Trent Vs Dick

[Thaddy]

I'm on the side of not bringing back Trent, even if it's for the MLE. The only deal I would somewhat consider is a Bruce Brown deal that would turn him into a massive expiring with a Team Option.

Trent's passing ability and being able to produce off the bench is a concern. Dick has shown he can make the right reads on offense and although he also sucks at finishing I would take him before Trent because he should get better physically as he ages. If you look at Dicks career high in assists it already exceeds anything Trent has done in several years.

Similarly on defense Trent isn't able to shutdown guards or take charges. He has issues staying in front of his man and he can't handle the ball. Other than making open threes he is a bad shooter when he's facing close outs by lengthy defenders. Dick has him beat there already in his rookie season, at a point in the season Gradey was one of our leaders in charges taken. Although Gradey can't regularly take charges and he lacks physicality it's a good flash that I expect to be consistent once he's in his early to mid 20s.

The issue can be summed up as:

Bringing back Trent Jr will lead to politics that means Gradey won't be a starter next season. Starting Dick and seeing if he can play winning basketball is imperative for our future success.

[Potential]

We don't need his 1 sided play anymore. It's time for him to go and let Gradey take over full time

[YogurtProducer]

Our team does not have enough talent to just let guys go. We have shooting deficiencies, and more than enough minutes to handle Gary and Gradey.

It is not a one or the other, both have their place if we want them to.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Trent's passing ability and being able to produce off the bench is a concern. Dick has shown he can make the right reads on offense and although he also sucks at finishing I would take him before Trent because he should get better physically as he ages. If you look at Dicks career high in assists it already exceeds anything Trent has done in several years.

I don't have the statistics available to me right now, but I didn't find that to be the case last year at all. I think he's actually got pretty good touch around the rim, and the body control to make tough hoops around defenders.

[Badonkadonk]

The team has limited shooting, and acquiring shooting on the open market will cost the MLE anyway. With the Monk deal, Trent will get something in that neighborhood.

I don't care for GTJ specifically, but he'll likely be back unless they can find shooting alternatives they like.

[JB7]

Dick was Trent's replacement last offseason. Masai didn't think (or hoped) GTJ would pick up his option.

[Scase]

I don't care one way or another as he's not really in the long term plans, but if re-signing him stops us from opening up cap space (if we don't pick up BB's option) for a trade then we should let him walk.

Regardless of keeping him or not, Gradey should be starting/getting much more burn this year.

[HumbleRen]

He shoots 40% on 3’s on high volume. Any team should want to keep that as a reasonable price.

People need to let go of their expectations of him, he’s not going to be that player we wanted him to be but he still has value in having a skillset that this team needs more of.

[Scase]

He shoots 40% on 3’s on high volume. Any team should want to keep that as a reasonable price.

People need to let go of their expectations of him, he’s not going to be that player we wanted him to be but he still has value in having a skillset that this team needs more of.

My issue is that he doesn't play like the player we need. 40% on 3 is great, but if he is putting the ball on the floor too much, or being god awful in the paint, it's not a huge boon. If he can be a 3p specialist who occasionally dribbles to the elbow for a jumper, sure. It's all the other stuff that is what people are not keen on.

I'd say maybe it's on the coaching to put him in the right spots, but he's had 2 coaches and the same issue here.

[Thaddy]

He shoots 40% on 3’s on high volume. Any team should want to keep that as a reasonable price.

People need to let go of their expectations of him, he’s not going to be that player we wanted him to be but he still has value in having a skillset that this team needs more of.

He shot 51% on open threes and 28% on anything that was even slightly contested.

[mtcan]

As long as Gary is cool about not starting by end of whatever contract he gets...I'll take him back.

Gradey should be the starter of the future if not already this fall.

[ArthurVandelay]

Gary on a minimum? Sign me up

Otherwise I take Dick all day everyday

[sbsat]

I was going to say that monk is better than trent jr but just looking at the numbers, they are very similar. Monk's contract is what GTJ should be offered

[Thaddy]

I was going to say that monk is better than trent jr but just looking at the numbers, they are very similar. Monk's contract is what GTJ should be offered

Monk can finish and handle the ball much better than Trent and he doesn't get his feelings hurt coming off the bench.

[will]

Gradey Reed Dick.

Please say the Reed.

[ChillRelaxDude]

I don't see a scenario where it has to be either or. Both players can remain without creating a logjam. I have crazy high ambitions for Gradey over the next couple of seasons. I'm expecting him to be playing more minutes with the starting line-up than playing beside Trent Jr.

I look at Trent Jr like I did Terrence Ross. Good shooter from the bench, a spot starter, occasional D, and a player who has a contract that can help bring in our next Ibaka. I'm cool with keeping him.

[YogurtProducer]

I don't see a scenario where it has to be either or. Both players can remain without creating a logjam. I have crazy high ambitions for Gradey over the next couple of seasons. I'm expecting him to be playing more minutes with the starting line-up than playing beside Trent Jr.

I look at Trent Jr like I did Terrence Ross. Good shooter from the bench, a spot starter, occasional D, and a player who has a contract that can help bring in our next Ibaka. I'm cool with keeping him.

This is a big thing.

Re-signing GTJ does not mean you have to keep him for the entirety of the contract.

[will]

PAUSE to the thread title.

[YogurtProducer]

He shoots 40% on 3’s on high volume. Any team should want to keep that as a reasonable price.

People need to let go of their expectations of him, he’s not going to be that player we wanted him to be but he still has value in having a skillset that this team needs more of.

He shot 51% on open threes and 28% on anything that was even slightly contested.

Big outlier year though. He historically has been about 41-42% on wide open 3', and 36ish% on just "open". This past season was an anomaly in that regard

[Tor_Raps]

Teent has been stuffing his stats when games become meaningless and is a total no show when games actually matter.

Everything about him screams "losing type player" but even with that said, I would still take him back on a 3/45 deal. Simply because he's still only 25 years old and could have value if he isn't totally sucking by the trade deadline.