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[jredsaz]

I would rather cut Denver and just absorb Collins deal and keep Grimes

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Pistons adding MPJ and Collins with their space is a win for that franchise.

As a Pistons fan I don’t think so.

The pistons need picks, MPJ and Collins aren’t going to take us anywhere other than becoming much more expensive whilst lacking assets to trade for a second star (if you can even call Cade a star right now). The right path is what Langdon has already said, don’t cut corners and gathers assets in the form of picks. Championships teams especially from smaller markets needs to be built via the draft and really smart trades otherwise they get too expensive too early and peak without the ability to add better players. I’d prefer 3 more years of being bad to eventually compete for a championship then make short sighted moves now just to make the play-in, but hey there’s more than a few Pistons fan that would do any trade right now just because the need change.

I think assets are assets. MPJ is a better asset than everything the Pistons are sending out in the OP (including the cap space). Tanking all out is the short cut. I mean Cade was #1 overall and where is this franchise three years later? Pistons just had the worst record in the NBA and ended up with the fifth pick.

Fielding a competitive team next season that wins 40% of its games and allows Cade and Duren to play a winning style of basketball is a good thing. MPJ as the small forward between those two would be fun and if you’re in the play-in with the new lottery odds its not an end to your draft hopes. Ask Atlanta.

[A_dub06]

Pistons adding MPJ and Collins with their space is a win for that franchise.

As a Pistons fan I don’t think so.

The pistons need picks, MPJ and Collins aren’t going to take us anywhere other than becoming much more expensive whilst lacking assets to trade for a second star (if you can even call Cade a star right now). The right path is what Langdon has already said, don’t cut corners and gathers assets in the form of picks. Championships teams especially from smaller markets needs to be built via the draft and really smart trades otherwise they get too expensive too early and peak without the ability to add better players. I’d prefer 3 more years of being bad to eventually compete for a championship then make short sighted moves now just to make the play-in, but hey there’s more than a few Pistons fan that would do any trade right now just because the need change.

I think assets are assets. MPJ is a better asset than everything the Pistons are sending out in the OP (including the cap space). Tanking all out is the short cut. I mean Cade was #1 overall and where is this franchise three years later? Pistons just had the worst record in the NBA and ended up with the fifth pick.

Fielding a competitive team next season that wins 40% of its games and allows Cade and Duren to play a winning style of basketball is a good thing. MPJ as the small forward between those two would be fun and if you’re in the play-in with the new lottery odds its not an end to your draft hopes. Ask Atlanta.

MPJ has a tendency to disappear, and not all assets have equal value for every team. Your simply looking at it as asset A vs asset B in a vacuum, but you’re not considering aspects like the opportunity cost of the cap space from absorbing MPJ’s salary which could be used to get back draft picks in the hope to draft an eventual star or package with other picks to get an even better player in. There is value in improving the team and MPJ would make things on the offensive end easier for guys but we can do that simply by getting a much cheaper, good shooting player and then using the cap space to absorb a negative contract with pick compensation which achieves 75% of what you’re proposing with MPJ but includes a pick on top.

With the new CBA penalties and 2nd apron concerns I think the Pistons are actually poised quite well to take advantage and get back 1st round picks unlike the previous regime that sold off caps space cheaply and quickly for no real gain.

[jredsaz]

As a Pistons fan I don’t think so.

The pistons need picks, MPJ and Collins aren’t going to take us anywhere other than becoming much more expensive whilst lacking assets to trade for a second star (if you can even call Cade a star right now). The right path is what Langdon has already said, don’t cut corners and gathers assets in the form of picks. Championships teams especially from smaller markets needs to be built via the draft and really smart trades otherwise they get too expensive too early and peak without the ability to add better players. I’d prefer 3 more years of being bad to eventually compete for a championship then make short sighted moves now just to make the play-in, but hey there’s more than a few Pistons fan that would do any trade right now just because the need change.

I think assets are assets. MPJ is a better asset than everything the Pistons are sending out in the OP (including the cap space). Tanking all out is the short cut. I mean Cade was #1 overall and where is this franchise three years later? Pistons just had the worst record in the NBA and ended up with the fifth pick.

Fielding a competitive team next season that wins 40% of its games and allows Cade and Duren to play a winning style of basketball is a good thing. MPJ as the small forward between those two would be fun and if you’re in the play-in with the new lottery odds its not an end to your draft hopes. Ask Atlanta.

MPJ has a tendency to disappear, and not all assets have equal value for every team. Your simply looking at it as asset A vs asset B in a vacuum, but you’re not considering aspects like the opportunity cost of the cap space from absorbing MPJ’s salary which could be used to get back draft picks in the hope to draft an eventual star or package with other picks to get an even better player in. There is value in improving the team and MPJ would make things on the offensive end easier for guys but we can do that simply by getting a much cheaper, good shooting player and then using the cap space to absorb a negative contract with pick compensation which achieves 75% of what you’re proposing with MPJ but includes a pick on top.

With the new CBA penalties and 2nd apron concerns I think the Pistons are actually poised quite well to take advantage and get back 1st round picks unlike the previous regime that sold off caps space cheaply and quickly for no real gain.

I literally referenced the cap space in my post. Think the Pistons would have more luck returning value on MPJ after a year or two of being the primary scoring option than they will with cap space.

[A_dub06]

I think assets are assets. MPJ is a better asset than everything the Pistons are sending out in the OP (including the cap space). Tanking all out is the short cut. I mean Cade was #1 overall and where is this franchise three years later? Pistons just had the worst record in the NBA and ended up with the fifth pick.

Fielding a competitive team next season that wins 40% of its games and allows Cade and Duren to play a winning style of basketball is a good thing. MPJ as the small forward between those two would be fun and if you’re in the play-in with the new lottery odds its not an end to your draft hopes. Ask Atlanta.

MPJ has a tendency to disappear, and not all assets have equal value for every team. Your simply looking at it as asset A vs asset B in a vacuum, but you’re not considering aspects like the opportunity cost of the cap space from absorbing MPJ’s salary which could be used to get back draft picks in the hope to draft an eventual star or package with other picks to get an even better player in. There is value in improving the team and MPJ would make things on the offensive end easier for guys but we can do that simply by getting a much cheaper, good shooting player and then using the cap space to absorb a negative contract with pick compensation which achieves 75% of what you’re proposing with MPJ but includes a pick on top.

With the new CBA penalties and 2nd apron concerns I think the Pistons are actually poised quite well to take advantage and get back 1st round picks unlike the previous regime that sold off caps space cheaply and quickly for no real gain.

I literally referenced the cap space in my post. Think the Pistons would have more luck returning value on MPJ after a year or two of being the primary scoring option than they will with cap space.

Yes, and I’ve literally told you I prefer the value of the picks the cap space can get over the value of MPJ. I’m also of the opinion injury risk is always going to be there with MPJ due to his history and the issue of one leg being longer than the other which I don’t believe you are considering here. Teams at this stage are acutely aware of what MPJ is and what he brings so I doubt going from a championship contender to the worst performing team in the league and producing is going to materially raise his value.

[7r5ur]

I would rather cut Denver and just absorb Collins deal and keep Grimes

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Yeah, I think I agree with this. MPJ's number feels a lot riskier with that injury history, and I'm fairly optimistic about Grimes returning to form and being a really good fit with Cade. Make it Collins and #29 for #52 and I think I'd do it.

[7r5ur]

Pistons adding MPJ and Collins with their space is a win for that franchise.

As a Pistons fan I don’t think so.

The pistons need picks, MPJ and Collins aren’t going to take us anywhere other than becoming much more expensive whilst lacking assets to trade for a second star (if you can even call Cade a star right now). The right path is what Langdon has already said, don’t cut corners and gathers assets in the form of picks. Championships teams especially from smaller markets needs to be built via the draft and really smart trades otherwise they get too expensive too early and peak without the ability to add better players. I’d prefer 3 more years of being bad to eventually compete for a championship then make short sighted moves now just to make the play-in, but hey there’s more than a few Pistons fan that would do any trade right now just because the need change.

I think assets are assets. MPJ is a better asset than everything the Pistons are sending out in the OP (including the cap space). Tanking all out is the short cut. I mean Cade was #1 overall and where is this franchise three years later? Pistons just had the worst record in the NBA and ended up with the fifth pick.

Fielding a competitive team next season that wins 40% of its games and allows Cade and Duren to play a winning style of basketball is a good thing. MPJ as the small forward between those two would be fun and if you’re in the play-in with the new lottery odds its not an end to your draft hopes. Ask Atlanta.

I have MPJ's value as extremely high variance. He could come and play well and be a positive asset or he could come, have the injuries pop up again and be a guy you have to attach assets to in order to get off of. It would be a big gamble for a guy that is pretty unlikely to play up to that contract in even the best case scenario.

I would take a chance on him with a late 1st attached and I wouldn't riot (but wouldn't be thrilled) if the Pistons just took him in a pure salary dump, but I'm not giving anything up that has positive value aside from the ~$110M in cap relief.

[dVs33]

I would rather cut Denver and just absorb Collins deal and keep Grimes

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Yeah, I think I agree with this. MPJ's number feels a lot riskier with that injury history, and I'm fairly optimistic about Grimes returning to form and being a really good fit with Cade. Make it Collins and #29 for #52 and I think I'd do it.

That's would be the deal. Not just absorbing Collins for free. Grimes is the type of wing Detroit needs.

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