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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#21 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:40 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Such a weird statement that proves nothing.

G league stats - 19/4/3 shooting 38%

Those stats mean as much as your comment.


If your first round pick sends his rookie year in the G League a trade partner isn't going to value him as a first round pick anymore.

then might as well keep Jett and send a second round pick in that case


If that gets it done, but if I'm the Spurs and I hear that the Bulls are willing to put Coby White on the table, I'm considering offering their pick back because the odds of it conveying have plummeted after trading White and Caruso.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#22 » by orlando_joe » Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:43 pm

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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:well, it isnt really 3 picks, its 2 picks and a player that spent almost all year in the G League. and one of those picks will be mid-late 20's.


Such a weird statement that proves nothing.

G league stats - 19/4/3 shooting 38%

Those stats mean as much as your comment.


If your first round pick sends his rookie year in the G League a trade partner isn't going to value him as a first round pick anymore.

ok then let magic just send a 2-way player instead?
thats what happens when magic had 2 lottery picks and 3 games from second seed in east..better to get them playing time
he would have played on lottery team
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#23 » by Residual-Heat » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:03 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
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jbk1234 wrote:
If your first round pick sends his rookie year in the G League a trade partner isn't going to value him as a first round pick anymore.

then might as well keep Jett and send a second round pick in that case


If that gets it done, but if I'm the Spurs and I hear that the Bulls are willing to put Coby White on the table, I'm considering offering their pick back because the odds of it conveying have plummeted after trading White and Caruso.


Yeah that Bulls pick is very unlikely to convey to the Spurs. Theres really several factors here. Do the Bulls really like someone that will be available at 8? Are they not really excited about this draft altogether? What do they really think about Howard? Truth is we dont know how they value Howard either. Maybe they prefer him to the 18th pick this year. I have no idea, but Im sure their scouts have watched him in college and have their own opinion of Howard.

Several of last years picks in the 9-20 range struggled to get playing time until it was clear they were tanking, or in case they were hit hard with injuries. The Magic were trying to compete and had two rookies. It was hard to get them playing time, but there's no reason to sell low if the team getting him values him as like a second round pick IMO. Jett probably could've gotten more play time like some other rookies, mainly taking up garbage minutes, but the team felt it would be better to send him to the g-league.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#24 » by Residual-Heat » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:11 pm

To reply to the OP, I would like to see the Bulls blow it up completely. Coby is a nice player, but the best thing about it is his contract. That expires in two years and in the meantime the Bulls will not be competitive so it makes sense to cash in now. Plus, it seems like the 2025 draft is a good one to tank in from what ive read. Also as mentioned Lavine can put up his stats and be a decent fit with Ayo.

Seems like decent trade ideas, and I more or less agree with the value.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#25 » by gswhoops » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:15 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:then might as well keep Jett and send a second round pick in that case


If that gets it done, but if I'm the Spurs and I hear that the Bulls are willing to put Coby White on the table, I'm considering offering their pick back because the odds of it conveying have plummeted after trading White and Caruso.


Yeah that Bulls pick is very unlikely to convey to the Spurs. Theres really several factors here. Do the Bulls really like someone that will be available at 8? Are they not really excited about this draft altogether? What do they really think about Howard? Truth is we dont know how they value Howard either. Maybe they prefer him to the 18th pick this year. I have no idea, but Im sure their scouts have watched him in college and have their own opinion of Howard.

Several of last years picks in the 9-20 range struggled to get playing time until it was clear they were tanking, or in case they were hit hard with injuries. The Magic were trying to compete and had two rookies. It was hard to get them playing time, but there's no reason to sell low if the team getting him values him as like a second round pick IMO. Jett probably could've gotten more play time like some other rookies, mainly taking up garbage minutes, but the team felt it would be better to send him to the g-league.

I mean that's true of any draft class, but there were actually quite a few guys picked in that range who played meaningful minutes on teams that were competing (or at least trying to compete). Cason Wallace, Dereck Lively, Jaime Jaquez, Brandin Podziemski all come to mind.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#26 » by orlando_joe » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:21 pm

gswhoops wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
If that gets it done, but if I'm the Spurs and I hear that the Bulls are willing to put Coby White on the table, I'm considering offering their pick back because the odds of it conveying have plummeted after trading White and Caruso.


Yeah that Bulls pick is very unlikely to convey to the Spurs. Theres really several factors here. Do the Bulls really like someone that will be available at 8? Are they not really excited about this draft altogether? What do they really think about Howard? Truth is we dont know how they value Howard either. Maybe they prefer him to the 18th pick this year. I have no idea, but Im sure their scouts have watched him in college and have their own opinion of Howard.

Several of last years picks in the 9-20 range struggled to get playing time until it was clear they were tanking, or in case they were hit hard with injuries. The Magic were trying to compete and had two rookies. It was hard to get them playing time, but there's no reason to sell low if the team getting him values him as like a second round pick IMO. Jett probably could've gotten more play time like some other rookies, mainly taking up garbage minutes, but the team felt it would be better to send him to the g-league.

I mean that's true of any draft class, but there were actually quite a few guys picked in that range who played meaningful minutes on teams that were competing (or at least trying to compete). Cason Wallace, Dereck Lively, Jaime Jaquez, Brandin Podziemski all come to mind.

how many of those teams had 2 lottery picks? black played..i will save you time not one
jett is still 20 ..younger then almost half the players in this yr draft
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#27 » by Skybox » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:58 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:well, it isnt really 3 picks, its 2 picks and a player that spent almost all year in the G League. and one of those picks will be mid-late 20's.


Such a weird statement that proves nothing.

G league stats - 19/4/3 shooting 38%

Those stats mean as much as your comment.


If your first round pick sends his rookie year in the G League a trade partner isn't going to value him as a first round pick anymore.


Maybe they'd take Mac McClung instead? :crazy:
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#28 » by Skybox » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:00 am

orlando_joe wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
Yeah that Bulls pick is very unlikely to convey to the Spurs. Theres really several factors here. Do the Bulls really like someone that will be available at 8? Are they not really excited about this draft altogether? What do they really think about Howard? Truth is we dont know how they value Howard either. Maybe they prefer him to the 18th pick this year. I have no idea, but Im sure their scouts have watched him in college and have their own opinion of Howard.

Several of last years picks in the 9-20 range struggled to get playing time until it was clear they were tanking, or in case they were hit hard with injuries. The Magic were trying to compete and had two rookies. It was hard to get them playing time, but there's no reason to sell low if the team getting him values him as like a second round pick IMO. Jett probably could've gotten more play time like some other rookies, mainly taking up garbage minutes, but the team felt it would be better to send him to the g-league.

I mean that's true of any draft class, but there were actually quite a few guys picked in that range who played meaningful minutes on teams that were competing (or at least trying to compete). Cason Wallace, Dereck Lively, Jaime Jaquez, Brandin Podziemski all come to mind.

how many of those teams had 2 lottery picks? black played..i will save you time not one
jett is still 20 ..younger then almost half the players in this yr draft


You seriously comparing ORL's draft last year vs the guys you listed? Having two choices didn't help...GSW scored 2 better players with a late pick in each round.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#29 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:19 am

orlando_joe wrote:
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orlando_joe wrote:yea he did it 1 time ..that makes him worth really 3 first rd picks? wow

well, it isnt really 3 picks, its 2 picks and a player that spent almost all year in the G League. and one of those picks will be mid-late 20's.

sure and 1 injury and its lottery in the west....what a spin...jett was just picked 11 a yr ago....coby has one yr with avg play 4 yrs he did nothing that even says starter but 1 season from jett...come on man

Bilal Coulibaly was drafted #7, Jarace Walker #8, Taylor Hendricks #9, big doubts on any of them being drafted that high again. Jett being drafted 11 last year means nothing with what he showed
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#30 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:20 am

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tiderulz wrote:
orlando_joe wrote:yea he did it 1 time ..that makes him worth really 3 first rd picks? wow

well, it isnt really 3 picks, its 2 picks and a player that spent almost all year in the G League. and one of those picks will be mid-late 20's.


Such a weird statement that proves nothing.

G league stats - 19/4/3 shooting 38%

Those stats mean as much as your comment.

it means it isnt 3 picks that a team gets to choose the player, but 2 picks and a player that didnt even get consistent minutes in the NBA, so the value isnt quite there
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#31 » by Chinook » Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:33 am

I'm not adding the eighth pick to a Coby White trade. Yes, the Spurs missed the sweet spot last summer when they probably could've secured White on a four-year decent deal for just CHI25, but they don't need to throw bad money after good here. They aren't a contender and are better off making White an offer in 2026's free agency than trading for him during a time when they should be developing guys anyway.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#32 » by pipfan » Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:30 am

Chinook wrote:I'm not adding the eighth pick to a Coby White trade. Yes, the Spurs missed the sweet spot last summer when they probably could've secured White on a four-year decent deal for just CHI25, but they don't need to throw bad money after good here. They aren't a contender and are better off making White an offer in 2026's free agency than trading for him during a time when they should be developing guys anyway.

This is a plan too, but White is young, high character and still improving. The big thing is, he can score, and get shots on his own. He fits the timeline and I really think the Spurs need shooting around Wemby. His D is average, so won't hurt the Spurs there.

White/Jones
Vassell/KJ/White
Risacher/KJ
Sochan/?
Wemby/Collins

That team can make the playoffs, assuming Wemby is the star we think he will be. It's super young and well balanced
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#33 » by Dez » Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:35 am

Easy no.

A good and improving player on a great contract? Trade him for picks in a weak draft.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#34 » by 7r5ur » Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:17 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
orlando_joe wrote:yea he did it 1 time ..that makes him worth really 3 first rd picks? wow

well, it isnt really 3 picks, its 2 picks and a player that spent almost all year in the G League. and one of those picks will be mid-late 20's.


Such a weird statement that proves nothing.

G league stats - 19/4/3 shooting 38%

Those stats mean as much as your comment.

It still does mean something that a team that had a desperate lack of shooting didn't want to give the guy they just drafted 11th a chance. I think Orlando would struggle to flip Jett for a 1st today.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#35 » by orlando_joe » Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:15 am

tiderulz wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:well, it isnt really 3 picks, its 2 picks and a player that spent almost all year in the G League. and one of those picks will be mid-late 20's.


Such a weird statement that proves nothing.

G league stats - 19/4/3 shooting 38%

Those stats mean as much as your comment.

it means it isnt 3 picks that a team gets to choose the player, but 2 picks and a player that didnt even get consistent minutes in the NBA, so the value isnt quite there

maybe jett could get a late first ,maybe not..if value still not there then i sure do not see magic adding to that for a guy that had 1 yr of avg starting play
if the cost is that high my money would be magic pass
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#36 » by daoneandonly » Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:08 pm

He had a solid year, but not sure he's worth all this.
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Re: CWhite on the move 

Post#37 » by Viper1500 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:46 am

I would do it, no doubt.

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