PHX Sac

[jredsaz]

Maybe.

I mean SI has you drafting a point guard and for a team that needs to win now Mitchell is clearly the better player. He can stay in front of quick guards like Fox and stay attached to Steph,

Unlikely anyone you draft at 22 is contributing this year. Most are a year or 2 away and you don’t have a year or two.

I mean SI can mock all they want. This draft is flat and incredibly unpredictable. I expect the Suns move the pick, get a more win now role player or two and get some second rounders. How exactly that plays out idk.

So I will play along. Let’s say you want Brook Lopez.

You can’t aggregate salaries. Your options to trade are
Nurkic at 18M , 19M
Allen at 15M, 16M, 18M
Little at 6M, 7M, 8M

Nurkic is negative value, Little is not bringing a bigger contributor who is paid at 6M

You trading Allen and 22?? If you are good trading Allen I could see it.

For that you get Demi Advija or Grant Williams.

If you aren’t trading Allen for the value of Littles contract the Kings can trade you Sasha??

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/player/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total

I agree, we can’t get Lopez lol. Can’t technically trade Allen til October either which makes packaging him with a 24 pick basically out of the question.

[jredsaz]

So I will play along. Let’s say you want Brook Lopez.

You can’t aggregate salaries. Your options to trade are
Nurkic at 18M , 19M
Allen at 15M, 16M, 18M
Little at 6M, 7M, 8M

Nurkic is negative value, Little is not bringing a bigger contributor who is paid at 6M

You trading Allen and 22?? If you are good trading Allen I could see it.

That’s not what he’s saying.. let’s say someone like Eddy is there at 22. Suns could possibly move that 1st in a deal like 22 + future 2nd + Little for Kessler + 31 or 22 for 24 + 25.. then trade 24 or 25 for a high 2nd + role player..

Kessler who? You can’t take $1 over whom you send out and you can’t aggregate players.

Kessler makes less that Little. McDaniels in Toronto might work too. Blazers have some cheap deals and would love to get Toumari back. Anyway, there is wiggle room. Not much but they can get creative.

[Sactowndog]

That’s not what he’s saying.. let’s say someone like Eddy is there at 22. Suns could possibly move that 1st in a deal like 22 + future 2nd + Little for Kessler + 31 or 22 for 24 + 25.. then trade 24 or 25 for a high 2nd + role player..

Kessler who? You can’t take $1 over whom you send out and you can’t aggregate players.

Kessler makes less that Little. McDaniels in Toronto might work too. Blazers have some cheap deals and would love to get Toumari back. Anyway, there is wiggle room. Not much but they can get creative.

Walker Kessler? You seriously think Utah is trading him for Little and 22? And no the 2nd Apron makes getting creative very hard.

[Sactowndog]

I mean seriously your best bet is with the Kings in either instance.

Vezenkov + 22 for Little + 45

Or

Davion.

[jredsaz]

Kessler who? You can’t take $1 over whom you send out and you can’t aggregate players.

Kessler makes less that Little. McDaniels in Toronto might work too. Blazers have some cheap deals and would love to get Toumari back. Anyway, there is wiggle room. Not much but they can get creative.

Walker Kessler? You seriously think Utah is trading him for Little and 22? And no the 2nd Apron makes getting creative very hard.

Kessler got benched last season. Don’t think it’s out of the question. And actually the second apron forces creativity.

[jredsaz]

I mean seriously your best bet is with the Kings in either instance.

Vezenkov + 22 for Little + 45

Or

Davion.

I don’t think either of those guys are worth it for the Suns. Davion and multiple seconds including 45? Maybe but again, I think they will have better options elsewhere.

[schaffy]

Unlikely anyone you draft at 22 is not contributing this year. Most are a year or 2 away and you don’t have a year or two.

I mean, no?? It really all depends on what you are targeting (BPA vs fit/need) but lots of experienced college players are able to step right in and fill a role in the rotation, even if its just a regular season role at 1st. Just look at the last draft and look 4 picks ahead of 22 and 4 picks behind. Those 9 slots are a wide selection of experienced college guys and 1 and done college players that went to playoff teams and lottery-bound teams. The experienced college guys largely were at least rotation players this year -- Jaquez, Podziemski, Sasser, Murray, Sheppard. OMax-Prosper was the only guy who played more than 1 year in college and wasnt part of the rotation. Then you have the one and done guys who didnt pick up nearly as many minutes and are seen as more developmental players. You can't just paint with such a wide brush when it comes to pick 22. Is it likely to be a superstar -- no. But if a team wants it can find higher floor, lower ceiling players to come right in an play a role. I would not anticipate this draft to be any different.

[Crives]

Unlikely anyone you draft at 22 is not contributing this year. Most are a year or 2 away and you don’t have a year or two.

I mean, no?? It really all depends on what you are targeting (BPA vs fit/need) but lots of experienced college players are able to step right in and fill a role in the rotation, even if its just a regular season role at 1st. Just look at the last draft and look 4 picks ahead of 22 and 4 picks behind. Those 9 slots are a wide selection of experienced college guys and 1 and done college players that went to playoff teams and lottery-bound teams. The experienced college guys largely were at least rotation players this year -- Jaquez, Podziemski, Sasser, Murray, Sheppard. OMax-Prosper was the only guy who played more than 1 year in college and wasnt part of the rotation. Then you have the one and done guys who didnt pick up nearly as many minutes and are seen as more developmental players. You can't just paint with such a wide brush when it comes to pick 22. Is it likely to be a superstar -- no. But if a team wants it can find higher floor, lower ceiling players to come right in an play a role. I would not anticipate this draft to be any different.

Lots of guys in the 22-40 range that look ready to contribute immediately (especially for a bench / support role around phx stars)

Guys potentially available at 22 ready to help now
-Eddy
-Silva
-Kolek
-Ware
- Holmes
- TSJ
-Baylor

Tons of names available a little later that can also potentially help if phx trades down

[OGSactownballer]

Kessler makes less that Little. McDaniels in Toronto might work too. Blazers have some cheap deals and would love to get Toumari back. Anyway, there is wiggle room. Not much but they can get creative.

Walker Kessler? You seriously think Utah is trading him for Little and 22? And no the 2nd Apron makes getting creative very hard.

Kessler got benched last season. Don’t think it’s out of the question. And actually the second apron forces creativity.

Man you are talking about dealing with Danny Ainge. He will squeeze you and then steal the seeds and plant them in his own garden.

You aren’t getting Walker Kessler from him for that. He will sit on him and wait for a better deal.

[Sactowndog]

Walker Kessler? You seriously think Utah is trading him for Little and 22? And no the 2nd Apron makes getting creative very hard.

Kessler got benched last season. Don’t think it’s out of the question. And actually the second apron forces creativity.

Man you are talking about dealing with Danny Ainge. He will squeeze you and then steal the seeds and plant them in his own garden.

You aren’t getting Walker Kessler from him for that. He will sit on him and wait for a better deal.

Not to mention the kid has real potential. Thinking you get Kessler for 22 and Little is some serious Hopium.

[jredsaz]

Walker Kessler? You seriously think Utah is trading him for Little and 22? And no the 2nd Apron makes getting creative very hard.

Kessler got benched last season. Don’t think it’s out of the question. And actually the second apron forces creativity.

Man you are talking about dealing with Danny Ainge. He will squeeze you and then steal the seeds and plant them in his own garden.

You aren’t getting Walker Kessler from him for that. He will sit on him and wait for a better deal.

Ainge may be trading up to take a center at 22. Or he picks one at 12. Maybe his real goal is to get up to 4 or 5 for Clingan and 22 is a more enticing trade chip. Kessler got demoted from the starting lineup due to his offensive struggles. Don’t think he is the prized asset he once was. If Ainge is going to Ainge that hard then they can find a different deal.

[Sactowndog]

Unlikely anyone you draft at 22 is not contributing this year. Most are a year or 2 away and you don’t have a year or two.

I mean, no?? It really all depends on what you are targeting (BPA vs fit/need) but lots of experienced college players are able to step right in and fill a role in the rotation, even if its just a regular season role at 1st. Just look at the last draft and look 4 picks ahead of 22 and 4 picks behind. Those 9 slots are a wide selection of experienced college guys and 1 and done college players that went to playoff teams and lottery-bound teams. The experienced college guys largely were at least rotation players this year -- Jaquez, Podziemski, Sasser, Murray, Sheppard. OMax-Prosper was the only guy who played more than 1 year in college and wasnt part of the rotation. Then you have the one and done guys who didnt pick up nearly as many minutes and are seen as more developmental players. You can't just paint with such a wide brush when it comes to pick 22. Is it likely to be a superstar -- no. But if a team wants it can find higher floor, lower ceiling players to come right in an play a role. I would not anticipate this draft to be any different.

Lots of guys in the 22-40 range that look ready to contribute immediately (especially for a bench / support role around phx stars)

Guys potentially available at 22 ready to help now
-Eddy
-Silva
-Kolek
-Ware
- Holmes
- TSJ
-Baylor

Tons of names available a little later that can also potentially help if phx trades down

Eddy yes if he is available. Holmes if available might also work. You do know we proposed giving you Mitchell and 45.

Taking Kolek as a point versus Mitchell makes zero sense for a team on a 2 year timeline.

[Crives]

I mean, no?? It really all depends on what you are targeting (BPA vs fit/need) but lots of experienced college players are able to step right in and fill a role in the rotation, even if its just a regular season role at 1st. Just look at the last draft and look 4 picks ahead of 22 and 4 picks behind. Those 9 slots are a wide selection of experienced college guys and 1 and done college players that went to playoff teams and lottery-bound teams. The experienced college guys largely were at least rotation players this year -- Jaquez, Podziemski, Sasser, Murray, Sheppard. OMax-Prosper was the only guy who played more than 1 year in college and wasnt part of the rotation. Then you have the one and done guys who didnt pick up nearly as many minutes and are seen as more developmental players. You can't just paint with such a wide brush when it comes to pick 22. Is it likely to be a superstar -- no. But if a team wants it can find higher floor, lower ceiling players to come right in an play a role. I would not anticipate this draft to be any different.

Lots of guys in the 22-40 range that look ready to contribute immediately (especially for a bench / support role around phx stars)

Guys potentially available at 22 ready to help now
-Eddy
-Silva
-Kolek
-Ware
- Holmes
- TSJ
-Baylor

Tons of names available a little later that can also potentially help if phx trades down

Eddy yes if he is available. Holmes if available might also work. You do know we proposed giving you Mitchell and 45.

Taking Kolek as a point versus Mitchell makes zero sense for a team on a 2 year timeline.

There is a ton of players on that list, some people will like some more then others…. Point is there is a lot of options.

I would rather have 29 over Mitchell
I would rather have 31 over 45

[jredsaz]

I mean, no?? It really all depends on what you are targeting (BPA vs fit/need) but lots of experienced college players are able to step right in and fill a role in the rotation, even if its just a regular season role at 1st. Just look at the last draft and look 4 picks ahead of 22 and 4 picks behind. Those 9 slots are a wide selection of experienced college guys and 1 and done college players that went to playoff teams and lottery-bound teams. The experienced college guys largely were at least rotation players this year -- Jaquez, Podziemski, Sasser, Murray, Sheppard. OMax-Prosper was the only guy who played more than 1 year in college and wasnt part of the rotation. Then you have the one and done guys who didnt pick up nearly as many minutes and are seen as more developmental players. You can't just paint with such a wide brush when it comes to pick 22. Is it likely to be a superstar -- no. But if a team wants it can find higher floor, lower ceiling players to come right in an play a role. I would not anticipate this draft to be any different.

Lots of guys in the 22-40 range that look ready to contribute immediately (especially for a bench / support role around phx stars)

Guys potentially available at 22 ready to help now
-Eddy
-Silva
-Kolek
-Ware
- Holmes
- TSJ
-Baylor

Tons of names available a little later that can also potentially help if phx trades down

Eddy yes if he is available. Holmes if available might also work. You do know we proposed giving you Mitchell and 45.

Taking Kolek as a point versus Mitchell makes zero sense for a team on a 2 year timeline.

Throw in a couple more 2nds and I’d think about it a lot harder. Rather take one of the older wings at 22 than have Mitchell and 45. If we trade back with the Jazz I’d probably trade 29 for Mitchell and 45.