Warriors: Chris Paul non-guarantee trade token

[JMAC3]

The Warriors are probably flying under the radar right now with potentially one of the best trade assets in the NBA

CP3 owed 30 million (unguaranteed).
2024-25 non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/28/24

So correct me if I am wrong, but they can partially guarantee his contract anywhere from 3 million to the full 30 million to potentially match in a trade. Then the acquiring team can waive CP3 for whatever portion isn't guaranteed.

Example: Paul to the Hawks for Bogdanovic ($17,260,000).

So the Warriors can guarantee CP3 15 million, along with a first rounder.

Hawks then waive CP3 for the remainder of his contract, give them some room under tax moving forward and pick up a first in process.

CP3 makes 15 million, plus whatever he gets from Lakers, Clippers etc when he signs for the low low.

[Laimbeer]

What would make Paul's contract unique?

[JMAC3]

And they should be able to agree to push back the guarantee date.. because the alternative is CP3 is probably waived, which is bad for both parties. CP3 would likely make less money and it becomes increasingly hard for Warriors to add a big piece.

Especially if they are losing Klay.

[Scoot McGroot]

The Warriors are probably flying under the radar right now with potentially one of the best trade assets in the NBA

CP3 owed 30 million (unguaranteed).
2024-25 non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/28/24

So correct me if I am wrong, but they can partially guarantee his contract anywhere from 3 million to the full 30 million to potentially match in a trade. Then the acquiring team can waive CP3 for whatever portion isn't guaranteed.

Example: Paul to the Hawks for Bogdanovic ($17,260,000).

So the Warriors can guarantee CP3 15 million, along with a first rounder.

Hawks then waive CP3 for the remainder of his contract, give them some room under tax moving forward and pick up a first in process.

CP3 makes 15 million, plus whatever he gets from Lakers, Clippers etc when he signs for the low low.

The receiving team has to salary match the full $30m contract in return. So in that Bogs suggestion, ATL would have to send much more salary as Bogs can’t return a $30m contract. Then, CP3 has to be guaranteed more to match for Bogs and an additional Contract, and then you have to find that middle ground.

[JMAC3]

What would make Paul's contract unique?

Because he can be traded 1 for 1 with basically any player making 5 million to 35 million....

[JMAC3]

The Warriors are probably flying under the radar right now with potentially one of the best trade assets in the NBA

CP3 owed 30 million (unguaranteed).
2024-25 non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/28/24

So correct me if I am wrong, but they can partially guarantee his contract anywhere from 3 million to the full 30 million to potentially match in a trade. Then the acquiring team can waive CP3 for whatever portion isn't guaranteed.

Example: Paul to the Hawks for Bogdanovic ($17,260,000).

So the Warriors can guarantee CP3 15 million, along with a first rounder.

Hawks then waive CP3 for the remainder of his contract, give them some room under tax moving forward and pick up a first in process.

CP3 makes 15 million, plus whatever he gets from Lakers, Clippers etc when he signs for the low low.

The receiving team has to salary match the full $30m contract in return. So in that Bogs suggestion, ATL would have to send much more salary as Bogs can’t return a $30m contract. Then, CP3 has to be guaranteed more to match for Bogs and an additional Contract, and then you have to find that middle ground.

Are we sure? I am pretty sure the Hawks did something similar a few years ago with Galinari in the Dejounte trade. Where they only partially guaranteed his deal to match Dejounte and then Spurs were able to waive the remainder.

[Colbinii]

A few caveats here.

1) Do the Warriors want to be in the Tax and/of above the 1st Apron?
2) What contracts are neutral/negative where the Warriors come out ahead on the deal?

In the example of Bogdanovic, I view him as a very much positive impact player on his deal. I don't think Atlanta wants to cut bait on him, at least not until they decide on what to do with Murray/Young. The Murray/Young saga may not be resolved by the CP3 guarantee date.

This brings us to #3:

3) Timing of the CP3 guarantee

I expect the Warriors will want to know by the NBA draft what they are doing with CP3, which takes a lot of options off the table. They can't wait on the guarantee date until Free Agency starts to then get creative and make moves.

4) The CP3 situation directly affects the Klay Thompson extension/re-sign.

[jayjaysee]

I still see Portland here.

Grant and Brogdon for Paul, Wiggins, and a first

Tie in a third team to break up Wiggins money. Portland deals with their tax issue later.

[JMAC3]

A few caveats here.

1) Do the Warriors want to be in the Tax and/of above the 1st Apron?
2) What contracts are neutral/negative where the Warriors come out ahead on the deal?

In the example of Bogdanovic, I view him as a very much positive impact player on his deal. I don't think Atlanta wants to cut bait on him, at least not until they decide on what to do with Murray/Young. The Murray/Young saga may not be resolved by the CP3 guarantee date.

This brings us to #3:

3) Timing of the CP3 guarantee

I expect the Warriors will want to know by the NBA draft what they are doing with CP3, which takes a lot of options off the table. They can't wait on the guarantee date until Free Agency starts to then get creative and make moves.

4) The CP3 situation directly affects the Klay Thompson extension/re-sign.

The Warriors are in a tough spot, because if Klay leaves and they waive CP3 then they are basically around 145ish in cap. So they have no cap space to add, would be limited to the MLE and then they would go from one of the highest payrolls to one of the lowest in the league. I just don't see that happening with Steph still being a top 10 guy.

[JMAC3]

I still see Portland here.

Grant and Brogdon for Paul, Wiggins, and a first

Tie in a third team to break up Wiggins money. Portland deals with their tax issue later.

Anfernee Simons could be interesting

[Scoot McGroot]

The Warriors are probably flying under the radar right now with potentially one of the best trade assets in the NBA

CP3 owed 30 million (unguaranteed).
2024-25 non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/28/24

So correct me if I am wrong, but they can partially guarantee his contract anywhere from 3 million to the full 30 million to potentially match in a trade. Then the acquiring team can waive CP3 for whatever portion isn't guaranteed.

Example: Paul to the Hawks for Bogdanovic ($17,260,000).

So the Warriors can guarantee CP3 15 million, along with a first rounder.

Hawks then waive CP3 for the remainder of his contract, give them some room under tax moving forward and pick up a first in process.

CP3 makes 15 million, plus whatever he gets from Lakers, Clippers etc when he signs for the low low.

The receiving team has to salary match the full $30m contract in return. So in that Bogs suggestion, ATL would have to send much more salary as Bogs can’t return a $30m contract. Then, CP3 has to be guaranteed more to match for Bogs and an additional Contract, and then you have to find that middle ground.

Are we sure? I am pretty sure the Hawks did something similar a few years ago with Galinari in the Dejounte trade. Where they only partially guaranteed his deal to match Dejounte and then Spurs were able to waive the remainder.

Yes. Very sure. Dejounte made $17m that year. Gallo was guaranteed to $13m but his full contract was $21.45m. So, Murray’s contract was able to match for Gallo’s full deal, and Gallo was guaranteed enough to match for Murray. They made it work in the middle.

Bogdan doesn’t make enough to bring back CP3 and his $30m full contract. Atlanta has to add more salary to bring back, then, CP3 has to be guaranteed more to bring back both Bogy and the additional contract, or atlanta and Gs have to pay to dump that additional contract elsewhere.

[gswhoops]

The Warriors are probably flying under the radar right now with potentially one of the best trade assets in the NBA

CP3 owed 30 million (unguaranteed).
2024-25 non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/28/24

So correct me if I am wrong, but they can partially guarantee his contract anywhere from 3 million to the full 30 million to potentially match in a trade. Then the acquiring team can waive CP3 for whatever portion isn't guaranteed.

Example: Paul to the Hawks for Bogdanovic ($17,260,000).

So the Warriors can guarantee CP3 15 million, along with a first rounder.

Hawks then waive CP3 for the remainder of his contract, give them some room under tax moving forward and pick up a first in process.

CP3 makes 15 million, plus whatever he gets from Lakers, Clippers etc when he signs for the low low.

The receiving team has to salary match the full $30m contract in return. So in that Bogs suggestion, ATL would have to send much more salary as Bogs can’t return a $30m contract. Then, CP3 has to be guaranteed more to match for Bogs and an additional Contract, and then you have to find that middle ground.

Are we sure? I am pretty sure the Hawks did something similar a few years ago with Galinari in the Dejounte trade. Where they only partially guaranteed his deal to match Dejounte and then Spurs were able to waive the remainder.

Yeah, that trade was still legal because the Spurs were sending out enough salary to match Gallo's full salary, including the non-guaranteed portion.

Probably simplest to think of each team separately:

The team trading for CP3 has to send out enough salary to make the trade legal using his full $30M salary (1.25*(X) + $100,000 = $30,000,000), which equals $23.92M.

So let's say the Warriors trade CP3 for Player X making exactly $23.92M. Then they need to guarantee enough of CP3's contract to make sure they comply with the salary matching rules using only the guaranteed portion of his deal (1.25*(X) + $100,000 = $23,920,000), which equals $19.056M.

[JMAC3]

The receiving team has to salary match the full $30m contract in return. So in that Bogs suggestion, ATL would have to send much more salary as Bogs can’t return a $30m contract. Then, CP3 has to be guaranteed more to match for Bogs and an additional Contract, and then you have to find that middle ground.

Are we sure? I am pretty sure the Hawks did something similar a few years ago with Galinari in the Dejounte trade. Where they only partially guaranteed his deal to match Dejounte and then Spurs were able to waive the remainder.

Yes. Very sure. Dejounte made $17m that year. Gallo was guaranteed to $13m but his full contract was $21.45m. So, Murray’s contract was able to match for Gallo’s full deal, and Gallo was guaranteed enough to match for Murray. They made it work in the middle.

Bogdan doesn’t make enough to bring back CP3 and his $30m full contract. Atlanta has to add more salary to bring back, then, CP3 has to be guaranteed more to bring back both Bogy and the additional contract, or atlanta and Gs have to pay to dump that additional contract elsewhere.

Still feels like Warriors backs are against the wall to make a trade happen with CP3. Bogdan was just an example..

So what is the most likely deals here? Because they have at least 2 firsts they can move, along with a bevy of potential young guys like Podz, Moody, TJD...

[JMAC3]

Who says no:

Warriors send CP3, Moody, 2026 and 2028 firsts
Portland sends Anfernee Simons

Portland has 7 and 14 so adding another guard is a high possibility and they already have Scoot, Sharpe at guard. Simons doesn't really fit with either of those guys either.

Warriors replace Klay with a much younger splash brother.

[Colbinii]

Who says no:

Warriors send CP3, Moody, 2026 and 2028 firsts
Portland sends Anfernee Simons

Portland has 7 and 14 so adding another guard is a high possibility and they already have Scoot, Sharpe at guard. Simons doesn't really fit with either of those guys either.

Warriors replace Klay with a much younger splash brother.

Portland likely isn't going to want to go into the Tax.

I don't know how you play Simons/Curry together as a defensive duo.

[JMAC3]

Who says no:

Warriors send CP3, Moody, 2026 and 2028 firsts
Portland sends Anfernee Simons

Portland has 7 and 14 so adding another guard is a high possibility and they already have Scoot, Sharpe at guard. Simons doesn't really fit with either of those guys either.

Warriors replace Klay with a much younger splash brother.

Portland likely isn't going to want to go into the Tax.

I don't know how you play Simons/Curry together as a defensive duo.

With Wiggins, Draymond and one of Looney/Gary Payton.. I don't think the fit is perfect, but I also don't know if GSW are in a position to where they can only trade for a guy if its a perfect fit at this point.

[Colbinii]

Who says no:

Warriors send CP3, Moody, 2026 and 2028 firsts
Portland sends Anfernee Simons

Portland has 7 and 14 so adding another guard is a high possibility and they already have Scoot, Sharpe at guard. Simons doesn't really fit with either of those guys either.

Warriors replace Klay with a much younger splash brother.

Portland likely isn't going to want to go into the Tax.

I don't know how you play Simons/Curry together as a defensive duo.

With Wiggins, Draymond and one of Looney/Gary Payton.. I don't think the fit is perfect, but I also don't know if GSW are in a position to where they can only trade for a guy if its a perfect fit at this point.

Looney is getting or is already waived.

If I am trading 2 1sts, I better be getting a player who is a good fit.

[JMAC3]

Portland likely isn't going to want to go into the Tax.

I don't know how you play Simons/Curry together as a defensive duo.

With Wiggins, Draymond and one of Looney/Gary Payton.. I don't think the fit is perfect, but I also don't know if GSW are in a position to where they can only trade for a guy if its a perfect fit at this point.

Looney is getting or is already waived.

If I am trading 2 1sts, I better be getting a player who is a good fit.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/warriors-planning-to-bring-back-kevon-looney-fully-guarantee-his-contract-for-2024-25/

Seems like Warriors know they might as well bring back Looney, because whether you keep him or not it isn't changing your cap space situation.

[Ilovethebay]

Who says no:

Warriors send CP3, Moody, 2026 and 2028 firsts
Portland sends Anfernee Simons

Portland has 7 and 14 so adding another guard is a high possibility and they already have Scoot, Sharpe at guard. Simons doesn't really fit with either of those guys either.

Warriors replace Klay with a much younger splash brother.

Easy no from this Warrior fan. Even without the picks. Given more playing time, Moody could give us what Simons would.

[JMAC3]

Who says no:

Warriors send CP3, Moody, 2026 and 2028 firsts
Portland sends Anfernee Simons

Portland has 7 and 14 so adding another guard is a high possibility and they already have Scoot, Sharpe at guard. Simons doesn't really fit with either of those guys either.

Warriors replace Klay with a much younger splash brother.

Easy no from this Warrior fan. Even without the picks. Given more playing time, Moody could give us what Simons would.

Moody is jumping from 8 ppg to 22 ppg?

Feels like Warriors need more offensive punch. Wiggins as a 2nd option feels like a pretty bad team.