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[dhsilv2]

Players to win multiple Championships without a top 75 teammate

- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Steph Curry

End of the list.

It would be a cool accomplishment if the top 75 list was good.
But it's not a good list. Manu, Draymond, Gasol are all easily top 75 players of all-time. Parker probably too. Klay and Odom have arguments.

I don't think there's really such thing as a "carry job". Fans love the idea of it so we do mental gymnastics to funnel the credit to our favorite players, often diminishing their teammates in the process. In reality, every team that's ever won a championship has had a LOT going on, roster wise. It's not always raw offensive star power. It's often defense and versatility when one star is getting all the credit. 2011 Mavs are a great example. Dirk gets all the credit, but there was incredible defense that run played by Chandler, Marion, and Kidd, and perfect complimentary offensive contributions not always coming from the same place (Terry consistently, but then bursts from JJ and Peja). Iverson 2001 finals run (and Kidd in 2002-2003) was an elite defense disguised as a "carry job".

Fans love to pretend basketball is an individual sport. It's not. It never has been. The more we try to pretend it is, the less we understand the sport.

Lamar Odom has no argument. 0x all-star, 0x all-NBA, 0x all-defensive teams.

You have players that didn’t make the top 75 list like Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Chris Bosh, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Alex English,
Bernard King, and Artis Gilmore who are clearly better than Lamar Odom.

Then if you made the list today you’d have players like Jokic, Luka, Butler, Booker, Brown, Holiday, and Tatum on the list ahead of Odom.

there are at least 20 guys from the first list who are obvious or at least VERY debatable. I mean freaking Earl Monroe was on the list. And Odom was just a better player and more impactful than he was as an example.

That said, Odom shouldn't be in the top 75 debate. Top 100....I can start to get on board. his impact stats are much better than his voter awards where the media constantly screws up the votes. But likely he's more like top 125. Still better than a number of people on that list though.

[Patsfan1081]

Love Curry, his legacy, and what he did that year (well, outside of the obvious), but there are some bad takes in this thread.

That Warriors team was only the Covid years removed from being a dynasty. It's not like this was some different team. They were still good, had the #1 ranked DRtg, and an offense better than the 17th they were given.

That team was absolutely stacked, and was not the weakest supporting cast. They went 12 deep, and had a Top 5 player on it. They won 53 games with Klay missing 50 games, Curry 18, and Drey 36...That was a 60+ win team if even marginally more healthy.

Not only did they have their big 3 still playing at an high level, but they surrounded them with the best bench guard in the game, former #1 pick wing having the best season of his life making the ASG, 3 solid veterans in GP2 Looney and OPJ. They still had a slew of role players including Kuminga and Moody

That title was not a carry job, and that team was absolutely stacked similar to the 2019 Raptors.

That team was far superior to the 2015 Warriors, it just wasn't as obvious because of the injuries, people thinking Klay fell off a cliff even though he was still giving you elite offense, and everyones distrust and hatred toward Wiggins and Poole.

Boston had no shot beating a veteran team that juiced to the gills with high impact players. It was crazy seeing Steph get #4 and cement his legacy, but that was a legit TEAM, very similar to the Duncan/Manu/Parker Spurs teams that kept winning it.

Not many teams can say they had 4 AS level players, a 6MotY level player, 3 veteran role players, and 2 recent lottery picks on their team.

Moody and Kuminga didn't contribute anything on that title. Klay Thompson was coming off missing two full years with injuries. Wiggins and Poole being Steph's best teammates tells all you need to know about that title run.

This is a little silly. Klay still averaged 19 a game. Wiggins was a all star with a lot of hype at the time as a much improved defender. Draymond still was a great defender who showed out offensively one game. And Poole averaged 17, the same as Wiggins. The team was considered deep with GP3 and Looney. You can’t be influenced by how they look now as compared to then.

[cupcakesnake]

Players to win multiple Championships without a top 75 teammate

- Kobe Bryant
- Tim Duncan
- Steph Curry

End of the list.

It would be a cool accomplishment if the top 75 list was good.
But it's not a good list. Manu, Draymond, Gasol are all easily top 75 players of all-time. Parker probably too. Klay and Odom have arguments.

I don't think there's really such thing as a "carry job". Fans love the idea of it so we do mental gymnastics to funnel the credit to our favorite players, often diminishing their teammates in the process. In reality, every team that's ever won a championship has had a LOT going on, roster wise. It's not always raw offensive star power. It's often defense and versatility when one star is getting all the credit. 2011 Mavs are a great example. Dirk gets all the credit, but there was incredible defense that run played by Chandler, Marion, and Kidd, and perfect complimentary offensive contributions not always coming from the same place (Terry consistently, but then bursts from JJ and Peja). Iverson 2001 finals run (and Kidd in 2002-2003) was an elite defense disguised as a "carry job".

Fans love to pretend basketball is an individual sport. It's not. It never has been. The more we try to pretend it is, the less we understand the sport.

Lamar Odom has no argument. 0x all-star, 0x all-NBA, 0x all-defensive teams.

You have players that didn’t make the top 75 list like Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Chris Bosh, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Alex English,
Bernard King, and Artis Gilmore who are clearly better than Lamar Odom.

Then if you made the list today you’d have players like Jokic, Luka, Butler, Booker, Brown, Holiday, and Tatum on the list ahead of Odom.

It wouldn't be an awards based case for Odom. I also don't personally have Odom in my top 75 (I have him 108th! and my own ranking list isn't very rigorous outside the top 50-60 maybe). Once you get deeper in those lists, there are a LOT of guys you can make cases for.

You'd look at his impact numbers and his obvious utility for winning playoff basketball. He was a very rare player, capable of really high-level playmaking and rebounding at 6'10" with a 7'3" wingspan. Clear 3rd best player on a team that won 2 championships and went to 3 finals. 5-year prime of 15.5ppg 9.9rpg 4.3apg 1 block 1 steal on 47%fg and a decent free throw rate for a secondary option. Like that's a REALLY good player. Had he been a slightly better scorer, he would have made a lot of all-star games. The PPG bias is very strong for awards, but when we study the players impact (or just look at who is making a big difference in the playoffs) it can tell a different story.

[CBS7]

Gasol was one of the biggest snubs off the top 75 list I can think of.
Manu/Parker definitely have arguments as well.
Don't think Odom does. Klay... maybe. But imo his peak was too short thanks to missing 2 prime years to injury.

[Kawaii Leonard]

God you Curry glazers are insufferable.
Jokic’s robins were Monte Morris and Will Barton. Alfreds maybe. Half his starting line up was out. Austin Rivers was on the floor ffs. And how old was Luka and the Jays atp? Ja was done after g3 too.
GB off season is officially in full form.

Nitpicking that can be applied to anyone. I.e. Dirk’s 2011 run: beat an old Lakers team, a bunch of 21 year olds in OKC, and the first year of the big 3 Heat who had no chemistry or role players.

1986 Celtics: beat a 22 year old Jordan, a 23 year old Hakeem, and the Hawks and Bucks who each only had 1 all-star that didn’t even start.

If I’ve learned anything from Realgm, it’s that every champion is actually bad and eventually will be exposed as frauds and their championship should have an asterisk.

That’s great and all and I mostly agree with your statements but do you not see the nature of this thread?

[NZB2323]

It would be a cool accomplishment if the top 75 list was good.
But it's not a good list. Manu, Draymond, Gasol are all easily top 75 players of all-time. Parker probably too. Klay and Odom have arguments.

I don't think there's really such thing as a "carry job". Fans love the idea of it so we do mental gymnastics to funnel the credit to our favorite players, often diminishing their teammates in the process. In reality, every team that's ever won a championship has had a LOT going on, roster wise. It's not always raw offensive star power. It's often defense and versatility when one star is getting all the credit. 2011 Mavs are a great example. Dirk gets all the credit, but there was incredible defense that run played by Chandler, Marion, and Kidd, and perfect complimentary offensive contributions not always coming from the same place (Terry consistently, but then bursts from JJ and Peja). Iverson 2001 finals run (and Kidd in 2002-2003) was an elite defense disguised as a "carry job".

Fans love to pretend basketball is an individual sport. It's not. It never has been. The more we try to pretend it is, the less we understand the sport.

Lamar Odom has no argument. 0x all-star, 0x all-NBA, 0x all-defensive teams.

You have players that didn’t make the top 75 list like Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Chris Bosh, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Alex English,
Bernard King, and Artis Gilmore who are clearly better than Lamar Odom.

Then if you made the list today you’d have players like Jokic, Luka, Butler, Booker, Brown, Holiday, and Tatum on the list ahead of Odom.

there are at least 20 guys from the first list who are obvious or at least VERY debatable. I mean freaking Earl Monroe was on the list. And Odom was just a better player and more impactful than he was as an example.

That said, Odom shouldn't be in the top 75 debate. Top 100....I can start to get on board. his impact stats are much better than his voter awards where the media constantly screws up the votes. But likely he's more like top 125. Still better than a number of people on that list though.

I just think it's easier to win as a 3rd banana. I like Lamar Odom. I think other players like Joakim Noah, Horace Grant, Baron Davis, Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton, Marc Gasol, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Shawn Kemp, Draymond Green, Kyrie Irving, Sam Cassell, Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert, Jamal Murray, Embiid, Jermaine O'Neal, Iggy, Bam, Kyle Lowry, Deron Williams, John Wall, Yao, Marion, Amare, and Rondo all have arguments against Lamar Odom.

[fansse]

God you Curry glazers are insufferable.
Jokic’s robins were Monte Morris and Will Barton. Alfreds maybe. Half his starting line up was out. Austin Rivers was on the floor ffs. And how old was Luka and the Jays atp? Ja was done after g3 too.
GB off season is officially in full form.

This.

[ccvle]

The championship that destroyed Durant's legacy.

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Lamar Odom has no argument. 0x all-star, 0x all-NBA, 0x all-defensive teams.

You have players that didn’t make the top 75 list like Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Chris Bosh, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Alex English,
Bernard King, and Artis Gilmore who are clearly better than Lamar Odom.

Then if you made the list today you’d have players like Jokic, Luka, Butler, Booker, Brown, Holiday, and Tatum on the list ahead of Odom.

there are at least 20 guys from the first list who are obvious or at least VERY debatable. I mean freaking Earl Monroe was on the list. And Odom was just a better player and more impactful than he was as an example.

That said, Odom shouldn't be in the top 75 debate. Top 100....I can start to get on board. his impact stats are much better than his voter awards where the media constantly screws up the votes. But likely he's more like top 125. Still better than a number of people on that list though.

I just think it's easier to win as a 3rd banana. I like Lamar Odom. I think other players like Joakim Noah, Horace Grant, Baron Davis, Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton, Marc Gasol, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Shawn Kemp, Draymond Green, Kyrie Irving, Sam Cassell, Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert, Jamal Murray, Embiid, Jermaine O'Neal, Iggy, Bam, Kyle Lowry, Deron Williams, John Wall, Yao, Marion, Amare, and Rondo all have arguments against Lamar Odom.

Being a great 2nd or 3rd type guy doesn't seem easier to me. There are perhaps less guys who can scale up to being a first option on a winner than expand and spread out their game to be a 3rd best player type. But to be an elite 2 or 3 is likely just as rare as many of the first option.

For what it's worth I'd have a LOT of that list in my 75 as does the player comp board for that matter. Mind you you got a few there I'd not even consider lol.

[CzBoobie]

Yeah, Curry carrying the best defense in the NBA...They WON a Finals game with Curry shooting 0/9 threes and going for whopping 16 pts on 22 shots. Such a carry job.

Such a bad take, this completely missed how the Celtics covered him that game and all the scoring the warriors got off of over playing Curry.

Completely missed the defense part. And yeah, playing off of your superstar is somehow concept unique to Curry I guess...

[dhsilv2]

Yeah, Curry carrying the best defense in the NBA...They WON a Finals game with Curry shooting 0/9 threes and going for whopping 16 pts on 22 shots. Such a carry job.

Such a bad take, this completely missed how the Celtics covered him that game and all the scoring the warriors got off of over playing Curry.

Completely missed the defense part. And yeah, playing off of your superstar is somehow concept unique to Curry I guess...

It is not, however Curry is perhaps the best player in league history in terms of off ball impact when teams do this. We see this stuff missed with other players all the time too.

[cpower]

fun fact. if WIseman had not been injured they would not have won that year..

could have been the bust of the century for Wiseman lol

[Impuniti]

Curry was so good in the Finals that everyone forgot how pedestrian (by his standard) he was in the West bracket. The rest of the team really pulled the sled to the Finals and then Curry pushed it over the line. Dray and Klay were very good in the West but then faltered in the Finals but GP2, OPJ and Looney brought up the slack.

Klay has not been very good since 2019 to anyone that's watched that team. A lot of guys showed up in different series, sum of its parts with Curry being Curry.

[durden_tyler]

The championship that destroyed Durant's legacy.

Oh so true, so Steph is responsible for destroying a couple of greats' legacies; Durant, exposed here in this series and LeBron, for getting owned by Steph for years. LOL

[CzBoobie]

The championship that destroyed Durant's legacy.

Oh so true, so Steph is responsible for destroying a couple of greats' legacies; Durant, exposed here in this series and LeBron, for getting owned by Steph for years. LOL

LeBron getting owned by Steph between 2015-20 resulted in LeBron getting 2 FMVPs vs Currys 0. So much owning...

[NoStatsGuy]

This with Jordan Poole and Kevon Looney getting playoff rotation minutes. Let alone the glaring weaknesses of both Draymond (horrible scorer) and Klay (horrible rebounder and on ball playmaker). Definitely one of the most high value, carry-job FMVPs I can think of. Up there with Joker and Jordan’s first. LeBron didn’t win but that initial Cavs team he drug to the Finals would’ve arguably been the leagues worst without him. Larry Hughes as your 2nd option?

We talking about Steph though. A cat who gets doubled off the ball and was only the driving force (heavily supported by Klay) behind the shift in shot profile of the NBA. I remember exactly where I was the first time I saw him play and I was like hol up. This kid ain’t normal.

If I remember correctly the Boston Garden crowd didn’t even boo the Celtics loudly nor heckle Steph. They’re one of the most intelligent and engaged home crowds, they kinda just sat back and marveled at his artful game 6 performance. So vintage Steph with the casual 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, and block with low turn.

as much as i dislike spamming threes based on analytics and how curry influenced that. but those years where curry elevated to the top were soo cool to watch. the guy put on a show every night and did things we never seen before, it was crazy. it still rips my heart to shreds it wasnt in a knicks jersey.

[art_tatum]

The championship that destroyed Durant's legacy.

Oh so true, so Steph is responsible for destroying a couple of greats' legacies; Durant, exposed here in this series and LeBron, for getting owned by Steph for years. LOL

LeBron getting owned by Steph between 2015-20 resulted in LeBron getting 2 FMVPs vs Currys 0. So much owning...

Not owning but definitely prevented Lebron from being goat (along with 2011 and heatles) in majority of peoples minds. Lebron could've gotten 6-7 rings best case scenario.

Adding to the list tho, hardens legacy was severely affected by curry, dame as well almost every playoffs, cp3, pretty much most western stars during the warriors era.

[CzBoobie]

Oh so true, so Steph is responsible for destroying a couple of greats' legacies; Durant, exposed here in this series and LeBron, for getting owned by Steph for years. LOL

LeBron getting owned by Steph between 2015-20 resulted in LeBron getting 2 FMVPs vs Currys 0. So much owning...

Not owning but definitely prevented Lebron from being goat (along with 2011 and heatles) in majority of peoples minds. Lebron could've gotten 6-7 rings best case scenario.

Sure, but that was Durant's doing (along with unprecedented salary cap jump), not Curry's. If Durant's two rings and FMVPs don't count (somehow being exposed by 2022 GSW title), then I don't see why Curry's should either.

[shi-woo]

The championship that destroyed Durant's legacy.

Oh so true, so Steph is responsible for destroying a couple of greats' legacies; Durant, exposed here in this series and LeBron, for getting owned by Steph for years. LOL

LeBron getting owned by Steph between 2015-20 resulted in LeBron getting 2 FMVPs vs Currys 0. So much owning...

It was more of the fact that he hijacked his era, tied him and chips, and did what LeBron was never able to do. Lead HIS team to the promised land not once but twice as the main dog. Something LBK is notorious for not being able to do, thus the superteam and team hoping era.

Curry low key ended any LeBron as GOAT talk given that he had a better career than him, showed how easy it is for GOAT level players to win when they stack the deck, and then did it all sticking with one team.

That win didn't destroy LeBron's legacy, but it definitely changed the perspective of super teams, and was a solid F U to all the team hoping stars that couldn't match Curry's success even when they stacked the deck.

[CzBoobie]

Curry having better career than LeBron is from which parallel universe?