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[Sactown33]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

[EasyE31]

Kings definitely seem like they could do something rash.

Fox’s future looms in the background too, as league sources say the All-Star guard has decided not to sign an extension this year, in part, because he wants to see how the roster takes shape for the long-haul. Fox, who has two seasons left on his current deal, wants to win at the highest level and could also qualify for a significantly larger max if he makes All-NBA.

The Kings have been close on deals in the past but ultimately come up empty-handed. Caruso is the latest. Pascal Siakam might be the most significant. The Kings were close to a Siakam deal at the past trade deadline, but they ultimately lost out to Indiana when the Pacers paired the two-time All-Star with former King Tyrese Haliburton en route to an Eastern Conference finals run.

The move would have been a calculated risk for the Kings, as there were strong signs at the time Siakam would not re-sign with Sacramento if he had come. Still, league sources say there is some lingering regret internally about the what-might-have-been-move and the question of whether the Kings could have convinced Siakam to stay.

As pressure rises to advance further in the playoffs, everyone is getting more expensive. Sabonis’ contract rises from $29.3 million to $40-plus million for the next four years, Murray is a summer away from extension eligibility and Fox, desiring an aggressive win-now approach, eventually has a lucrative decision to make. The entire equation makes the Kings a team to watch entering transaction season in the NBA.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5587438/2024/06/24/sacramento-kings-nba-draft-free-agency-zach-edey-kyle-kuzma-zach-lavine/

I keep coming back to Bobby for one of Vezenkov, Mitchel, or Duarte and 13. It gets us under the 2nd apron, we can package up to 3 firsts plus 33, and now aggregate salaries in a trade. I would do that trade if its on the table and then take Ware at 13 who we apparently like, try to flip Pat and 23 for someone like Ayo, and depending on who is there at 33, either take someone who fell or trade out and get future 2nds.

If we're going to send out 3 firsts I keep coming back to Mikal Bridges. I'd make the Nets a godfather offer for him. He'd be a great fit now plus he's your long term Middleton replacement.

[soxperry]

Kings definitely seem like they could do something rash.





https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5587438/2024/06/24/sacramento-kings-nba-draft-free-agency-zach-edey-kyle-kuzma-zach-lavine/

I keep coming back to Bobby for one of Vezenkov, Mitchel, or Duarte and 13. It gets us under the 2nd apron, we can package up to 3 firsts plus 33, and now aggregate salaries in a trade. I would do that trade if its on the table and then take Ware at 13 who we apparently like, try to flip Pat and 23 for someone like Ayo, and depending on who is there at 33, either take someone who fell or trade out and get future 2nds.

If we're going to send out 3 firsts I keep coming back to Mikal Bridges. I'd make the Nets a godfather offer for him. He'd be a great fit now plus he's your long term Middleton replacement.

Landing a guy like Mikal would extend our championship window with Giannis. Problem is, every team would want him and although hes fallen from the limelight, no gm has forgotten how good he is and could be and the Nets are well aware of that. We should lose any bid war for that guy.

[ReasonablySober]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

Same thought process that led the Celtics to move on from Brogdan, Grant Williams, Robert Williams, and Smart and bring in 34 year old Holiday. They needed a proven impact winner for the postseason.

[Sactown33]

Kings aren’t a contender though so making a change like that won’t push them over the top like it did for Boston. Instead it’ll just leave them without any young talent so Fox will leave in 2 years and they’ll have to start a full rebuild.

[raferfenix]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

Appreciate the Kings perspective! Certainly don’t mean to be insulting with scenarios. And know that Bucks fans are jaded (if not damaged) from the Herb Kohl era if you see us contemplating how Sacramento ownership might blow it.

I think Middleton makes sense if the Kings believe they need an established star with deep playoff experience to get over the hump. Yes Khris has had injury issues the past few seasons but if he didn’t he wouldn’t be (potentially) available, and he just torched Indiana in the playoffs as our top option.

What Sacramento would or wouldn’t be willing to trade is a very reasonable question of course. Curious what you think?

[Profound23]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

Why are we trying to rationalize this? It's the Kings that's why. If it made sense, then I wouldn't expect the Kings to do it

[Ron Swanson]

You're not making any more "godfather" offers until we get under all the 2nd apron restrictions and let the draft pick clock reset a couple years. So probably wise to give up on any dreams of Mikal Bridges. In the meantime, a Brook/Bobby/Pat trade that nets you some future draft assets might actually be the way to go.

MIL Out: Brook
MIL In: Bruce Brown, 2025 Miami 1st, 2026 OKC 1st

TOR Out: Brown
TOR In: Ousmane Dieng

OKC Out: Dieng, 2X firsts
OKC In: Brook

[Sactown33]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

Appreciate the Kings perspective! Certainly don’t mean to be insulting with scenarios. And know that Bucks fans are jaded (if not damaged) from the Herb Kohl era if you see us contemplating how Sacramento ownership might blow it.

I think Middleton makes sense if the Kings believe they need an established star with deep playoff experience to get over the hump. Yes Khris has had injury issues the past few seasons but if he didn’t he wouldn’t be (potentially) available, and he just torched Indiana in the playoffs as our top option.

What Sacramento would or wouldn’t be willing to trade is a very reasonable question of course. Curious what you think?

Middleton is great, but the Kings aren’t the right team for him. He deserves to be on a contender and even with him, the Kings would max out as a second round exit. I think the trade Kings would be interested in something around Portis for sure. They need a backup big and more bench scoring. I think they’d be willing to move #13 for him, but the only contracts they’d have to match would be 1-2 of Mitchell, Duarte, Vezenkov, and Lyles. It’s more likely though to be a trade after the draft since they’re working on Plan A, which is to use #13 to get an upgrade at PF.

[paulpressey25]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

I like the Kings and your fanbase. And Monte Morris has done a nice job the past two years. That said, we all know Vivek is perhaps bottom five of owners that would allow himself to get emotionally attached to a bad deal.

Now granted, our front office may not be so hot either, but the concept is the Kings have a lot of pieces that work for some type of deal for Middleton, Lopez, Portis, etc. In my case I'm spit balling it all based on Vivek's track record the past decade. He may be frustrated the team took a step backwards last year.

[MiltownMadness]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

We spam Kings trades every offseason because we think your org is dumb. I agree we make no sense as trade partners

[ShootingtheJ]

Kings definitely seem like they could do something rash.





https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5587438/2024/06/24/sacramento-kings-nba-draft-free-agency-zach-edey-kyle-kuzma-zach-lavine/

I keep coming back to Bobby for one of Vezenkov, Mitchel, or Duarte and 13. It gets us under the 2nd apron, we can package up to 3 firsts plus 33, and now aggregate salaries in a trade. I would do that trade if its on the table and then take Ware at 13 who we apparently like, try to flip Pat and 23 for someone like Ayo, and depending on who is there at 33, either take someone who fell or trade out and get future 2nds.

If we're going to send out 3 firsts I keep coming back to Mikal Bridges. I'd make the Nets a godfather offer for him. He'd be a great fit now plus he's your long term Middleton replacement.

The Nets have already gotten Godfather offers. They've turned down 4 -1sts and turned down getting all their own picks back. They think they're going to land a FA. They're not, but this is the world we're living in.

With the Bulls linked to Devin Carter, we should be pooling resources for a big offer for Coby White.

[Bernman]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

Middleton is 32 yrs old. Will be 33 & 34 the next 2 yrs. 35-37 for about the duration of the protected extension. And he's got an old man game. Crafty, big wing, skilled shooter. Should age well. And there's plenty of a decline he can afford. He has similar stats the last several playoff runs as guys w/ far higher status like Tatum, George, & Butler.

I'd do some version of that move if I were you, w/out knowing the alternatives. You're not contenders now, but probably would be for a few yrs at least this way. That's the thought process.

I threw out Lillard for Fox as a halfcourt shot, once Fox showed a disinclination to extend. The thought process there is potentially more seasons w/ Lillard than Fox, even though Dame will be much older. And Dame may be viewed even better because of the All NBA teams. I don't think it, especially going forward. And I wouldn't do this if I were you. But Vivek is the Payton Pritchard of halfcourt shots of NBA moves.

[Ron Swanson]

Not sure if Givoney is just assuming based on prior interest, but it makes sense how Houston would still be in on Brook:

“The Rockets are clearly in win-now mode and would love to add star power to their roster, with players such as Kevin Durant, Jimmy Butler, Mikal Bridges and Brandon Ingram as well as role players including Brook Lopez and Marcus Smart being some that other teams say the Rockets could have interest in targeting (with some names more far-fetched than others)," Givony wrote.

Memphis and Houston are both great Brook trade targets. Getting Smart plus stuff or Eason and salary filler (Landale, Jeff Green, Tate) could be the play.

[BUCKnation]

I'm not super high on Smart, but I think him plus more for Brook would be a really good move.

Just have to hope he falls in line more as the 4th/5th option than he did in Boston. Although, a lot of that could be attributed to Boston's late game struggles as a whole with the J's.

[msiris]

Kings aren’t a contender though so making a change like that won’t push them over the top like it did for Boston. Instead it’ll just leave them without any young talent so Fox will leave in 2 years and they’ll have to start a full rebuild.

What about deal surrounding Bobby and Mids?

[machu46]

Keegan Murray, Ellis, Barnes, and #13 would be far from a terrible return for Middleton at this point. I could be convinced to pull the trigger on that deal even without 13 attached. Boy do some of you guys have a lot of faith in Keon Ellis being really good though.

With 13 included, I think I’d be game assuming Giannis is okay with it. Keegan, Ellis, and 13 (hopefully Carter, McCain, or Holland) is a good enough combo of short term and long term value for me to be interested.


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[machu46]

What’s the thought process here? Kings are “desperate” to make moves to extend Fox for a contract extension that starts 2026-27, so they trade their young players and picks for a guy that’s 34 years old and will be 36 by the time Fox’s contract extension kicks in. How does that make any sense?

I agree with this as well. I feel like if Vivek is like super desperate to make a splash, they probably try to get Lavine for essentially just salary matching pieces. If Sacramento plays it cool, Kyle Kuzma makes a lot of sense in my opinion. Relatively cheap contract for a fairly versatile player who fits the timeline.


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[yb90]

MIL - Out - Lopez
MIL - In - Barnes, #21(N.O.), and #45(Sac)

SAC - Out - Barnes, Huerter, # 13, and # 45
SAC - In - Ingram

N.O. - Out - Ingram and # 21
N.O. - In - Lopez, Huerter, and #13

In a perfect Bucks world they try to get Mitchell or Dyson from one of the teams but that maybe a stretch. Is Lopez worth more than a 1st and starting level player? Who knows.

Instead of trying to go the twin towers route Sac stays small and moves Murray down to 4 defensively. I'd take Ingram over Kuzma offensively and defensively how much better is Kuzma than Murray?

N.O. now has a big that spaces the floor and the # 13 pick which they may want to pkg with Huerter to get another player. Trade Huerter back to ATL with #13, Dyson, and a future 1st for Murray. If that did happen maybe the Bucks jump back in sending Barnes and picks to ATL for Hunter.

[paulpressey25]

Memphis and Houston are both great Brook trade targets. Getting Smart plus stuff or Eason and salary filler (Landale, Jeff Green, Tate) could be the play.

The question is whether Ime wants Brook or Smart more. If Brook, then they route Smart to Milwaukee. If either team added something to the Bucks, I'd do that deal.