Welcome to Boston, Jaden Springer!

[brackdan70]

Lock Jaden in the gym and have him shoot 1 million 3's this offseason.

How many is that a day?

If they get him in the gym this Saturday and keep him there until the preseason begins it would be about 8,300 per day.

4$ for each practice 3 . I’d do that.

[SuperDeluxe]

Jaden Springer about to get a ring before Joel Embiid. Clear as hell who the alpha on that Sixers team really was.

[Gant]

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[redslastlaugh]

The trade for Springer is still baffling, that on a second apron team, tight with roster spots cuz KP and Al aren’t gonna be big minute players so we need 3-4 backup bigs, that we traded for this guy. Springer didn’t play a competitive minute in the playoffs and after the trade, despite Mazzullas 3point heavy approach, he shot 18% from 3.

The defense is good, not amazing… but Springers PER on the Celts was 11 in the regular season and 5 during the playoffs. I am just not sure that he’s an NBA player.

Maybe his $4 million contract has value as a salary match if they need to add a piece at the next years trade deadline and the front office is just planning ahead, because otherwise, what’s his value? Because if we had his open roster spot we could just sign a vet ring chaser like Pat Beverly or Kyle Lowry or someone for like $3 million who’d be way more likely to contribute than Springer but we can’t because we’re short on roster spots.

The thing that still has me scratching my head about Springer is his contract. We're on the hook for $4m next year, which is a lot of money for a fringe guy on a 2nd apron team. Barring Kornet/Tillman getting a decent bump on their extensions, he'll be the 8th highest paid player on the team. Not my money, so as long as ownership are down with footing the bill then more power to them, but it still seems a bit odd to me.

I guess you have to take it as another sign that the staff has confidence in the bet paying off. Cassell coached him his first two years in Philly, we gave up a mid 2nd rounder for him and are going to pay him $4m next year (not even accounting for the tax we'll incur because of him). Gotta assume they see him as a genuine contributor next year given all that.

Also given the restrictions we're under as a 2nd apron team, I think it does make sense to target "2nd draft" kind of guys who haven't popped yet, but are further along in their development and potentially can offer returns sooner rather than later. Walsh is a great example of how 2nd round guys with lots of tools and athleticism are still going to need significant development time before they'll get a chance to make an impact. Getting a guy 2-3 years into their NBA journey that still needs to develop but is more poised to turn that corner into being a rotation player is a worthy gamble. Ideally you do both to get instant returns while also still trying to build your own homegrown pipeline.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[celticgreenie]

The trade for Springer is still baffling, that on a second apron team, tight with roster spots cuz KP and Al aren’t gonna be big minute players so we need 3-4 backup bigs, that we traded for this guy. Springer didn’t play a competitive minute in the playoffs and after the trade, despite Mazzullas 3point heavy approach, he shot 18% from 3.

The defense is good, not amazing… but Springers PER on the Celts was 11 in the regular season and 5 during the playoffs. I am just not sure that he’s an NBA player.

Maybe his $4 million contract has value as a salary match if they need to add a piece at the next years trade deadline and the front office is just planning ahead, because otherwise, what’s his value? Because if we had his open roster spot we could just sign a vet ring chaser like Pat Beverly or Kyle Lowry or someone for like $3 million who’d be way more likely to contribute than Springer but we can’t because we’re short on roster spots.

The thing that still has me scratching my head about Springer is his contract. We're on the hook for $4m next year, which is a lot of money for a fringe guy on a 2nd apron team. Barring Kornet/Tillman getting a decent bump on their extensions, he'll be the 8th highest paid player on the team. Not my money, so as long as ownership are down with footing the bill then more power to them, but it still seems a bit odd to me.

I guess you have to take it as another sign that the staff has confidence in the bet paying off. Cassell coached him his first two years in Philly, we gave up a mid 2nd rounder for him and are going to pay him $4m next year (not even accounting for the tax we'll incur because of him). Gotta assume they see him as a genuine contributor next year given all that.

Also given the restrictions we're under as a 2nd apron team, I think it does make sense to target "2nd draft" kind of guys who haven't popped yet, but are further along in their development and potentially can offer returns sooner rather than later. Walsh is a great example of how 2nd round guys with lots of tools and athleticism are still going to need significant development time before they'll get a chance to make an impact. Getting a guy 2-3 years into their NBA journey that still needs to develop but is more poised to turn that corner into being a rotation player is a worthy gamble. Ideally you do both to get instant returns while also still trying to build your own homegrown pipeline.

I agree with you guys about Springer and his contract, roster spot, second apron implications, etc. My best guess is that Brad Stevens likes how he might also be able to guard bigger players a la Jrue Holiday. As great as a defender as Derek White is, guys like Luka are a bad matchup for him. We had a deep bench guy who fit that mold like Holiday in Lamar Stevens, and Brad smartly traded him for Xavier who we needed in Game 3 against Dallas with the Porzingis injury. Stevens made only a couple million versus Springer who made twice as much. Maybe we can get Stevens back if we trade Springer. No one would doubt Brad and his ability as a GM coming off his championship, but Morey and the Sixers didn't seem to value Springer as much as we did.

[SeizeCoup]

A defensive wing/guard who can d-up and switch onto multiple positions is a valued commodity. I see Springer as an investment for the future.

He’s a former top-5 nationally ranked high school, 5-star prospect. He shot well from 3 in college (43%) albeit in a small sample size, but obviously that hasn’t translated to the pros.

With his elite athleticism I like the investment of giving him some time to grow under the leadership of Jrue. If he can figure out how to shoot he becomes a BIG asset.

[Fierce1]

Now that Brissy is leaving, I'm not as keen to getting rid of Springer's contract.

Guess Walsh and Springer will have to battle it out to get that 10th spot in the rotation.

[Hal14]

The trade for Springer is still baffling, that on a second apron team, tight with roster spots cuz KP and Al aren’t gonna be big minute players so we need 3-4 backup bigs, that we traded for this guy.

I mean, we also traded for Tillman - a backup big..

despite Mazzullas 3point heavy approach, he shot 18% from 3.

I wouldn't read very deeply into Springer's stats after the trade. He got thrown onto a new team in the middle of the season, with no training camp with his new team, barely any practice time..not to mention pretty much all the mins he got this season for Boston were in garbage time and those stats are basically meaningless to begin with (many sites filter out garbage time and there's a reason for that)..and he's only 21 yrs old. It's also a tiny sample size of games.

And we didn't get him for his shooting anyways. We got him for his POA (POint of attack) defense, hustle, energy, rebounding, athleticism, ability to turn defense into offense which creates easy baskets on the other end (something we've been lacking in over the past few yrs), etc.

In other words, a similar role to what Gary Payton II played for the 2022 champs Warriors..Bruce Brown on the 2023 champs nuggets, caruso on the 2020 champs lakers, Tony Allen played similar role on some good celtics and Grizzlies teams. Pat Bev has played a similar role on some good teams (where he didn't shoot the 3 ball very well)..Avery Bradley has played a similar role.

Clearly, they see upside. Untapped potential. He's only 21 yrs old. Already one of the better POA defenders in the league (who gave guys like Doncic, Brunson, Steph, SGA, etc.) fits this season in Philly. On our bench, you've Pritchard and Hauser. Plus Horford. We have plenty of shooting on our bench. What none of those 3 guys have though is athleticism. Pritchard and Hauser can shoot. So why not have another guy off the bench (who's bigger than Pritchard but shorter than Hauser) who might not be a great shooter but can be a defensive stopper out on the perimeter. Can defend the Luka's, Brunsons, SGA and Stephs of the world, the Donovan Mitchell, Maxey, etc. Many of these guys have been tough for us to contain in the past.

He's a defensive stopper, energy guy off the bench.

Plus, he's still just 21 so certainly still very much in development mode - by no means is a finished product..and (especially with our track record of developing our players' shooting ability) and the fact that Springer shot 43% from 3 and 80% from the FT line in college, they probably also think that there's some upside for him to develop and get better on offense - and if that happens, it'll look like a bargain of a contract.

And if he doesn't work out, it's no big deal. He can be used as salary matching in a trade, at some point down the road. We barely gave up anything to get him so it's a low risk, high reward type of move.

Springers PER on the Celts was 11 in the regular season and 5 during the playoffs.

Again, I take the stats he had with the Celtics with a grain of salt - for reasons I mentioned above.

Also, I don't think many people really use PER anymore for evaluating players..

[Celts17Pride]

Jaden Springer should be in a gym somewhere today working on his three point shot.

[shackles10]

Due to lack of options this guy may have to be my 2024-2025 Binky (along with Queta) so expect me to irrationally defend him despite what your numbers say nerds!

[Patsfan1081]

I’d much rather have that high second as ammo to trade up, though there’s a 99% likelihood Brad trades back.

[31to6]

I’d much rather have that high second as ammo to trade up, though there’s a 99% likelihood Brad trades back.

What is “trade up”?

[31to6]

The trade for Springer is still baffling, that on a second apron team, tight with roster spots cuz KP and Al aren’t gonna be big minute players so we need 3-4 backup bigs, that we traded for this guy. Springer didn’t play a competitive minute in the playoffs and after the trade, despite Mazzullas 3point heavy approach, he shot 18% from 3.

The defense is good, not amazing… but Springers PER on the Celts was 11 in the regular season and 5 during the playoffs. I am just not sure that he’s an NBA player.

Maybe his $4 million contract has value as a salary match if they need to add a piece at the next years trade deadline and the front office is just planning ahead, because otherwise, what’s his value? Because if we had his open roster spot we could just sign a vet ring chaser like Pat Beverly or Kyle Lowry or someone for like $3 million who’d be way more likely to contribute than Springer but we can’t because we’re short on roster spots.

The thing that still has me scratching my head about Springer is his contract. We're on the hook for $4m next year, which is a lot of money for a fringe guy on a 2nd apron team. Barring Kornet/Tillman getting a decent bump on their extensions, he'll be the 8th highest paid player on the team. Not my money, so as long as ownership are down with footing the bill then more power to them, but it still seems a bit odd to me.

I guess you have to take it as another sign that the staff has confidence in the bet paying off. Cassell coached him his first two years in Philly, we gave up a mid 2nd rounder for him and are going to pay him $4m next year (not even accounting for the tax we'll incur because of him). Gotta assume they see him as a genuine contributor next year given all that.

Also given the restrictions we're under as a 2nd apron team, I think it does make sense to target "2nd draft" kind of guys who haven't popped yet, but are further along in their development and potentially can offer returns sooner rather than later. Walsh is a great example of how 2nd round guys with lots of tools and athleticism are still going to need significant development time before they'll get a chance to make an impact. Getting a guy 2-3 years into their NBA journey that still needs to develop but is more poised to turn that corner into being a rotation player is a worthy gamble. Ideally you do both to get instant returns while also still trying to build your own homegrown pipeline.

Suggesting Lowry as a Celtic is a perma-ban, right? Mods????

Anyway on topic I’m fine with them giving Springer a real look this season. There’s a spot as third-string “2” here, and if you can’t succeed in this role on this team then it’s very likely not happening for you in the NBA. So get those shots up all summer and come into TC ready to fight, kid!

[playa-hater]

I want NO part of Springer if all he is, is a Defensive specialist. He better improve his shot making substantially. I have always been about shooters but even that has taken an uptick..

Not including Centers of course. If a Center can shoot well then Great. But a presence and vertical spacer works for me.

[sam_I_am]

I’ll be shocked if he isn’t traded. I like having a young developmental talent like him on the roster, but $4 million can be better spent elsewhere.

[phincsfan]

Due to lack of options this guy may have to be my 2024-2025 Binky (along with Queta) so expect me to irrationally defend him despite what your numbers say nerds!

100%

[shackles10]

Spoiler:

The trade for Springer is still baffling, that on a second apron team, tight with roster spots cuz KP and Al aren’t gonna be big minute players so we need 3-4 backup bigs, that we traded for this guy. Springer didn’t play a competitive minute in the playoffs and after the trade, despite Mazzullas 3point heavy approach, he shot 18% from 3.

The defense is good, not amazing… but Springers PER on the Celts was 11 in the regular season and 5 during the playoffs. I am just not sure that he’s an NBA player.

Maybe his $4 million contract has value as a salary match if they need to add a piece at the next years trade deadline and the front office is just planning ahead, because otherwise, what’s his value? Because if we had his open roster spot we could just sign a vet ring chaser like Pat Beverly or Kyle Lowry or someone for like $3 million who’d be way more likely to contribute than Springer but we can’t because we’re short on roster spots.

The thing that still has me scratching my head about Springer is his contract. We're on the hook for $4m next year, which is a lot of money for a fringe guy on a 2nd apron team. Barring Kornet/Tillman getting a decent bump on their extensions, he'll be the 8th highest paid player on the team. Not my money, so as long as ownership are down with footing the bill then more power to them, but it still seems a bit odd to me.

I guess you have to take it as another sign that the staff has confidence in the bet paying off. Cassell coached him his first two years in Philly, we gave up a mid 2nd rounder for him and are going to pay him $4m next year (not even accounting for the tax we'll incur because of him). Gotta assume they see him as a genuine contributor next year given all that.

Also given the restrictions we're under as a 2nd apron team, I think it does make sense to target "2nd draft" kind of guys who haven't popped yet, but are further along in their development and potentially can offer returns sooner rather than later. Walsh is a great example of how 2nd round guys with lots of tools and athleticism are still going to need significant development time before they'll get a chance to make an impact. Getting a guy 2-3 years into their NBA journey that still needs to develop but is more poised to turn that corner into being a rotation player is a worthy gamble. Ideally you do both to get instant returns while also still trying to build your own homegrown pipeline.

Suggesting Lowry as a Celtic is a perma-ban, right? Mods????

We were trying to be lenient after the championship and all but this probably isn't excusable. Perma-ban and a public stoning shall be put to vote (thank God I checked my post before hitting "submit" and added the L to "public")

[canman1971]

I’d much rather have that high second as ammo to trade up, though there’s a 99% likelihood Brad trades back.

What is “trade up”?

The opposite of trade down

[Curmudgeon]

I love Springer. Excellent defender, athletic, hard-nosed. If he learns to shoot, watch out. They acquired him because Sam Cassell had him in Philly and loved him. If Springer gets traded, I hope it's not a deal that comes back to bite them in the tushie.