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2024 Draft Thread - Part III

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#61 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:30 am

badinage wrote:Does it give anyone pause that Travis Schlenk is part of our evaluation team? I mean, yes, some success at G St. (where he was a contributor, not the decision-maker), and he took a chance and scored on Huerter, but he drafted Trae (over Luka!), drafted DeAndre Hunter, drafted Okongwu, etc., and the Hawks never realized their potential. Jalen Johnson is a nice piece — I think that was a Schlenk pick? — but it’s pretty uninspiring.

Yes, I know Dawkins is making the calls, but I’m just wondering. Just tossing it out there.

Most of these evaluators are NOT good. Presti is an anomaly. It’s highly unlikely Dawkins — for all his impressiveness — ends up being like Presti; it’s more likely he ends up being like Schlenk.

We have faith. Of course we do.

I like the Bilal pick, and the move up to get him. And I like the pick of Vukcevic. Both promising. Both pieces to build with.

But can someone give an anxious fan — as the draft approaches — some legit reasons to feel optimistic about Dawkins’s acumen or his process?

I'm not a big Travis Schlenk fan either. But, he's not calling the shots. OTOH, he did have success early. Meanwhile, we made what look like two good choices last year, although even in that case the team whiffed on TJ-D, tho... so did pretty much every team in the league!
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#62 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:40 am

The other thing about Edey is this -- if he pans out, he will dominate. I.e. the risk is there, but the payoff is so high that it makes it more rational to take on the odds.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#63 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:14 am

Going back and looking at what Sarr did in the NBL ... I'm really encouraged. He is advanced for his age defensively. Will only get better. I love the motor. The switchability is insane. Can actually handle 1 through 5. Maybe better on 1s than 5s atm. Once he gets stronger he has a chance to be special.

Offensively I like the willingness to shoot, and the versatility of shots he's taking which I think are good indicators for future success. He actually has a solid handle from what I can tell and can even bring it up but doesn't quite have the flexibility to be a creative slasher... but the face up potential is there once guys respect his jumper. I buy the Jaren Jackson Jr comparisons and also Evan Mobley post draft.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#64 » by doclinkin » Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:18 am



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Too slow. Not nimble. Can't hit a jumper. I dunno...

I still see the best player in the draft.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#65 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:41 am

Pretty crazy to watch Sarr with OTE. Unrefined skill set, poor feel, much smaller/weaker, totally different form on the jump shot. The physical tools are completely ridiculous though.



Fast forward a year. His feel and strength improved significantly, the jump shot looks much better. Playing in the NBL in a pro system was massive for his development.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#66 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Mon Jun 24, 2024 4:27 am

prime1time wrote:It looks like Sarr will be the pick. And in very interesting news, he doesn't want to be a 5. It'll be interesting to see how we use him if we draft him but basically, we're looking at a 7'1 wing. Ball handling, shooting, shot creation, play making, these will all be skills that Sarr will need to work on. I don't really have a comp for this so all I can say is if we draft him it will be a very interesting journey.



If we somehow were able to get Edey...
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#67 » by jangles86 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:30 am

Yeah I’m good with Sarr.

Physically probably the most gifted athlete that’s come into the wizards since John wall.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#68 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:52 am

prime1time wrote:It looks like Sarr will be the pick. And in very interesting news, he doesn't want to be a 5. It'll be interesting to see how we use him if we draft him but basically, we're looking at a 7'1 wing. Ball handling, shooting, shot creation, play making, these will all be skills that Sarr will need to work on. I don't really have a comp for this so all I can say is if we draft him it will be a very interesting journey.



Here's a good discussion about Sarr preferring the Wizards over Atlanta...

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#69 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:54 am

I'm kind of encouraged by the Sheppard slander !
Because of we can get another pick in the loto. There is a chance he might fall to us due to the hype of the more athletic prospects.

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Post#70 » by Pitbull » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:09 am

I genuinely believe speculation about Sarr not wanting to play in Atlanta is a big nothing-burger.. Have we not learned from the "Jayden Daniels doesn't want to be in Washington" narrative from a few months back?

Atlanta is playing it smart.. if they don't want Sarr, they may get another team to trade up to take him.

Whatever happens (and, for the record, I want Sarr or to somehow maneuver into a top 10 this year and top 15 pick either this year or next), I trust Dawkins and our front office more now than at any point in the last 40 years.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#71 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:44 am

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Too slow. Not nimble. Can't hit a jumper. I dunno...

I still see the best player in the draft.


Edey was draining those 3's with ease, trust and believe that there are multiple teams that have him circled on Wednesday night.
I can't wait to see how he defends quicker opponents and how he reacts on help defense, he appears lumbering, but his actual strides will help him close the distance. I wish we could get him, I wouldn't want to play against him...
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#72 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:16 pm

Don’t pencil Sarr into our lineup just yet, god I hope Risacher is not the backup plan, ATL is playing some chess here.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#73 » by DCZards » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:00 pm

Sarr was featured on ESPN last night and he sounds like an extremely bright and mature young man. Said he goes to his father’s homeland of Senegal every year and has learned a lot from that experience and culture.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#74 » by tontoz » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:06 pm

If Atlanta does take Sarr, which i doubt, someone will surely be willing to trade up to take Clingan.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#75 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:07 pm

Dat2U wrote:Going back and looking at what Sarr did in the NBL ... I'm really encouraged. He is advanced for his age defensively. Will only get better. I love the motor. The switchability is insane. Can actually handle 1 through 5. Maybe better on 1s than 5s atm. Once he gets stronger he has a chance to be special.

Offensively I like the willingness to shoot, and the versatility of shots he's taking which I think are good indicators for future success. He actually has a solid handle from what I can tell and can even bring it up but doesn't quite have the flexibility to be a creative slasher... but the face up potential is there once guys respect his jumper. I buy the Jaren Jackson Jr comparisons and also Evan Mobley post draft.

My biggest concern with Sarr is his hands. I think he will always be pretty mediocre as a roll man because he doesn't catch the ball all that well.

That won't be a problem if he ends up as a face-up 4-man or 5-man, but as you alluded to, his effectiveness there will depend on his jumper. He takes a lot of 3's, but doesn't make that many.

I agree that his on-ball defense in isolation is truly elite. I'm thinking he might pan out as more of a Jonathon Isaac rather than an Evan Mobley.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#76 » by dobrojim » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:16 pm

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Too slow. Not nimble. Can't hit a jumper. I dunno...

I still see the best player in the draft.


Not afraid to be bold. I like that. (I assume you were not being facetious)

In motorcycle racing (and other motor sports) there's a saying, there no replacement
for displacement. That Edny is huge is an indisputable fact. And he does have skills.
That kind of size brings to mind the old Wiz, actually Bullets fav Muresan who
had his uses, and limitations, but ultimately fell prey to injuries, possibly related to his extreme size.
Yao Ming also fell prey to injuries possibly related to his size. But I'm not a doctor
and have no idea how well Edny's body, particularly his feet, will hold up againsts
the rigors of an NBA career. There are C's in the league like Jonas Valanciunas or Brook
Lopez or even MVP Joker who will suddenly have to take a different approach against
someone as big as Edny. Of course Edny will be in new territory as well.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#77 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:19 pm

closg00 wrote:Don’t pencil Sarr into our lineup just yet, god I hope Risacher is not the backup plan, ATL is playing some chess here.


The better analogy is poker, not chess.

Atlanta really wants Washington to believe that they will draft Sarr at #1. Ideally for Atlanta, they extort Washington to make a big sacrifice to move up that one spot. At the very least, I'm sure they're pushing to grab our #26 pick. But the reason I say it's poker because I think they're bluffing. They don't really want Sarr. He is a bad fit for them because they need immediate help, not a project. And the fact that Sarr didn't even work out there speaks volumes. Not only does it suggest Sarr doesn't want to play there, but it also suggests that Atlanta couldn't even maintain the facade that they were truly interested in Sarr.

If I'm Washington, I would make no deal to move up prior to Atlanta actually making the pick. I would dare them to draft the guy they don't really want. My guess is that they would abandon their fake stance about Sarr and go ahead and draft Risacher, who provides immediate help to their roster and might also be a trade chip in a potential trade-down with San Antonio.

If Atlanta actually does draft Sarr, then and only then would I consider negotiations. But honestly, I don't think I'd give up the #26 pick. I'd offer them the #51 and maybe a future SRP (but not our good one from Detroit). If they don't accept, then I'd go ahead and draft BPA. I'm assuming our second option is in fact Risacher. Ultimately, I think Atlanta would agree to a swap after we pick and call it a win because they got they guy they wanted (Risacher) on a #2 pick rookie scale instead of a #1 pick rookie scale.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#78 » by pcbothwel » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:19 pm

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Too slow. Not nimble. Can't hit a jumper. I dunno...

I still see the best player in the draft.


In a draft like this, I ride with the basketball gods and forgo the big swing (Production vs Projection).
Trade down and take Sheppard, Edey, Holmes, and Simpson... NO Williams, NO Sarr, NO Holland, NO Buzelis (And I like Sarr and Buzelis).
Take elite production top to bottom and dare the BBall Gods to burn you.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#79 » by TGW » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:25 pm

Yea I'm also a fan of Edey, and hope whatever pick they get from trading Kuzma is used to draft him. Edey is a very hard worker, and I think that is his best asset. He's one of those first one in, last one out type of players. He may not pan out, but it won't be because of effort.
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