What do you guys think is a fair offer for Johan Santana?

[sunshinekids99]

Cabrera could play third and left for sure. I don't think it's a reach for him to become a first baseman either.


As for Santana it now appears that Ellsbury is on the table. As good as Santana is, I'm passing if I have to included Ellsbury.

[CITYOFANGELSX3]

Hey guys, dodger fan here.

I really hope the red sox get Santana. Just the thought of a beckett/santana combo is insane!

I hate the yankees with a passion, i really dont wanna see them get anyone.

So good luck!

[HeelSox]

Cabrera came up as a LF but was then moved to third...his body has changed much since then but reports say he's trying to get in shape.

[Chach]

I believe Manuel Aristides Ram

[GregB]

I could only see us getting Cabrera. If we ended up trading Manny. Not very likely though.

[DynastyInTheMaking]

If we have to give up Ellsbury then no deal. He is out centerfielder. We can certainly find another taker for Coco if this deal doesnt go through and if not, it's not like he breaks our bank as a 4th outfielder. Keep in mind we are pretty deep in young pitching, not just the 3 or 4 guys being mentioned, so training for a stud is not ill advised.

In other words, I would do Buckholz, Leslter, Lowrie for Santana

Perhaps expanding the deal with Bard/Bowden and Neshek.

[daddyfivestar]

I don't get it.

Santana + Crisp >>>>>>>>> Lester + Ellsbury.

It's not even close. Look at it another way.

Beckett/Santana/Schilling/Dice in a 7 game series. With Buchholz and Wakefield in support. Over.

Lineup: Still have 8 good hitters. Manny, Ortiz, Lowell, Varitek, Drew, Youk, Pedroia, Lugo (I know you dog him but he did have 73 rbis,33 steals and 36 dbls. Well above avg #s for SS). Crisp, even for his D and hitting in the 9 hole is easily acceptable if Santana is the option.
Don't even start with Lugo and the errors. Hell, Jeter only had 1 fewer. 8 starting SS had as many or more than Lugo.

Santana+Crisp is guaranteed WS.

I can't believe this is even an option for Epstein.

[GS Warriors 1]

According to Yahoo! the deal looks like this:

Boston - Santana
Minnesota - Lester, Crisp, Masterson, and a minor leaguer

[fdefore]

from wiretap...

Red Sox Closing In On Santana
4th December, 2007 - 3:14 am
Minneapolis Star Tribune - With the New York Yankees seemingly out of the running, the Boston Red Sox are closing in on a trade to acquire the two-time Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana from the Minnesota Twins.

Early Tuesday morning, the Boston Globe reported that the Red Sox and Twins were exchanging medical information on Santana and Boston pitcher Jon Lester.

Late Monday, a Red Sox source told the Star Tribune that the Twins asked for outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury, Lester and shortstop Jed Lowry. The Red Sox have apparently been unwilling to include both Ellsbury and Lester for Santana.

If and when a deal is consummated, the Twins would grant the acquiring club a 72-hour window to discuss a contract extension with Santana. The ace lefty is thought to be seeking at least $25 million a year.

losing ellsbury would make me nervous. i like lester's potential a lot but i'm comfortable trading him.

[daddyfivestar]

The Twins do have 2 top cf prospects so if they cave in on Ells and take the Crisp packg, that 4th player better be Lars Andersen or they get robbed.

Edit- by Crisp I mean holding down the spot for 2 yrs until the prosp are ready.

[DynastyInTheMaking]

The Twins do have 2 top cf prospects so if they cave in on Ells and take the Crisp packg, that 4th player better be Lars Andersen or they get robbed.

Edit- by Crisp I mean holding down the spot for 2 yrs until the prosp are ready.

The 4th player would be Lowrie who would compete to be their second basemen next year.

[GregB]

While getting Santana would be nice. Being able to watch yankee fans bitch about how the twins took our " inferior" package would make it even better.

[Chach]

There seems to be two deals on the table, one is Lester/Coco/Lowrie/Masterson. The other centers around Ellsbury and the rumor is Ellsbury/Lowrie/Masterson although my gut is telling me the Sox subbed Bowden for Masterson because the Twins really like Masterson. So now they are struggling with which deal to take. They LOVE Ellsbury but I guess they really like Lester as well. If they take the Ellsbury deal, they get a premiere force in CF but are left without any long term SP help. I like Masterson as a starter but I'm hearing one of the reasons the Twins like him is because of his set-up man potential so he may end up in the pen. So the Lester deal gives them a SP today AND a lot of minor league depth and fills CF. More holes are filled with that deal. I really like Ellsbury so I hope they take the depth deal. Something just doesn't make sense in my head to have the same deal but to pull Lester and Coco and sub in Ellsbury because if the Twins really love him as much as they seem to, that deal is a no brainer. So they had to have weakened the tail end of the deal, meaning subbing in Bowden for Masterson. I can't see Theo leaving the decision to be made entirely by the Twins, he has to be trying to force them in one direction. mahalo
~Chach~

[GregB]

There seems to be two deals on the table, one is Lester/Coco/Lowrie/Masterson. The other centers around Ellsbury and the rumor is Ellsbury/Lowrie/Masterson although my gut is telling me the Sox subbed Bowden for Masterson because the Twins really like Masterson. So now they are struggling with which deal to take. They LOVE Ellsbury but I guess they really like Lester as well. If they take the Ellsbury deal, they get a premiere force in CF but are left without any long term SP help. I like Masterson as a starter but I'm hearing one of the reasons the Twins like him is because of his set-up man potential so he may end up in the pen. So the Lester deal gives them a SP today AND a lot of minor league depth and fills CF. More holes are filled with that deal. I really like Ellsbury so I hope they take the depth deal. Something just doesn't make sense in my head to have the same deal but to pull Lester and Coco and sub in Ellsbury because if the Twins really love him as much as they seem to, that deal is a no brainer. So they had to have weakened the tail end of the deal, meaning subbing in Bowden for Masterson. I can't see Theo leaving the decision to be made entirely by the Twins, he has to be trying to force them in one direction. mahalo
~Chach~

I hope they take the first deal as well. If we get Santana we really dont need Lester. Plus, Having Ellsbury as our lead off hitter really seemed to make the rest of our lineup that much better. I would be a little sad to see Lowrie go though. I was hoping he could possibly take Lugos job. But I would get over it once I see Santana in a red sox uniform.

[Markos]

I dont want to give up my binky (Lowrie)

--sucks thumb--

[Markos]

For the love of god don't give them LARS!!

[daddyfivestar]

Unfortunately for the Twins, the reason the love Ellsbury is because he fills two needs, CF and Leadoff bat.
If they had one or the other, the wouldn't need him as much.

They do have a strong minor league pitching system so that's why I think they are really torn. If they can just wait a few years for it all to develop... but then they're wasting the prime of Mauer/Morneau/Cuddyer.

They're in a pickle.

[Carpe Diem]

I agree that the Twins are torn on the two offers. I think they like the Lester package better because they need a starter. But I think they also love Ellsbury and think he could be something special. Should be interesting.

[celtsloyalty]

i love both ellsbury and lester. But either way Im goin to be happy with a trade where we're getting santana in return. I mean this guy's only 28 going on 29 years old. That's still fairly young for a starting pitcher and he hasn't shown any signs of slowing down. We're going to have the top starting rotation for a long time if we have becket, santana, dicek, and bucholz. I just can't believe it might actually be possible to pull off a santana trade without giving up bucholz. He's a fighter so he will probably prove me wrong, but from what I've seen I only predict Lester will be a career #4 maybe #3 in his prime pitcher.

[Basketball Jesus]

One thing I