher and taking on Bojan.

this at least gets something in the war chest so I’m good with it and hope to flip Randle and Leonard along with other players later.

[jredsaz]

This does nothing for the clippers unless a good amount of picks are coming back to LAC. Why would they want Mitchell and Randle to retool and not get any long term valuable assets?

Because they have Kawhi(and hopefully Harden) and have pick debts and so it makes sense to be good. And Randle and Mitchell are both good basketball players.

And remember PG controls his destiny so if he says work with me on New York and you get good pieces back or I sign with team X in free agency and you get nothing, I'd expect the Clippers to choose the good players. Wouldn't you?

then he walks for nothing and take the flexibility moves down the road. I’m not locked in even bringing Harden back because the deal he wants keeps us locked in a mediocre road with no upside. Beside those two the clippers only have 2 big contracts going past next season in Powell and Leonard. Next move would be to move Powell to a team for expiring and a pick (maybe orlando) and make moves around the edges to eliminate the 2nd apron and repeated tax stuff. Move some players around of other teams picks and hope you get some breakout players.

I don’t think that’s a viable rout given the contract Kawhi just signed. Harden, Mann, Kawhi, Randle, Zu, Powell, Bones and Russ is quality plus whatever you can get for Mitchell if he isn’t a fit. Hopefully he dili era a little draft capital for an in season move.

Clips aren’t walking into the new arena without championship aspirations. Plus that flexibility you’re talking about starts in the summer of 25 with an expiring Randle.

[jredsaz]

The way around this is a 3rd team that takes salary from the Knicks allowing them to cobble together slightly over PG's money while the Clippers take slightly less.

I think we are going to see some 3rd team in deals taking on some smaller contracts for assets to grease some deals to prevent issues like this. Makes it a bit more complicated and definitely tougher on this board because so many posters are so adamant about what their team will or won't do.

But remember even good teams sometimes take on bad salary to get assets. OKC and Dallas both did it on draft night last year for instance. So its never as cut and dry as we sometimes want to make it.

Does Dallas have interest in a Bogdonovic for Tim Hardaway Jr swap to complete this deal (Powell might need to be included here but NY can absorb him into a TPE).

NYK: Paul George, Dwight Powell
LAC: Julius Randle, Tim Hardaway Jr
DAL: Bojan Bogdonovic

Bogdonovic is an upgrade for Dallas, LAC gets a younger potentially cheaper player, NY gets a talent upgrade.

Right? Bojan is still a useful player. I don’t think it will be overly difficult for the Knicks to avoid the hard cap in a PG scenario. Even if the Knicks ditch on of their protected firsts to make it happen.

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[Knickfan1982]

This does nothing for the clippers unless a good amount of picks are coming back to LAC. Why would they want Mitchell and Randle to retool and not get any long term valuable assets?

Because they have Kawhi(and hopefully Harden) and have pick debts and so it makes sense to be good. And Randle and Mitchell are both good basketball players.

And remember PG controls his destiny so if he says work with me on New York and you get good pieces back or I sign with team X in free agency and you get nothing, I'd expect the Clippers to choose the good players. Wouldn't you?

then he walks for nothing and take the flexibility moves down the road. I’m not locked in even bringing Harden back because the deal he wants keeps us locked in a mediocre road with no upside. Beside those two the clippers only have 2 big contracts going past next season in Powell and Leonard. Next move would be to move Powell to a team for expiring and a pick (maybe orlando) and make moves around the edges to eliminate the 2nd apron and repeated tax stuff. Move some players around of other teams picks and hope you get some breakout players.

Technically this deal doesn't really hurt that. Randle is likely to turn down his player option after this season and Mitch Robinson will only cost 13 million the year after.

[OGSactownballer]

This does nothing for the clippers unless a good amount of picks are coming back to LAC. Why would they want Mitchell and Randle to retool and not get any long term valuable assets?

Because they have Kawhi(and hopefully Harden) and have pick debts and so it makes sense to be good. And Randle and Mitchell are both good basketball players.

And remember PG controls his destiny so if he says work with me on New York and you get good pieces back or I sign with team X in free agency and you get nothing, I'd expect the Clippers to choose the good players. Wouldn't you?

then he walks for nothing and take the flexibility moves down the road. I’m not locked in even bringing Harden back because the deal he wants keeps us locked in a mediocre road with no upside. Beside those two the clippers only have 2 big contracts going past next season in Powell and Leonard. Next move would be to move Powell to a team for expiring and a pick (maybe orlando) and make moves around the edges to eliminate the 2nd apron and repeated tax stuff. Move some players around of other teams picks and hope you get some breakout players.

Talk about the true path to mediocrity.

Seriously you are advocating dumping everything of value to get the money down below the second apron and hope you hit on some young guys? Meanwhile you have years of picks going out.

This makes zero sense.

[TheNewEra]

Because they have Kawhi(and hopefully Harden) and have pick debts and so it makes sense to be good. And Randle and Mitchell are both good basketball players.

And remember PG controls his destiny so if he says work with me on New York and you get good pieces back or I sign with team X in free agency and you get nothing, I'd expect the Clippers to choose the good players. Wouldn't you?

then he walks for nothing and take the flexibility moves down the road. I’m not locked in even bringing Harden back because the deal he wants keeps us locked in a mediocre road with no upside. Beside those two the clippers only have 2 big contracts going past next season in Powell and Leonard. Next move would be to move Powell to a team for expiring and a pick (maybe orlando) and make moves around the edges to eliminate the 2nd apron and repeated tax stuff. Move some players around of other teams picks and hope you get some breakout players.

Talk about the true path to mediocrity.

Seriously you are advocating dumping everything of value to get the money down below the second apron and hope you hit on some young guys? Meanwhile you have years of picks going out.

This makes zero sense.

it’s about not reinvesting into an aging and failed project again just for the sake of casual fans and a new arena. Been 5 years and i’m sure if the clippers could they would have held off on Kawhi’s extension knowing his knee would go out again. Those picks are going out rather the clippers are a playin team or a repeated 1st round exit.

Treadmill a team just because you don’t own your picks is backwards. A team should be looking to lay the ground work establishing trade assets with picks from other teams and creating a cap flexible roster.

[dakomish23]

It's a shame we didn't get to see what this Knicks team at full strength would have looked like in the playoffs. Would make the decisions moving forward so much easier.