2024 NBA Draft Thread, part 2 – (June 26 & 27)

[djFan71]

If Brad Stevens is going to keep giving away 1st round picks then he might as well put 2024 and 2026 1st round picks together and go get something good.

It's tough with no salary and no aggregation.

[redslastlaugh]

Speculation that Celts could package their first round pick for a “veteran big man.” If this speculation is sourced, the two big men that come to my mind that would work under the 2nd apron trade rules are

Dayron Sharpe
Santi Aldama

Jaden Springer + #30 for one of these bigs would be my speculation …

NBC Sports Boston Darren Hartwell points out that while the previous drafts picking late in the round have served well -- Payton Pritchard and Robert Williams, for example -- there's no guarantee Boston even picks at the No. 30 pick if the right big man emerges on the trade market.

“Boston has had success in the back half of the draft before, selecting Robert Williams 27th overall in 2018 and Payton Pritchard at No. 26 in 2020, so there's a case to be made for trying to replicate that success in this draft,” Hartwell prefaced before saying, “On the other hand, the Celtics are in full "win now" mode, so if they can package the No. 30 pick in a deal that lands them a veteran big man, for example, that would be hard to turn down.”

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/posts/boston-celtics-trade-no-30-pick-veteran-big-man-reporter

Spoiler:

Christian Wood

Ok sure, Christian Wood if you want to make it nine different teams for him… lol

Other guys who would fit money wise are
Jaylin Williams from OKC
Charles Bassey from the Spurs (coming off an ACL injury and prolly not worth a late first)
Duop Reath who was a find in Portland

[Fierce1]

If Brad Stevens is going to keep giving away 1st round picks then he might as well put 2024 and 2026 1st round picks together and go get something good.

It's tough with no salary and no aggregation.

True.

Cs can't even do a sign and trade anymore.

[Celts17Pride]

If Brad Stevens is going to keep giving away 1st round picks then he might as well put 2024 and 2026 1st round picks together and go get something good.

It's tough with no salary and no aggregation.

You can move up in the draft.

[165bows]

Speculation that Celts could package their first round pick for a “veteran big man.” If this speculation is sourced, the two big men that come to my mind that would work under the 2nd apron trade rules are

Dayron Sharpe
Santi Aldama

Jaden Springer + #30 for one of these bigs would be my speculation …



https://hardwoodhoudini.com/posts/boston-celtics-trade-no-30-pick-veteran-big-man-reporter

Spoiler:

Christian Wood

Ok sure, Christian Wood if you want to make it nine different teams for him… lol

Other guys who would fit money wise are
Jaylin Williams from OKC
Charles Bassey from the Spurs (coming off an ACL injury and prolly not worth a late first)
Duop Reath who was a find in Portland

Dwight Powell.

Walker Kessler.

Thomas Bryant.

[Celts17Pride]

I would try hard to get Santi Aldama if I could. Perfect backup PF for the Celtics.

Porzingis, Horford, Queta, (Kornet or Tillman)
Tatum, Aldama

What big men issues?

Aldama is 6'11" and 35% three point shooter at 23 years old.

[redslastlaugh]

And also we could just sign a big man FA to a veteran minimum, and then you’re talking the Andre Drummonds and Alex Lens of the world and we keep our #30 pick.

Like I mentioned Charles Bassey, that guys not worth even a late first, so at some point you just keep the pick and sign whomever for depth off the scrap heap.

That’s why in the original post Santi Aldama and Dayron Sharpe were the names mentioned. They’re worth a first theoretically.

[djFan71]

If Brad Stevens is going to keep giving away 1st round picks then he might as well put 2024 and 2026 1st round picks together and go get something good.

It's tough with no salary and no aggregation.

You can move up in the draft.

What is this, the draft thread or something? For some reason I was thinking just trades and FA, lol.

[Celts17Pride]

It's tough with no salary and no aggregation.

You can move up in the draft.

What is this, the draft thread or something? For some reason I was thinking just trades and FA, lol.

We are in a championship window. Brad Stevens needs to be bold.

Memphis trades Aldama to Boston for Springer and the 2026 first round pick (lottery protected)

Celtics draft best wing available with the 30th pick (someone who can shoot Scheierman, Tyson, Christie etc. or defense with Ryan Dunn)

[165bows]

You can move up in the draft.

What is this, the draft thread or something? For some reason I was thinking just trades and FA, lol.

We are in a championship window. Brad Stevens needs to be bold.

Memphis trades Aldama to Boston for Springer and the 2026 first round pick (lottery protected)
Celtics draft best wing available with the 30th pick (someone who can shoot or Ryan Dunn)

I’m all for bringing a solid contributor in. But he’s a career .553TS% offense guy (career -70.7TS added) so imo would want him to be better for a first. He’s tempting but they’d need to work their three point shooting mojo on him.

[165bows]

#30 for Duop Reath and #34?

[djFan71]

You can move up in the draft.

What is this, the draft thread or something? For some reason I was thinking just trades and FA, lol.

We are in a championship window. Brad Stevens needs to be bold.

Memphis trades Aldama to Boston for Springer and the 2026 first round pick (lottery protected)
Celtics draft best wing available with the 30th pick (someone who can shoot or Ryan Dunn)

I'm meh on Aldama, rather keep Springer, tbh. But I agree with the sentiment and have proposed trade ups many times.

I'm less excited about draft trade up now that I've studied more. I just don't have a strong trade up candidate. Da Silva I've soured on a touch due to D (still love a lot else) and he's just gonna go too high. I still like Holmes and Tyson a lot. If trade up and grab any of them, I'd be psyched, but I'd be just as happy staying put, or trading back at this point.

The evergreen POR trade back and getting Ajay Mitchell, that guy I'm not posting about again today or a few other options actually sounds best to me at this point.

[Celts17Pride]

What is this, the draft thread or something? For some reason I was thinking just trades and FA, lol.

We are in a championship window. Brad Stevens needs to be bold.

Memphis trades Aldama to Boston for Springer and the 2026 first round pick (lottery protected)
Celtics draft best wing available with the 30th pick (someone who can shoot or Ryan Dunn)

I’m all for bringing a solid contributor in. But he’s a career .553TS% offense guy (career -70.7TS added) so imo would want him to be better for a first. He’s tempting but they’d need to work their three point shooting mojo on him.

It's really the idea that I am presenting. If you are not going to value the first round picks then trade them and get something that can help right now.

[keevsnick1]

Trading down into the second round really does not add that much more financial flexibility. The rookie scale for the 30th pick this year is like 2.0 million, assuming the guys signs for 120% scale that's a deal starting at about 2.4 million for the 30th pick. For comparison the 35th pick last year signed for a deal starting at 1.6 million. We're talking 800K in salary savings. Now you CAN get more creative on the deal in terms of guarantees and options, but high second round picks usually get the first two years guaranteed anyway. So really, there's not much different unless you trade down to around 40 in which case guys will sign for a bit less, like Jordan Walsh last year.

But really all it is tax savings, trading down just to save some money would be a tad bit disappointing when the salary of the 30th vs 40th pick makes no difference in terms of what the team can actually do roster construction wise. If they do trade 30 it should be because they get good value for it.

Considering they proactively added Jaden Springer’s next years $4 million salary at last trade deadline rather than pick at 41 which a draftee picked 41 would start at like $1.1 million, they can’t be too concerned about the books.

I tend to agree they will spend more than a lot of people think.

But there is another element of roster spots - I don't think they can put a 1st rounder on a two-way whereas they can agree to that with a second rounder. So if they trade back they can add the guy on a two-way and save a roster spot, otherwise roster space is pretty darn tight.

Most early second round picks still end up on guaranteed contracts, guys taken in the top 40 don't usually accept 2-ways. But also the C's only have 11 guys under contract for next season right now, and one of those is Queta. So i doubt they are very worried about roster spots, they should be using one of the 4 available spots on a developmental young guy regardless.

[keevsnick1]

We are in a championship window. Brad Stevens needs to be bold.

Memphis trades Aldama to Boston for Springer and the 2026 first round pick (lottery protected)
Celtics draft best wing available with the 30th pick (someone who can shoot or Ryan Dunn)

I’m all for bringing a solid contributor in. But he’s a career .553TS% offense guy (career -70.7TS added) so imo would want him to be better for a first. He’s tempting but they’d need to work their three point shooting mojo on him.

It's really the idea that I am presenting. If you are not going to value the first round picks then trade them and get something that can help right now.

I'd be pretty disappointed if the idea is just to trade down from 30 to like 36 and get some future seconds. Extra draft picks are nice, they provide flexibility, but at some point you need to start developing young guys if you want this team to be sustainable in the long term.

I'd be fine with almost any other scenario. If you want to trade it for a cost controlled young guy you like that's great. A cost-controlled vet you think will help now is fine as well. I'd even be fine with trading it for a future first, because that might have some upside. What i don't want to see is yet another 30 for late thirties second + future second round pick type trade.

[165bows]

Considering they proactively added Jaden Springer’s next years $4 million salary at last trade deadline rather than pick at 41 which a draftee picked 41 would start at like $1.1 million, they can’t be too concerned about the books.

I tend to agree they will spend more than a lot of people think.

But there is another element of roster spots - I don't think they can put a 1st rounder on a two-way whereas they can agree to that with a second rounder. So if they trade back they can add the guy on a two-way and save a roster spot, otherwise roster space is pretty darn tight.

Most early second round picks still end up on guaranteed contracts, guys taken in the top 40 don't usually accept 2-ways. But also the C's only have 11 guys under contract for next season right now, and one of those is Queta. So i doubt they are very worried about roster spots, they should be using one of the 4 available on a developmental young guy regardless.

Eh at least two of those spots are going to experienced guys who can play C on a regular basis, they only have one or two spots max.

[darrendaye]

If Nets ask me for 30 and Springer, Clowney is the name I put out there.

[emajic11]

I suspect with this year's new two-night draft format, some teams will want to jump up a few slots to #30 to nab someone who slipped and not wait overnight when all the media are hyping prospects who dropped. Something like Brad trades #30 to Indiana, who traded their first in the Siakam deal, for #36 and the Dallas 2028 2nd rounder.

[djFan71]

If Nets ask me for 30 and Springer, Clowney is the name I put out there.

Dial tone is probably the sound you hear, but I like it. He was my guy with Walsh last draft.

[Parliament10]

As long as we are in Win-Now mode, with the "Six-Pack", I doubt that Stevens will keep a 1st Rounder.
Maybe in 4 or 5 years, when and if there's a decline.