2024 NBA Draft Thread, part 2 – (June 26 & 27)

[celticgreenie]

My updated big board, with 1 day till the draft!

In bold are the guys the Celtics have reportedly worked out.

Spoiler:

Rank Player
1 Rob Dillingham
2 Alexandre Sarr
3 Ron Holland
4 Devin Carter
5 Stephon Castle
6 Cody Williams
7 Dalton Knecht
8 Matas Buzelis
9 Donovan Clingan
10 Zaccharie Risacher
11 Reed Sheppard
12 Kyle Filipowski
13 Kel'el Ware
14 Jaylon Tyson
15 Isaiah Collier
16 Tristan Da Silva
17 Tyler Smith
18 Yves Missi
19 Nikola Djurisic
20 Nikola Topic
21 Baylor Scheierman
22 Terrence Shannon Jr.
23 Zach Edey
24 Pacome Dadiet
25 Jaylen Wells
26 Pelle Larsson
27 DaRon Holmes
28 Enrique Freeman
29 KJ Simpson
30 Ryan Dunn
31 Oso Ighodaro
32 Tyler Kolek
33 Carlton Carrington
34 Ja’Kobe Walter
35 Tidjane Salaun
36 Jared McCain
37 Johnny Furphy
38 Juan Nunez
39 Kevin McCullar Jr
40 Harrison Ingram
41 PJ Hall
42 Reece Beekman
43 Jalen Bridges
44 Tristen Newton
45 Keshad Johnson
46 Adem Bona
47 Kyshawn George
48 Jonathan Mogbo
49 Isaiah Crawford
50 Trentyn Flowers
51 Anton Watson
52 Cam Christie
53 Justin Edwards
54 Melvin Ajinca
55 Ajay Mitchell
56 Trey Alexander
57 Bobi Klintman
58 Jamal Shead
59 Antonio Reeves
60 Dillon Jones
61 Armel Traore
62 Jaedon LeDee
63 Jaylin Williams
64 Jesse Edwards
65 N'Faly Dante
66 Ariel Hukpori
67 Boogie Ellis
68 Dylan Disu
69 Ulrich Chomche
70 Spencer Jones
71 Blake Hinson
72 Cam Spencer
73 AJ Johnson
74 Tristan Enaruna
75 Judah Mintz
76 Riley Minix
77 Isaac Jones
78 Bronny James
79 Quinten Post
80 Mantas Rubstavicius

The 2 latest guys to get added to the Celtics workout list are Jalen Bridges and Mantas Rubstavicius. Both are wings who can shoot but don't offer very much else. The Celtics have worked out lots of wings shooters ahead of this draft (others include Reeves, Scheierman, Ingram, Domask, Cormac Ryan, Sandfort, etc.).

Bridges got mentioned so much on here that Brad just *had* to bring him in for a workout

Out of the guys we have worked out, my preference would be either Scheierman, Dadiet or Freeman. As you can see, Scheierman is my highest ranked guy among those 3..but I do think there's some redundancy with him and Hauser.

Dadiet and Freeman are both guys I am pretty high on..I see a good potential fit with Boston for both of them..both can shoot...and the Celtics have worked out both of them.

Dadiet admittedly would probably be more of a long term piece (mins in year 1 would be hard to come by with the depth/talent we have at wing..and the fact that he's still only 19 yrs old). Long term I think Dadiet has some intriguing upside (I like the Cam Johnson comp that Playa Hater through out there..I can see that, down the road..with potentially to *maybe* be even better than Cam down the road since Dadiet is entering the league about 4 yrs younger than Cam did) and even if he doesn't reach that ceiling he's a decent 3&D type of guy off the bench.

Freeman I've talked about quite a bit so won't go long winded again on him (for now lol).

If we could somehow get both Dadiet and Freeman, that'd be a nice combo. A wing (who is more of a long term piece, age 18) and a 4/5 type of guy who is more of a short term piece, could contribute right away, age 23).

If they think Hauser is gone after this season, sure grab Scheierman. But it is looking like we'd probably have to trade up to get him..

I like your observation about all the wing shooters that have been worked out. I like what Stevens is doing as it takes more time for let's say a young guy like Jordan Walsh to develop into a competent shooter in a playoff setting vs. making a young guy a passable defender in the playoffs.

[Celts17Pride]

Honestly I think Brad Stevens is going to be very active in free agency with vet min. contracts that he doesn't want to add a 1st round pick that will spend 95% of their time in Maine and take up a roster spot.

[Larry_Russell]

I would love to get 2 of the following

Wings
Jaylon Tyson
Ajay Mitchell
Baylor Scheierman - Worked out for Celtics
Joihnny Furphy
Bronny James
Pacome Dadiet - Worked out for Celtics
Dillon Jones - Worked out for Celtics

Forward
Kyle Fillipowski
Bobi Klintman
Jonathan Mogbo - Worked out for Celtics

[phincsfan]

I would love to get 2 of the following

Wings
Jaylon Tyson
Ajay Mitchell
Baylor Scheierman
Joihnny Furphy
Bronny James
Pacome Dadiet - Worked out for Celtics
Dillon Jones - Worked out for Celtics

Forward
Kyle Fillipowski
Bobi Klintman
Jonathan Mogbo

Scheirerman and Mogbo worked out with the C's also

[cl2117]

Anybody up for offering #30 to Spurs for 35 & 48?

I'm sure Brad Stevens has been calling the Spurs all week.

Portland for 34 and 40 or a future 2nd instead if 40 is too rich
Spurs for 35 and 48
Pacers for 36 and 49 or 50 (traded for a future 2nd)
Timberwolves for 37 and a future 2nd.
Grizzlies for 39 and a future 2nd

Those seem to be our options if we want to trade back and stay in the 30's. Raptors/Jazz/Bucks probably won't want to trade up from 31-33 to 30th (they all already have 1st round picks), Knicks at 38 already have 24/25 so won't want 30.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brad traded back into the 40's for a pair of 2nds or did his Belichickian approach of trading back 2-3 times to grab a couple more.

I'd be surprised if drafted more than 2 guys in the 2nd round, so one of the options where we trade back and grab a pick or two in future years seems to make the most sense.

[cl2117]

Honestly I think Brad Stevens is going to be very active in free agency with vet min. contracts that he doesn't want to add a 1st round pick that will spend 95% of their time in Maine and take up a roster spot.

This is very possible, but based on the way the 2nd apron is going to impact this team, I also wouldn't be surprised if he made a point of taking multiple shots on guys with rotation level upside (even if they're more likely than not to flame out).

Brad's going to have to find a way to get cheap/controlled talent to round out the roster for future years. We've got 3 two-way slots now, so you can carry quite a few projects without it impacting the back-end of the bench.

[keevsnick1]

Honestly I think Brad Stevens is going to be very active in free agency with vet min. contracts that he doesn't want to add a 1st round pick that will spend 95% of their time in Maine and take up a roster spot.

TBH this wouldn't make much sense to me. The min guys you get probably aren't going to contribute much given that the C's top 8 is pretty locked down.

If your options are "vet who doesn't play much" or "young guy who doesn't play much" then take the young guy and develop him. They have 1 of those guys in Walsh, its okay to have 2 of those guys.

[Larry_Russell]

Anybody up for offering #30 to Spurs for 35 & 48?

I'm sure Brad Stevens has been calling the Spurs all week.

Portland for 34 and 40 or a future 2nd instead if 40 is too rich
Spurs for 35 and 48
Pacers for 36 and 49 or 50 (traded for a future 2nd)
Timberwolves for 37 and a future 2nd.
Grizzlies for 39 and a future 2nd

Those seem to be our options if we want to trade back and stay in the 30's. Raptors/Jazz/Bucks probably won't want to trade up from 31-33 to 30th (they all already have 1st round picks), Knicks at 38 already have 24/25 so won't want 30.

I would be surprised if Brad traded back into the 40's for a pair of 2nds or did his Belichickian approach of trading back 2-3 times to grab a couple more.

I'd be surprised if drafted more than 2 guys in the 2nd round, so one of the options where we trade back and grab a pick or two in future years seems to make the most sense.

I would like 34 and 40

I think that puts team in the range to grab 2 guys that can come in and be a 5 minute a game type of player.

[playa-hater]

No more projects.Please use the 30 draft pick or trade up... **** financial flexibility.. We have our core and our core will not be traded.. We just need to add first round talent.. Someone who can step in and contribute right away While protecting our core from injuries.. Projects may not get that chance for Years...

Quite a few teams.looking to trade down.. They are definitely more impactful.Players in the late teens and early 20s.Then anything in the second round..

[Hal14]

Honestly I think Brad Stevens is going to be very active in free agency with vet min. contracts that he doesn't want to add a 1st round pick that will spend 95% of their time in Maine and take up a roster spot.

TBH this wouldn't make much sense to me. The min guys you get probably aren't going to contribute much given that the C's top 8 is pretty locked down.

If your options are "vet who doesn't play much" or "young guy who doesn't play much" then take the young guy and develop him. They have 1 of those guys in Walsh, its okay to have 2 of those guys.

I don't think it's an either/or thing. I think it's both.

Our top 8 guys are locked down. Which leaves 7 other roster spots + 3 2-way spots so that's 10 spots total. Of course, they're not all gonna be young development guys and they're not all gonna be vet min ring chasers. You can put a vet ring chaser on a 2-way anyways.

I think what CelticsPride17 is saying is that since any rookie we get (regardless of whether they're drafted 30th or somewhere in the 2nd round) is probably not gonna play much at all in year 1, we mine as well prioritize vets for those end of bench slots..

You still draft a guy..but drafting someone in the 2nd round (rather than the 1st round), has the following advantages:
-Lower salary
-Flexibility of being able to put them on a 2-way contract (or possibly even stash them overseas) which would mean even bigger $ savings and not having to use a standard roster spot on a guy who won't play much
-Less pressure on the player to produce on a team that is the deepest/most talented team in the league
-Less backlash for the front office if the player doesn't produce
-Less pressure on the coach to give playing time to a kid who might not be ready yet or isn't as good (yet) as the vets on the team
-Plus by trading out of the 1st round, you acquire assets that you didn't have before..which can be used later on to make a pick or to trade the pick(s) to acquire quality vets..

[Larry_Russell]

Draft should be looking at guys who have played more college ball. Seniors for example.

Also, at this late in the draft, you probably draft for a need.


PG: Jrue/Pritchard
SG: White/XXXXX/Springer
SF: Brown/Hauser/Walsh
PF: Tatum/Horford/Tillman
C: Porzingis/Kornet/Queta

Probably looking at a Wing player in the draft and less so a bigman. I dont think the team lets either of the big men go due to financial concerns. I think both X and Kornet are back. They are well liked, they know the system, they dont complain about playing time. And are both a part of the stay ready group.

Svi I feel like is 100% gone, so look to add a wing in the offseason/draft and possibly keep 1 roster spot open.

[Dogen]

I'm sure Brad Stevens has been calling the Spurs all week.

Portland for 34 and 40 or a future 2nd instead if 40 is too rich
Spurs for 35 and 48
Pacers for 36 and 49 or 50 (traded for a future 2nd)
Timberwolves for 37 and a future 2nd.
Grizzlies for 39 and a future 2nd

Those seem to be our options if we want to trade back and stay in the 30's. Raptors/Jazz/Bucks probably won't want to trade up from 31-33 to 30th (they all already have 1st round picks), Knicks at 38 already have 24/25 so won't want 30.

I would be surprised if Brad traded back into the 40's for a pair of 2nds or did his Belichickian approach of trading back 2-3 times to grab a couple more.

I'd be surprised if drafted more than 2 guys in the 2nd round, so one of the options where we trade back and grab a pick or two in future years seems to make the most sense.

I would like 34 and 40

I think that puts team in the range to grab 2 guys that can come in and be a 5 minute a game type of player.

So 30 and 54 for 34 and 40? Or we keep 54 (I don't see Brad taking three picks, but maybe 2).

34, best available wing/SG: Dadiet, Scheierman, Johnson, Mitchell
40, best fit available big: Mogbo, Bona, Ighodaro, Freeman

Maybe both on 2-Way to start the year, bringing them up as the need arises.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Around 14:45 they get into his shooting. Form on the 3 combine shots looks good, so... problem solved!
21:00 mark they talk about post defense when being undersized.
OK, I think I'll stop Mogbo posts (for now). We haven't even brought him in as of yet.

EDIT: We have brought him in.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

Yes, we worked him out.

No, we can't project him as a shooter. Regardless of how he looked shooting at the combine, he literally didn't ever shoot 3's in college. (I know you were probably joking about that part though)

Here's another big board by someone on Draft Twitter who is very high on Mogbo:

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Read on Twitter

Lastly, even if Brissett leaves, I still am not a fan of drafting a guy (in like the top 45 picks) who is a non-shooter or very suspect shooter..since we're a 3 pt shooting heavy team and already have Kornet, Queta, Walsh, Springer, Tillman (Brissett could still end up returning too).

Yeah, I was kidding, but there is hope - it's not completely broken. I like both him and Freeman. I think you're probably giving Freeman's 37% on 1.5 attempts/game this year a little too much weight in calling him a shooter. It's definitely better than the 0-2 for the season Mogbo was, but Freeman's still a suspect shooter to me until he gets more volume. If he hits that in the pros, that's good but it's not anything defenses are going to worry about. I don't think either is going to have any gravity / provide spacing whatsoever. Freeman definitely has a head start on developing it, though.

It will be more about work ethic / who's going to get after it and make it happen. Both seem to have great indicators on that front. I'd be happy with either.

[Gant]

I have no idea who the Celtics will pick, but...


* Brad Stevens, Mike Zarren and company have a big board and they'll follow it.

* The chances of trading up are slim but possible. The chances of staying at 30 are possible, but maybe just slightly less than 50/50. The chances of trading back are a bit more than 50/50.

* The reasons for trading back are reduced salary, getting the draftee they wanted a few spots lower, and Brad's recent history of not making first rounders.

* Sometimes there's one guy you want, but often there are tiers of evenly desirable players. When they pick, if it's a tier, then dropping a few spots back becomes more likely.

* They are not going to be drafting with the expectation of getting an immediate rotation player. At pick 30 or beyond that's a true long shot and not something to plan around.

* If there's a deficit on the roster, after the dust settles they'll fill that need with a vet-min ring chaser.

* Along those lines, the purpose of the draft is to bolster the pipeline for a second apron team that has no other realistic way to add impactful talent going forward. Drafting and developing is the surer way.

* Speaking of that pipeline- Queta, Walsh, and Springer have the offseason to shore up their games and maybe earn some minutes next fall. A short offseason, the Porzingis surgery, plus the Olympics will open some playing time early on.

* The post-second-round undrafted free agent frenzy will be worth watching as a few 2 way spots are up for grabs.

* Lastly, I don't know who's playing in summer league but if Walsh, Springer, Queta, Davison, Peterson, two rookie draftees, some undrafted two way candidates, and maybe even Begarin all show up, that's a dynamic summer team.

[brackdan70]

Draft should be looking at guys who have played more college ball. Seniors for example.

Also, at this late in the draft, you probably draft for a need.


PG: Jrue/Pritchard
SG: White/XXXXX/Springer
SF: Brown/Hauser/Walsh
PF: Tatum/Horford/Tillman
C: Porzingis/Kornet/Queta

Probably looking at a Wing player in the draft and less so a bigman. I dont think the team lets either of the big men go due to financial concerns. I think both X and Kornet are back. They are well liked, they know the system, they dont complain about playing time. And are both a part of the stay ready group.

Svi I feel like is 100% gone, so look to add a wing in the offseason/draft and possibly keep 1 roster spot open.

I agree Svi should be gone. I think a Big and a versatile wing are both needs. Try to get the best player you can that can contribute at one of those positions. With Brissett opting out it might make that wing depth more important but I like giving Walsh and Springer minutes. I feel things are a bit thing with big men unless we bring both Tillman and Kornet ( or a ring chaser)

[CelticFaninLBC]

Anybody up for offering #30 to Spurs for 35 & 48?

I can see this trade considering who they've worked out.

Draft 3 low cost guys and hope 1 or 2 become rotation players in a few years at a low cost.

[djFan71]

It's officially tomorrow east coast time, so I'll just leave this here. Spoiler: He never misses!

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Some of them aren't the fastest releases. But, I liked the corner ones - seems like he got those up quicker against the fake closeout. He doesn't take the ball down as far or as long on those.

Im game for him.

How is his speed? Would be be able to log minutes at PF right away? Basically take Brissetts role on the team? Maybe give a bit more if Kornet is gone?

Very fast. Rebounding menace. Great on switchability. Very good ball handler and passer. Non-shooter is the biggest thing. Literally 0-2 from 3 this season (half court end of half attempt and a grenade). But, it also wasn't his role.

I liked Brissett, but I do think Mogbo would be better. Whether he would get minutes depends largely on X and Hauser minutes, imo. Playing with Al or KP he'd be fine as vertical spacer and see if he can make teams pay for being left WIDE open. But, the rub is when Al/KP are out is when you'd really want to use him, and with Queta or X it could be tough. I think you could survive with him as small ball 5 in some matchups, but there are others where it'd be tough.

[Dogen]

Ighodaro invoking Horford at about 2 minutes in. He's a reason to try and move up a bit from 54 if the Celtics look for big depth in the draft.

Watch on YouTube

[phincsfan]

Svi I feel like is 100% gone, so look to add a wing in the offseason/draft and possibly keep 1 roster spot open.

He can have a good career overseas.

[Homerclease]

No more projects.Please use the 30 draft pick or trade up... **** financial flexibility.. We have our core and our core will not be traded.. We just need to add first round talent.. Someone who can step in and contribute right away While protecting our core from injuries.. Projects may not get that chance for Years...

Quite a few teams.looking to trade down.. They are definitely more impactful.Players in the late teens and early 20s.Then anything in the second round..

They just won a title, they’re in exact position to roll the dice on projects looking for a star