Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 6.0

[JoshuaPotter]

Just came in from a 3 week cig break. Have I missed anything?

Thousands of posts and yet... You've missed nothing haha

The battle between the "aggressive builders" and "organic developers" has been entertaining though.

I added a few lines to the drinking game too....

Might be worth it to avoid though. Your liver will appreciate it.

[RichCollab]

Shut out to people who belive Franz will sign below max

And what Banchero's contract will look like? 5 years, $300 M? Holly Jesus.

Paolo will agree to a designated player max next summer and it will go into effect in the summer of 2026.

The cap in the summer of 2026 is projected to be 170.6M.

If Paolo earns All-NBA honors, DPOY or MVP in either of the next two seasons, he will be able to sign for 30% of the $170.6M cap in year 1.

That contract would start at $51.18M and would get 8% increases each year... so it would be 5 years, $300M.

But if he does not make the All-NBA team or win DPOY or win MVP in either of the next two seasons, he'll sign for 25% of the $170.6M cap in year 1.

That contract would start at just $42.65M and would get 8% increases each year... so it would be 5 years, $250M.

Derrick Rose rule!
It's kind a funny that you have to hope your best player does not turn into MVP nor all nba team member especially because of megamax eligibility after rookie exstension

I have zero issues paying Paolo all nba money when he makes it.

Thank god we have an all nba player again.

[pepe1991]

G-League is going to be treated as a development league for a while. It's a new trend. Whether it's a viable player development strategy or not will be seen. It's a little early to be saying it's a success or a failure right now. There was an article about this last year. I forget where I read it. Probably the Ringer, but they basically went into an introduction of this new strategy for player development. Draft and stash in the g-league is here to stay for a while anyway.

D/G league exists for 23 years.

Average age of Osceola Magic is 26.
Nets G league roster average age - 24
Pistons -25
OKC- 25
Hornets almost 27

What development are we talking about here? That's whole bunch of people in mid 20s who make majoriy of those rosters.

G league is boring sideshow / semi amateur league for NBA. it's like watching u20 soccer teams ,but instad of being young & developing, you watch bunch of people who are almost 30 and nobody is developing.
And games hold no value, championship holds no value,. They essencially just play to showcase themselfs.

[The Real Dalic]

G-League is going to be treated as a development league for a while. It's a new trend. Whether it's a viable player development strategy or not will be seen. It's a little early to be saying it's a success or a failure right now. There was an article about this last year. I forget where I read it. Probably the Ringer, but they basically went into an introduction of this new strategy for player development. Draft and stash in the g-league is here to stay for a while anyway.

D/G league exists for 23 years.

Average age of Osceola Magic is 26.
Nets G league roster average age - 24
Pistons -25
OKC- 25
Hornets almost 27

What development are we talking about here? That's whole bunch of people in mid 20s who make majoriy of those rosters.

G league is boring sideshow / semi amateur league for NBA. it's like watching u20 soccer teams ,but instad of being young & developing, you watch bunch of people who are almost 30 and nobody is developing.
And games hold no value, championship holds no value,. They essencially just play to showcase themselfs.

I bet you would find the same age average in the MLB where every single pick is put into the Minors every time.

The G-League is slowly turning into a form of the MLB's Minor League system. But in the NBA, it will really only be for raw prospects or for rookies on good teams like the Magic.

[OnlyFranz22]

How do we feel about Marcus Smart?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

You’ve got the Celtics FO wheeling and dealing and we won’t even trade expirings rofl.

The Celtics were set to trade Malcolm Brogdon to the Los Angeles Clippers, while the Washington Wizards would have acquired Marcus Morris and the No. 30 pick in the draft. Boston also was sending Danilo Gallinari to Washington to make the contracts work. The Clippers backed out of the trade after flagging an issue with Brogdon medically.

If the trade with the Clippers would have been agreed upon, Boston was going to trade Marcus Smart to the Memphis Grizzlies for Tyus Jones and two first round picks. The Celtics instead pivoted to combine their two separate transactions with the Grizzlies and Wizards into one deal, which sent Jones to Washington, and allowed Boston to keep Brogdon.

The Celtics ultimately used Brogdon in their trade for Holiday in September.

[yoyojw17]

G-League is going to be treated as a development league for a while. It's a new trend. Whether it's a viable player development strategy or not will be seen. It's a little early to be saying it's a success or a failure right now. There was an article about this last year. I forget where I read it. Probably the Ringer, but they basically went into an introduction of this new strategy for player development. Draft and stash in the g-league is here to stay for a while anyway.

D/G league exists for 23 years.

Average age of Osceola Magic is 26.
Nets G league roster average age - 24
Pistons -25
OKC- 25
Hornets almost 27

What development are we talking about here? That's whole bunch of people in mid 20s who make majoriy of those rosters.

G league is boring sideshow / semi amateur league for NBA. it's like watching u20 soccer teams ,but instad of being young & developing, you watch bunch of people who are almost 30 and nobody is developing.
And games hold no value, championship holds no value,. They essencially just play to showcase themselfs.

There's tons of reasons other than just experience. But experience is one of them. There is a reason that all teams pretty much have an affiliate team. These teams will be coached by people that follow similar lead team philosophies and the players are growing in that sense. Some players need more reps doing things that they are working on. Some players need a time for their bodies to continue growing. But it's an opportunity for the lead team to get these kids in and give them extra room to grow .... Under their supervision. And there's not always room on the main team to give them that room to learn on the fly. I think it's not a bad idea when utilized appropriately.

[dsg2021]

Get me Mikal Bridges in a three way with HOU. HOU needs big incentives because we’re basically trying to get BRK’s 1sts back. Along with their cap space and other extra little goodies.

BRK basically trades into cap space while HOU picks up some fantastic pieces like WCJ, Black, and 1sts that don’t break the bank of future contract extensions.

Go for one or two diamond in the rough big men in the draft, looking for a home run based on fit and a little less so on high end all star potential.

Come out with a core of;

Suggs
Mikal
Franz
Paolo
Isaac

And not completely mortgaged picks. Have great health and easy chemistry on the way to a surprise title run in 2025.

Extend core four and build out MLE’s and smaller deals, signings and drafts to strengthen roster over the years. Franz is the point guard the most often. Paolo a little bit less so as he is the 30 ppg star scorer.

[RookieStar]

Get me Mikal Bridges in a three way with HOU. HOU needs big incentives because we’re basically trying to get BRK’s 1sts back. Along with their cap space and other extra little goodies.

BRK basically trades into cap space while HOU picks up some fantastic pieces like WCJ, Black, and 1sts that don’t break the bank of future contract extensions.

Go for one or two diamond in the rough big men in the draft, looking for a home run based on fit and a little less so on high end all star potential.

Come out with a core of;

Suggs
Mikal
Franz
Paolo
Isaac

And not completely mortgaged picks. Have great health and easy chemistry on the way to a surprise title run in 2025.

Extend core four and build out MLE’s and smaller deals, signings and drafts to strengthen roster over the years. Franz is the point guard the most often. Paolo a little bit less so as he is the 30 ppg star scorer.

Im with you. The trade target for a guard i want is Mikal. Problem is... BKN is gonna ask for a kings ransom compared to a guy like Simons

[anothermagicfan]

The only possible way that Jetts first season (spent mostly in the g league) can be considered wildly successful is if he has all the necessary skills and attributes to become a great player but lacked the motivation, and thus spending the time in the g league lit a fire under his *** to work harder and be more dedicated to the game. I don't know the kid so I can't say but that's the only logical reason that a rookie picked where he was picked has a "wildly successful" first season in the NBA uh I mean g league

[anothermagicfan]

Shut out to people who belive Franz will sign below max

And what Banchero's contract will look like? 5 years, $300 M? Holly Jesus.

Paolo will agree to a designated player max next summer and it will go into effect in the summer of 2026.

The cap in the summer of 2026 is projected to be 170.6M.

If Paolo earns All-NBA honors, DPOY or MVP in either of the next two seasons, he will be able to sign for 30% of the $170.6M cap in year 1.

That contract would start at $51.18M and would get 8% increases each year... so it would be 5 years, $300M.

But if he does not make the All-NBA team or win DPOY or win MVP in either of the next two seasons, he'll sign for 25% of the $170.6M cap in year 1.

That contract would start at just $42.65M and would get 8% increases each year... so it would be 5 years, $250M.

That's it PB needs a minutes restriction lol.

I'm kidding. Don't send the mob after me lol.

[RichCollab]

Get me Mikal Bridges in a three way with HOU. HOU needs big incentives because we’re basically trying to get BRK’s 1sts back. Along with their cap space and other extra little goodies.

BRK basically trades into cap space while HOU picks up some fantastic pieces like WCJ, Black, and 1sts that don’t break the bank of future contract extensions.

Go for one or two diamond in the rough big men in the draft, looking for a home run based on fit and a little less so on high end all star potential.

Come out with a core of;

Suggs
Mikal
Franz
Paolo
Isaac

And not completely mortgaged picks. Have great health and easy chemistry on the way to a surprise title run in 2025.

Extend core four and build out MLE’s and smaller deals, signings and drafts to strengthen roster over the years. Franz is the point guard the most often. Paolo a little bit less so as he is the 30 ppg star scorer.

Im with you. The trade target for a guard i want is Mikal. Problem is... BKN is gonna ask for a kings ransom compared to a guy like Simons

Simons isn’t a great player.

[Skybox]

The only possible way that Jetts first season (spent mostly in the g league) can be considered wildly successful is if he has all the necessary skills and attributes to become a great player but lacked the motivation, and thus spending the time in the g league lit a fire under his *** to work harder and be more dedicated to the game. I don't know the kid so I can't say but that's the only logical reason that a rookie picked where he was picked has a "wildly successful" first season in the NBA uh I mean g league

I'd say it was wildly successful for a 19yo to make $5,000,000 to play basketball against a YMCA men's team.

[anothermagicfan]

The only possible way that Jetts first season (spent mostly in the g league) can be considered wildly successful is if he has all the necessary skills and attributes to become a great player but lacked the motivation, and thus spending the time in the g league lit a fire under his *** to work harder and be more dedicated to the game. I don't know the kid so I can't say but that's the only logical reason that a rookie picked where he was picked has a "wildly successful" first season in the NBA uh I mean g league

I'd say it was wildly successful for a 19yo to make $5,000,000 to play basketball against a YMCA men's team.

Not if you're his GM.

Yes the 19 year old might think that's a successful season if he's an immature dumb***.

Even the 19 year old player should realize the potential scope of the next contract and know that playing against the YMCA isn't going to cut it

[Skybox]

The only possible way that Jetts first season (spent mostly in the g league) can be considered wildly successful is if he has all the necessary skills and attributes to become a great player but lacked the motivation, and thus spending the time in the g league lit a fire under his *** to work harder and be more dedicated to the game. I don't know the kid so I can't say but that's the only logical reason that a rookie picked where he was picked has a "wildly successful" first season in the NBA uh I mean g league

I'd say it was wildly successful for a 19yo to make $5,000,000 to play basketball against a YMCA men's team.

Not if you're his GM.

Yes the 19 year old might think that's a successful season if he's an immature dumb***.

Even the 19 year old player should realize the potential scope of the next contract and know that playing against the YMCA isn't going to cut it

I'm afraid that sometimes people aren't as clever as they think they are...whether it's a high-level recruit and his allegedly experienced agent agreeing to waste a year or a GM who thinks that makes sense and pitches it...even though the kid was drafted to fill a gaping hole in his team's skillset. Kind of like taking immense pride in nobody knowing who they were going to pick at #1 the year before...there was a lot of commentary about how unprecedented that was, but not necessarily a compliment.

I think you're right that Jett Howard has been devalued personally. He (who may be an awesome player) can't be taken seriously as a prospect or valued as a trade chip because he lived in Kissimmee all year. Rationalizing that into some genius win-win will never hold water. Sometimes things are unprecedented for a good reason.

[SOUL]

I think it's clear that that comment from Welt is BS lol.

That being said, if you're asking me whether I'd want less wins (and play-in) prioritizing Jett's development/"value" versus the guys who are ready as young players already experiencing the playoffs, I'm taking the latter all day.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I think it's clear that that comment from Welt is BS lol.

That being said, if you're asking me whether I'd want less wins (and play-in) prioritizing Jett's development/"value" versus the guys who are ready as young players already experiencing the playoffs, I'm taking the latter all day.

It’s the snarky way he continues to say we’ll go down both paths. Develop youth & make playoffs.

Like dude Fultz shouldn’t have been here and definitely not getting minutes last ASB. Don’t tell me AB was put in a good spot and was happy this past year.

He thinks he’s the smartest person in the room and we’re all dumb.

[SOUL]

I think it's clear that that comment from Welt is BS lol.

That being said, if you're asking me whether I'd want less wins (and play-in) prioritizing Jett's development/"value" versus the guys who are ready as young players already experiencing the playoffs, I'm taking the latter all day.

It’s the snarky way he continues to say we’ll go down both paths. Develop youth & make playoffs.

Like dude Fultz shouldn’t have been here and definitely not getting minutes last ASB. Don’t tell me AB was put in a good spot and was happy this past year.

He thinks he’s the smartest person in the room and we’re all dumb.

He is a bit smarmy, but I think he also knows the slow burn approach they're taking will only last so long in terms of patience from fans.

However, I do think there are a lot of fans uncomfortable with an "organic rebuild" even though it's been a net positive. And fans themselves don't really know what they want either. We want a bunch of guys coming in to win at the cost of AB and Jett minutes next year, but we also are mad they didn't play enough last year and have a worse record? And yes, playing five guys under 22 will give you a worse record, no matter how much people hated Gary Harris and Fultz/Ingles minutes.

I just think there is like way too much talk about Jett and AB on this board. It's the equivalent of the Pacers offseason discussions being about Jarace Walker over Hali and Siakam. There is absolutely room for both. Celtics competed and brought along young guys since 2017 with Tatum, Brown, Grant Will, Robert Will, Pritchard, Nesmith. They flipped some of them after a few seasons, yes, and they also didn't find all the minutes they could for some of them either. They've also made more moves, but they didn't start off from a complete rebuild like we did either. They had an All-Star in IT and two top three draft picks from the Nets coming in to a team already getting 48-50 wins.

The way I look at it, at some point, changes/upgrades/tinkering will be a constant on this team. The talent & improvement of Paolo, Franz and Suggs beg for it and they don't want to lose them. But the players themselves were preaching patience and step by step improvement more than the fans, some of which were panicking about Paolo moving to Seattle if we didn't overhaul the roster his rookie year, with trades that included Suggs and Isaac because of impatience. Funny how waiting a year in the cases of those two suddenly isn't a bad thing.

Also, cap management is going to be super important the next few years. I do think they want to bring in more talent and upgrade a lot of the roster, I just don't think they are signaling to go all-in at this exact second, nor should they unless we're acquiring a player at their lowest value.

The panic, for me, will start if they completely botch getting the right pieces around our best players when we're actually contenders, or if we make a horrible trade that leaves us bare of assets for a player that doesn't move the needle. But there absolutely has to be a plan in place.

[eyriq]

I think they really do envision stashing Jett in the g-league as a stage in his development path.

Why is that hard to believe?

And then if that's a stage in his development path and he exceeds expectations, you grade him accordingly. I don't get why we think Weltman is lying to us. What would he be trying to save face from?

Do you believe that we brought in Jett to training camp and he flunked and got kicked out to the G League?

[RookieStar]

Get me Mikal Bridges in a three way with HOU. HOU needs big incentives because we’re basically trying to get BRK’s 1sts back. Along with their cap space and other extra little goodies.

BRK basically trades into cap space while HOU picks up some fantastic pieces like WCJ, Black, and 1sts that don’t break the bank of future contract extensions.

Go for one or two diamond in the rough big men in the draft, looking for a home run based on fit and a little less so on high end all star potential.

Come out with a core of;

Suggs
Mikal
Franz
Paolo
Isaac

And not completely mortgaged picks. Have great health and easy chemistry on the way to a surprise title run in 2025.

Extend core four and build out MLE’s and smaller deals, signings and drafts to strengthen roster over the years. Franz is the point guard the most often. Paolo a little bit less so as he is the 30 ppg star scorer.

Im with you. The trade target for a guard i want is Mikal. Problem is... BKN is gonna ask for a kings ransom compared to a guy like Simons

Simons isn’t a great player.

Oh i know. Thats why i was never high on him. Buuutttt... he isnt gonna command the same value as Mikal of we do decide to get him.