Netaman wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:OxAndFox wrote:Yeah, just no, again, DFS is not on Caruso's level. In any part of the game.
Not only is Caruso significantly better, I mean we are talking arguably the best guard/wing defender in the league vs a decent one. That is a huge difference here. We can't say well looking at the stats Jimmy Butler and Brandon Ingram are almost identical, they are a similar type of player.. We know that Jimmy makes a significant impact that Ingram doesn't, even if the stats say he does.
Also I don't know who the hell Slater is or if that report is even reputable. Also how did Chicago value Giddey? In most worlds maybe 13 was an overpay but they felt Giddey still had some untouched potential. That's also a team who seems anti-rebuild even though they should, so I can see how they felt Giddey immediate impact would outweigh #13.
I still stand by the fact no team is giving any lotto pick in any draft for DFS. But I'm fairly certain Brooklyn is going to trade him within the next few days so i'll be prepared to eat crow.
There's a pretty vast amount of daylight between "not worth a lotto pick" (which I'd generally agree with) and predicting his cost at a few 2nd rounders like Jae Crowder in a year he wasn't even playing (0% chance Nets do that unless it's connected to facilitating some other move). Especially if we just saw Caruso with just 1 year left effectively bring back something closer to the value of a top 10 pick.
I've said from my first post I think the comps very clearly support a value about 5-10 picks lower than #13 based on a variety of comps in prior drafts (many with direct trades made by Marks like Thad, Royce, Prince, etc).
How much does the weak draft or attaching additional assets like Sharpe/2nd round picks increase the Nets ability to move up farther than normal? I don't know but I can pretty much guarantee they won't just dump him for 2nds.
DFS is essentially on a 1/15. He has a player option for year 2. If he has a good year you can almost bet hes going to opt out for long term security, where if he has a bad year you aren't going to want that opt in.
Also the whole pt is that this isn't a good comp. These 2 player aren't in the same world.
I've said from the start, DFS is probably worth a late 1st. It's closer to talk about what how many more 2nds does sac need to add to the Portland 2nd to get to DFS, than what 2nds Brooklyn can add to get to 13.
But this is a pointless back and forth. We seem to agree on his real valuation. You just don't see the difference between 13 and mid 20s being significant, I do.