Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 6.0

[Knightro]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

[JoshuaPotter]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

"We know what we are doing internally" - Weltman

In all seriousness if Jett gets any serious playing time starting this season I am going to be shocked.

We would think natural progression for a draft n stash would be. G-League > DNP CD champion > Bench Role player > Whatever the peak is?

[Knightro]

Read on Twitter

"Franz is going to take 30M per year." - some people

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

his comment about 2nd round picks and having conversations with agents about what they (FO) want to do was interesting.

I'd almost guarantee they took Jett because he and his agent were fine being in G league all year and many other prospects were not interested in that. Probably could see the same thing with 18 this year and I'm ready to be baffled by the pick again

[JoshuaPotter]

Read on Twitter

"Franz is going to take 30M per year." - some people

Definitely sets the tone for the cost. Makes our "cap space" not look so cap "spacey".

[Knightro]

Read on Twitter

"Franz is going to take 30M per year." - some people

Definitely sets the tone for the cost. Makes our "cap space" not look so cap "spacey".

To be fair, the "up to $270M" part would only be if Barnes reaches All-NBA or DPOY or MVP, all of which seem highly unlikely.

So it's actually 5 years, $225M - 45M AAV.

But I would imagine anyone thinking Franz is gonna take 5/150 is going to be sadly, sadly mistaken.

[eyriq]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

They legit consider draft and stash in the g-league as a viable path to developing first round picks, even lottery picks. Given that it's a legitimate development path, it's completely legitimate to grade a player's performance on the path relative to where they are on that path. So yeah we don't like Jett but no it's not unfair or laughable that Weltman would be using a different criteria to evaluate Jett than we would for most rookies.

Also interesting is that they'll want to build the prestige of this path. So I actually think they're going to do everything in their power to have Jett succeed in the big league.

[OrlChamps2030]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

his comment about 2nd round picks and having conversations with agents about what they (FO) want to do was interesting.

I'd almost guarantee they took Jett because he and his agent were fine being in G league all year and many other prospects were not interested in that. Probably could see the same thing with 18 this year and I'm ready to be baffled by the pick again

That’s been my theory surrounding Jett for awhile now (inb4 Cedric)

Got a time stamp regarding the 2nd round picks quote?

[Knightro]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

They legit consider draft and stash in the g-league as a viable path to developing first round picks even lottery picks. Given that it's a legitimate development path, it's completely legitimate to grade a player's performance on the path relative to where they are on that path. So yeah we don't like Jett but no it's not unfair or laughable that Weltman would be using a different criteria to evaluate Jett than we would for most rookies.

Also interesting is that they'll want to build the prestige of this path. So I actually think they're going to do everything in their power to have Jett succeed in the big league.

It is HIGHLY debatable if the G-League actually provides any sort of tangible development though considering 95% of the guys playing in the G-League aren't signed to an NBA club and are simply desperate to get noticed.

Like I get the concept, but there's no real evidence that the G-League actually provides the kind of development you/Weltman are claiming it does.

In my opinion, Jett spending the entire season down there in no way, shape or form better prepared him to jump into an NBA rotation next season. The gap in competition between the two levels is just astronomical.

I have long thought that there's also an unspoken agreement in the G-League for no one to really even try all that hard defensively so guys can put up big eye popping stat lines on the hopes an NBA team will see it and want to give them a 10-day when they have injuries.

[Skybox]

Just thinking...the fact that BRK hasn't already announced a new contract for Claxton means he COULD still hit the market. I assume BRK is just going to throw $25m at him and end the conversation before it gets started, but...

I just think the opportunity and fit are amazing in ORL. I don't want to overpay, but we are in position to front load a descending deal that would make the impact in a couple of years not so detrimental.

*AFTER we find our starting Lead Guard (preferably via trade to best manage cap)

I really hope Claxton hits the market. I'm torn between him or Klay in terms of fit. Klay provides veteran leadership in a critical role that we lack, while Claxton provides an upgrade over Goga as a rim protecting, aggressive big.

Maybe I'm being too concerned about price point but, imo, Hartenstein would be a small boost over WCJ...Claxton changes the whole defensive impact. ORL was already exceptional last season, largely based on aggressive perimeter D (even Isaac does most of his damage out there)...adding an elite rim protector behind that aggressive POA scheme would seem to compound the effect...allowing perimeter defenders to gamble and press EVEN MORE, knowing that getting past them just introduces another level of hell in the paint. Claxton is also really capable of switching out and sneaking back on an elite level. WCJ is surprisingly good at switching, given his sturdy build, but Claxton is closer to Isaac's level of agility & defensive instincts.

1) Draft night Trade with POR, add a pick if necessary to require them to take back some salary, enabling us to do what I mentioned above as well as add the guard we obtain from POR...
best: ORL sends Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, #48, and DEN 25 pick for Simons and #34
really good: ORL sends Cole Anthony, Houstan, ORL 26 frp (top 5), DEN 25 frp for Simons and #34
still pretty good: ORL sends Cole Anthony, ORL 25 frp (Top 8), and #48 for Brogdon and #34
* Draft Terrence Shannon at #18 (or McCain or Ja'Kobe Walter, if either drops)
* Draft Baylor Scheierman at #34 (if he's gone, maybe at 18?, take Dadiet or Tyson)

2) IF Claxton doesn't get re-signed quickly to BRK, maybe we could sign him to a 4yr $200m deal, as heavily frontloaded as possible, perhaps $30m next year, ultimately dropping as low as $20m in the final year. That might not be the terrible fiscal blunder that I'm fearing for anybody signed (especially an older guy) for more than 2 years. Claxton is young enough that you'd want to lock him up.

3) sign best available vet PG for less than $4m per...Kris Dunn is the best option, elite POA defender & recently added 3pt shooting

Claxton, WCJ, Mo. (that's just not fair big man depth)
Paolo, Isaac, WCJ
Franz, AB, Scheierman (#34)
Suggs, Shannon (#18), Queen
Simons, AB, Kris Dunn

[eyriq]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

They legit consider draft and stash in the g-league as a viable path to developing first round picks even lottery picks. Given that it's a legitimate development path, it's completely legitimate to grade a player's performance on the path relative to where they are on that path. So yeah we don't like Jett but no it's not unfair or laughable that Weltman would be using a different criteria to evaluate Jett than we would for most rookies.

Also interesting is that they'll want to build the prestige of this path. So I actually think they're going to do everything in their power to have Jett succeed in the big league.

It is HIGHLY debatable if the G-League actually provides any sort of tangible development though considering 95% of the guys playing in the G-League aren't signed to an NBA club and are simply desperate to get noticed.

Like I get the concept, but there's no real evidence that the G-League actually provides the kind of development you/Weltman are claiming it does.

In my opinion, Jett spending the entire season down there in no way, shape or form better prepared him to jump into an NBA rotation next season. The gap in competition between the two levels is just astronomical.

I have long thought that there's also an unspoken agreement in the G-League for no one to really even try all that hard defensively so guys can put up big eye popping stat lines on the hopes an NBA team will see it and want to give them a 10-day when they have injuries.

I agree with you. There's no evidence or at least clear evidence that it's beneficial. But I think just recently now every team has their own G-League team, right? So it's a very recent trend enabled because of this 1:1 alignment.

I think what we're witnessing is the evolution of the g-league into more of a farm system. Things change, ya know?

If Jett comes out banging in the rotation as a sophomore, it's going to open a lot of eyes about this strategy. Which is why I think we can expect a clear path to playing time opened up for Jett.

[bigdogdylan5]

Read on Twitter

"Franz is going to take 30M per year." - some people

Definitely sets the tone for the cost. Makes our "cap space" not look so cap "spacey".

To be fair, the "up to $270M" part would only be if Barnes reaches All-NBA or DPOY or MVP, all of which seem highly unlikely.

So it's actually 5 years, $225M - 45M AAV.

But I would imagine anyone thinking Franz is gonna take 5/150 is going to be sadly, sadly mistaken.

I am interested to see all the people square Franz>Barnes but no full rookie max for Franz. Holding back the full rookie max for him was always a pipe dream imo. Hell this isn’t even the kicker we still have to see what Cade gets.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

his comment about 2nd round picks and having conversations with agents about what they (FO) want to do was interesting.

I'd almost guarantee they took Jett because he and his agent were fine being in G league all year and many other prospects were not interested in that. Probably could see the same thing with 18 this year and I'm ready to be baffled by the pick again

That’s been my theory surrounding Jett for awhile now (inb4 Cedric)

Got a time stamp regarding the 2nd round picks quote?

it's like one the last questions, 24 minutes

[tiderulz]

Just thinking...the fact that BRK hasn't already announced a new contract for Claxton means he COULD still hit the market. I assume BRK is just going to throw $25m at him and end the conversation before it gets started, but...

I just think the opportunity and fit are amazing in ORL. I don't want to overpay, but we are in position to front load a descending deal that would make the impact in a couple of years not so detrimental.

*AFTER we find our starting Lead Guard (preferably via trade to best manage cap)

I really hope Claxton hits the market. I'm torn between him or Klay in terms of fit. Klay provides veteran leadership in a critical role that we lack, while Claxton provides an upgrade over Goga as a rim protecting, aggressive big.

Maybe I'm being too concerned about price point but, imo, Hartenstein would be a small boost over WCJ...Claxton changes the whole defensive impact. ORL was already exceptional last season, largely based on aggressive perimeter D (even Isaac does most of his damage out there)...adding an elite rim protector behind that aggressive POA scheme would seem to compound the effect...allowing perimeter defenders to gamble and press EVEN MORE, knowing that getting past them just introduces another level of hell in the paint. Claxton is also really capable of switching out and sneaking back on an elite level. WCJ is surprisingly good at switching, given his sturdy build, but Claxton is closer to Isaac's level of agility & defensive instincts.

1) Draft night Trade with POR, add a pick if necessary to require them to take back some salary, enabling us to do what I mentioned above as well as add the guard we obtain from POR...
best: ORL sends Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, #48, and DEN 25 pick for Simons and #34
really good: ORL sends Cole Anthony, Houstan, ORL 26 frp (top 5), DEN 25 frp for Simons and #34
still pretty good: ORL sends Cole Anthony, ORL 25 frp (Top 8), and #48 for Brogdon and #34
* Draft Terrence Shannon at #18 (or McCain or Ja'Kobe Walter, if either drops)
* Draft Baylor Scheierman at #34 (if he's gone, maybe at 18?, take Dadiet or Tyson)

2) IF Claxton doesn't get re-signed quickly to BRK, maybe we could sign him to a 4yr $200m deal, as heavily frontloaded as possible, perhaps $30m next year, ultimately dropping as low as $20m in the final year. That might not be the terrible fiscal blunder that I'm fearing for anybody signed (especially an older guy) for more than 2 years. Claxton is young enough that you'd want to lock him up.

3) sign best available vet PG for less than $4m per...Kris Dunn is the best option, elite POA defender & recently added 3pt shooting

Claxton, WCJ, Mo. (that's just not fair big man depth)
Paolo, Isaac, WCJ
Franz, AB, Scheierman (#34)
Suggs, Shannon (#18), Queen
Simons, AB, Kris Dunn

would you not consider drafting someone like Daron Holmes? he is compared to Claxton. 6'10 235, decent passer, even showed 3 pt range his senior year (38%)

[Skybox]

I really hope Claxton hits the market. I'm torn between him or Klay in terms of fit. Klay provides veteran leadership in a critical role that we lack, while Claxton provides an upgrade over Goga as a rim protecting, aggressive big.

Maybe I'm being too concerned about price point but, imo, Hartenstein would be a small boost over WCJ...Claxton changes the whole defensive impact. ORL was already exceptional last season, largely based on aggressive perimeter D (even Isaac does most of his damage out there)...adding an elite rim protector behind that aggressive POA scheme would seem to compound the effect...allowing perimeter defenders to gamble and press EVEN MORE, knowing that getting past them just introduces another level of hell in the paint. Claxton is also really capable of switching out and sneaking back on an elite level. WCJ is surprisingly good at switching, given his sturdy build, but Claxton is closer to Isaac's level of agility & defensive instincts.

1) Draft night Trade with POR, add a pick if necessary to require them to take back some salary, enabling us to do what I mentioned above as well as add the guard we obtain from POR...
best: ORL sends Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, #48, and DEN 25 pick for Simons and #34
really good: ORL sends Cole Anthony, Houstan, ORL 26 frp (top 5), DEN 25 frp for Simons and #34
still pretty good: ORL sends Cole Anthony, ORL 25 frp (Top 8), and #48 for Brogdon and #34
* Draft Terrence Shannon at #18 (or McCain or Ja'Kobe Walter, if either drops)
* Draft Baylor Scheierman at #34 (if he's gone, maybe at 18?, take Dadiet or Tyson)

2) IF Claxton doesn't get re-signed quickly to BRK, maybe we could sign him to a 4yr $200m deal, as heavily frontloaded as possible, perhaps $30m next year, ultimately dropping as low as $20m in the final year. That might not be the terrible fiscal blunder that I'm fearing for anybody signed (especially an older guy) for more than 2 years. Claxton is young enough that you'd want to lock him up.

3) sign best available vet PG for less than $4m per...Kris Dunn is the best option, elite POA defender & recently added 3pt shooting

Claxton, WCJ, Mo. (that's just not fair big man depth)
Paolo, Isaac, WCJ
Franz, AB, Scheierman (#34)
Suggs, Shannon (#18), Queen
Simons, AB, Kris Dunn

would you not consider drafting someone like Daron Holmes? he is compared to Claxton. 6'10 235, decent passer, even showed 3 pt range his senior year (38%)

He's definitely intriguing...but a long stretch to just hope that a kind of skinny, small college kid becomes Claxton...He really is a good looking prospect though, especially if we find ourselves with a couple of picks somehow. I'm sure Paolo would prefer the one that's ready NOW...so would I.

[Skybox]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

Just imagine how good he'll be in 25-26 if we send him back to the G-League

[bigdogdylan5]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

I mean he didn’t have to say wildly successful he could have said successful so I am sure they think highly of Jett. Let’s pay attention to their actions. If they really believe in him they will leave some earnable minutes open for him.

I will take a front office that bullshits over one that posts trade scenarios on a white board and lets it go out on twitter on the personal account.

I think there are some legit criticisms of this front office. I think they are too conservative. I don’t mind that as much but I understand that argument. Their FAs having quite panned out mostly because they take swings on short deals. But the criticism I think is just plain dumb is that Weltman is too secretive and that there is a negative in that.

[pepe1991]

Shut out to people who belive Franz will sign below max

And what Banchero's contract will look like? 5 years, $300 M? Holly Jesus.

[eyriq]

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[GelbeWand09]

I legit laughed out loud at Weltman with a straight face saying Jett Howard's rookie season was "wildly successful"

I will take a front office that bullshits over one that posts trade scenarios on a white board and lets it go out on twitter on the personal account.

If you never make trades anyway (except a player wants out like AG), you don't need a white board.