Welcome to Boston, Jaden Springer!

[darrendaye]

I think I may just have to give up on sarcasm.

No, I got it. Just trying to play devil's advocate on myself.

Phew. I figured you of anyone would.

Just for the (non-sarcastic, not in reply to CG) record:

I'm solidly in camp Brad & Zarren new exactly what they were doing and what the 2nd apron financial ramifications would be and decided to trade for a player that they liked despite them. They always expected it to be for next season as well. So, what he did(n't) do this year on the team post-deadline means nada. They like Springer and think he has potential and we should expect him to play/develop it next year.

The idea that we're going to trade him and Pritchard and hobble by on vet mins and & 2nd round draft vet min salaries on 14 players while defending a title is crazy to me. Wyc gave the money-green colored light to Brad and he hit the gas.

I'm in the Springer stays camp. Designated defensive stopper if nothing else. He takes the ball away at a high level. Also hits his free throws.

[31to6]

Like most I still have to acclimate:
New rules say you can’t trade Springer with any pick(s) or any players, right?
If you’re dealing him, you have to match salary straight up. So trading isn’t really much of an option — I think he (along with Queta and Jordan) gets a chance to develop this year.

[Fierce1]

Like most I still have to acclimate:
New rules say you can’t trade Springer with any pick(s) or any players, right?
If you’re dealing him, you have to match salary straight up. So trading isn’t really much of an option — I think he (along with Queta and Jordan) gets a chance to develop this year.

Yeah, it's only fair Queta, Walsh, and Springer get a shot to make the rotation next season.

[redslastlaugh]

Like most I still have to acclimate:
New rules say you can’t trade Springer with any pick(s) or any players, right?
If you’re dealing him, you have to match salary straight up. So trading isn’t really much of an option — I think he (along with Queta and Jordan) gets a chance to develop this year.

New rules say you CAN trade him (by himself) and CAN be with pick(s) to receive back a player(s) who make less than him.

[31to6]

Like most I still have to acclimate:
New rules say you can’t trade Springer with any pick(s) or any players, right?
If you’re dealing him, you have to match salary straight up. So trading isn’t really much of an option — I think he (along with Queta and Jordan) gets a chance to develop this year.

New rules say you CAN trade him (by himself) and CAN be with pick(s) to receive back a player(s) who make less than him.

Thanks. Didn’t realize you can still attach one or more picks!

[Fierce1]

Like most I still have to acclimate:
New rules say you can’t trade Springer with any pick(s) or any players, right?
If you’re dealing him, you have to match salary straight up. So trading isn’t really much of an option — I think he (along with Queta and Jordan) gets a chance to develop this year.

New rules say you CAN trade him (by himself) and CAN be with pick(s) to receive back a player(s) who make less than him.

Springer plus a pick must get a player making less than Springer?

How about Springer and a pick for a player having the same salary as Springer?

[redslastlaugh]

Like most I still have to acclimate:
New rules say you can’t trade Springer with any pick(s) or any players, right?
If you’re dealing him, you have to match salary straight up. So trading isn’t really much of an option — I think he (along with Queta and Jordan) gets a chance to develop this year.

New rules say you CAN trade him (by himself) and CAN be with pick(s) to receive back a player(s) who make less than him.

Springer plus a pick must get a player making less than Springer?

How about Springer and a pick for a player having the same salary as Springer?

Springer makes $4,018,363 on hoopshype. Any player making that exact amount or less, yes. Though there are no other players next year with that same exact salary figure, closest is a couple vets at $4,000,000

[shackles10]

Please don’t trade my new binky before we’ve even had a proper Summer League love affair.

[31to6]

Please don’t trade my new binky before we’ve even had a proper Summer League love affair.

I don’t think he’s here primarily as a trade chip, since they had to trade a high 2nd to get him. I think he gets a real shot — hopefully starting with an AMAZING summer league!
(*any time anyone does any thing in SL it is amazing)

[cl2117]

The only logical explanation behind the Springer trade is that they genuinely think he might make a leap this offseason.

He didn’t really get a chance to break into the rotation last year, so it wasn’t a move they made for the “right now”. He’s relatively expensive at $4m given his NBA resume to date, yet he doesn’t have a large enough contract to realistically serve as great trade ballast. Plus we had to give up a 2nd that at the time was middling with upside (we had a worse 2nd in the same draft we could have used if it was just a token payment for eating salary). So this isn’t a 4D chess move where we’re creating massive flexibility.

Ultimately, I think the front office was looking for guys we could get on the cheap, who are further along on their developmental curve and might be more likely to break out sooner rather than later. That’s a strategy I can wholeheartedly get behind for a team in their championship window. Coupled with taking flyers on guys like Walsh who have a ton of tools, but need much more seasoning, Brad can try to develop his own pipeline while still trying to take some shortcuts to cheap bench depth.

Both Sam Cassell and Tyler Lashbrook (one of our player development coaches), worked with him in Philly and obviously really liked what they saw. He may fall on the heap of talented former 5 star high school recruits who never develop enough to be impactful at the NBA level, but at 21 he’s still got time to prove himself.

He reminds me a lot of Nesmith in the sense that it felt like he might put everything together, but it’d be on his 2nd NBA contract rather than his first. You can see the raw talent but it needs time to mature and that’s not likely to happen without serious investment in developmental minutes, which wasn’t an option/priority for a team with championship aspirations. My biggest worry with Springer is that, similar to his situation in Philly, he’s just not going to get the minutes to turn that corner in terms of his growth, but the juice we’d get out of him if he ever did is absolutely worth the squeeze.

So I’m cautiously optimistic about Springer, but more than that I’m very pro this approach to team building whereby we take shots on “2nd draft” players. Guys we draft in the 2nd round are very very unlikely to be able to make an impact in the near term, but a guy like Springer could theoretically make that jump much sooner. And if not? Trade him as an expiring for the next version of the same thing.

[Hal14]

Please don’t trade my new binky before we’ve even had a proper Summer League love affair.

Springer was a 1st round pick..we just traded assets for him and he's got 3 years of NBA experience under his belt. He's got a guaranteed contract for next season.

I doubt he'll be playing summer league.

[Hal14]

Just putting it out there. I did a google search just now of "Celtics trade Jaden Springer" and filtered for content from the past year.

I wanted to see if there has been any rumors, speculation or reports about a potential Springer trade on the horizon. Literally nothing came up.

The only things that came up in that Google search was stuff from the week or 2 after the trade went down that brought Springer to Boston - articles announcing the trade, breaking down the trade, talking about what Brad sees in Jaden, etc.

So 0 articles/content about Boston trading Springer on Google. But on RealGM (between this thread, the free agent/trade thread, the draft thread, multiple game threads and probably other threads, there's been TONS...countless posts on this board about the Celtics trading Springer.

Seems odd, imo.

[playa-hater]

Please don’t trade my new binky before we’ve even had a proper Summer League love affair.

Springer was a 1st round pick..we just traded assets for him and he's got 3 years of NBA experience under his belt. He's got a guaranteed contract for next season.

I doubt he'll be playing summer league.

Not saying he will or won't or should or shouldn't.. But he is battling for his NB.A life. So i'm not sure what would be better of those two choices.

[cl2117]

Just putting it out there. I did a google search just now of "Celtics trade Jaden Springer" and filtered for content from the past year.

I wanted to see if there has been any rumors, speculation or reports about a potential Springer trade on the horizon. Literally nothing came up.

The only things that came up in that Google search was stuff from the week or 2 after the trade went down that brought Springer to Boston - articles announcing the trade, breaking down the trade, talking about what Brad sees in Jaden, etc.

So 0 articles/content about Boston trading Springer on Google. But on RealGM (between this thread, the free agent/trade thread, the draft thread, multiple game threads and probably other threads, there's been TONS...countless posts on this board about the Celtics trading Springer.

Seems odd, imo.

To be fair he got traded literally at the trade deadline, you're not going to see much trade speculation in the media about a team making a championship run after that point.

I think it's more of a fact that, for the most part, no one wants to touch our top 8 and outside of that the only guy that we could even attempt to trade apart from Springer would be Jordan Walsh. So it makes sense why Springer's name gets tossed around here since he's basically the only real trade option.

I think the real nail in the coffin for a Springer trade is the lack of options we can match with. Just not many compelling names there.

If Springer does in fact not work out and we are looking to move on by the deadline, I'd expect him to be traded for a similar "2nd draft" guy. Someone with a rookie scale deal their current team is happy to shift for an expiring and a mediocre 2nd. We get another crack at a guy with 2-3 years under his belt that hasn't broken out yet, but still has time/potential.

[Hal14]

Please don’t trade my new binky before we’ve even had a proper Summer League love affair.

Springer was a 1st round pick..we just traded assets for him and he's got 3 years of NBA experience under his belt. He's got a guaranteed contract for next season.

I doubt he'll be playing summer league.

Not saying he will or won't or should or shouldn't.. But he is battling for his NB.A life. So i'm not sure what would be better of those two choices.

He's not battling for his NBA life. That's being dramatic.

Battling for his NBA life would be a guy who has been cut before (or cut multiple times), is a free agent, has no contract, has no team. And the only contract a team is willing to offer him is a summer league contract. Or they have an NBA contract but it's non-guaranteed.

That's not the case for Springer. He has a guaranteed contract, and we just traded assets to acquire him. And he was a 1st round pick.

Here are some guys who played summer league for us in recent years:
-Justin Champagnie. He was an undrafted player. We signed him as a FA with like 2 days left in the regular season. He played basically 0 mins for the Celtics in reg season or in playoffs. He had only 2 years of NBA experience..and he was literally playing for his NBA life since his contract was non-guaranteed for the upcoming season and he had a guarantee date (where a portion of his salary would become guaranteed) that was right after the last summer league game so he obviously had to play

-Brodric Thomas - undrafted. Was on a 2-way contract with Boston but during that season played 0 meaningful mins..0 playoff mins (2-ways can't play in playoffs, of course).

-Justin Jackson - was a free agent. Literally had no team, no contract during the summer he played for our SL team. was literally playing for his NBA life. He played like 2 games for BOS during mid season when all those guys were out with COVID..only played garbage time, then that was it..we're talking about the summer of 2022..yet he only played a total of 7 NBA games in the 21-22 season. And he only played in those 7 games because of COVID call-ups

-Dalano banton - had a non-guaranteed contract with BOS. And had only 2 years of NBA experience. Also, was signed to a minimum contract, rather than being a guy we actually traded assets for, and was making more $ than the minimum

-Matt Ryan. undrafted. Was on a 2-way contract with Boston but during that season played 0 meaningful mins..0 playoff mins (2-ways can't play in playoffs, of course).

-JD Davison - late 2nd round pick. Played 2 yrs of summer league for us. But both years he was just a guy on a 2-way contract..and I believe that when the SL season began, he hadn't yet signed his 2-way contract for the upcoming season so was technically playing for his NBA life

-Jordan Walsh - 2nd round pick. Had played 0 games in the NBA. All rookies with 0 games of experience (even Wemby and Paolo) play summer league

-Mfiondu Kabengele - was a late 1st round pick. Had 2 yrs of NBA experience. Did play 3 seasons after being drafted, but the 3rd season was spent entirely in the G league - did not play a single NBA game during the season prior to him playing SL for Boston. And joined the Celtics SL team with no contract whatsoever so he was certainly playing for his NBA life

Again, Springer has 3 years of NBA experience, he has a guaranteed spot on an NB team's 15 man roster and a guarantee contract. I'm genuinely not sure if any player has ever played a single summer league game ever, who has been in a situation like that. If it's happened it was probably a long time ago or the examples of it I'm sure are very few and far between..

[shackles10]

Please don’t trade my new binky before we’ve even had a proper Summer League love affair.

Springer was a 1st round pick..we just traded assets for him and he's got 3 years of NBA experience under his belt. He's got a guaranteed contract for next season.

I doubt he'll be playing summer league.

If he wants binky status on the RealGM Celtics board he better rethink it lol.

[redslastlaugh]

Just putting it out there. I did a google search just now of "Celtics trade Jaden Springer" and filtered for content from the past year. ……

So 0 articles/content about Boston trading Springer on Google. But on RealGM (between this thread, the free agent/trade thread, the draft thread, multiple game threads and probably other threads, there's been TONS...countless posts on this board about the Celtics trading Springer.

Seems odd, imo.

It’s not that odd, when you consider the second apron rules never existed before now. Since we can’t aggregate player contracts, outside of Jaden Springer there is no way to match salary to acquire bench help except trading a starter, Al Horford or Payton Pritchard.

But also, as far as young prospects, I think Jaden Springer is the least likely to be an impact NBA player. I prefer the games/upside of Walsh, Queta, Davison and Drew Peterson to Springer. So some trade ideas I’ve had just revolve around the notion that if you move Springer you open up playing time/roster spots for better prospects.

[Celts17Pride]

Just putting it out there. I did a google search just now of "Celtics trade Jaden Springer" and filtered for content from the past year.

I wanted to see if there has been any rumors, speculation or reports about a potential Springer trade on the horizon. Literally nothing came up.

The only things that came up in that Google search was stuff from the week or 2 after the trade went down that brought Springer to Boston - articles announcing the trade, breaking down the trade, talking about what Brad sees in Jaden, etc.

So 0 articles/content about Boston trading Springer on Google. But on RealGM (between this thread, the free agent/trade thread, the draft thread, multiple game threads and probably other threads, there's been TONS...countless posts on this board about the Celtics trading Springer.

Seems odd, imo.

I'm sure Stevens is rushing to media outlets right now to tell them all what his plans are for trades and the draft.

[Hal14]

Just putting it out there. I did a google search just now of "Celtics trade Jaden Springer" and filtered for content from the past year.

I wanted to see if there has been any rumors, speculation or reports about a potential Springer trade on the horizon. Literally nothing came up.

The only things that came up in that Google search was stuff from the week or 2 after the trade went down that brought Springer to Boston - articles announcing the trade, breaking down the trade, talking about what Brad sees in Jaden, etc.

So 0 articles/content about Boston trading Springer on Google. But on RealGM (between this thread, the free agent/trade thread, the draft thread, multiple game threads and probably other threads, there's been TONS...countless posts on this board about the Celtics trading Springer.

Seems odd, imo.

I'm sure Stevens is rushing to media outlets right now to tell them all what his plans are for trades and the draft.

That's not what I mean.

It could be anything. It could be an article by Brian Robb, Keith Smith, Washburn, Karalis, any of them. Perhaps an article where some Bleacher Report article..hell, even Hardwood Whodini, anything..some type of podcast, or blog..radio show..a tweet by Woj or Shams that hints at a potential trade in a subtle way.

Anything.

And it doesn't have to come from Brad Stevens' mouth..it could be any writer, reporter, blogger, podcaster, anyone who covers the Celtics, or covers one of the other 29 NBA teams..or who covers the NBA in general. Any of these people could have written something, speculated about something, said on a radio show or podcast that they think the Celtics should trade Springer. But none of them have. There hasn't been one peep about it anywhere on the internet that I can find. Yet there's been tons and tons of posts on here about it in various threads.

Just find it odd, that's all..not a big deal..

[phincsfan]

Please don’t trade my new binky before we’ve even had a proper Summer League love affair.

Springer was a 1st round pick..we just traded assets for him and he's got 3 years of NBA experience under his belt. He's got a guaranteed contract for next season.

I doubt he'll be playing summer league.

He's been locked in a gym since Saturday shooting 3's. 2 million more 3's to go, no way he gets to San Fran, Vegas or Utah.