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[LUKE23]

If Dame and Giannis are healthy, which is the only way the Bucks are winning the title, then the Bucks simply don’t need Khris’s 15 points a game at $30-plus million a year. If he opts out, and I think he does, he’ll be even more expensive. The Bucks can more smartly allocate those resources, preferably towards youth and defense.

I love Khris, but it’s time for him to go.

He averaged 20 points per 36 this year at .595 TS. That's with a 6-week layoff mid-season. Even with a healthy Dame and GA he's an efficient 20 ppg guy in the playoffs.

You win in the NBA playoffs with offensive depth and versatility now. Having a top third option is a must. I would much rather try and slightly improve on last year's 6th best O rating just by Dame working out this summer and more injury luck, and use other assets and offseason development to improve the 19th ranked D to hopefully 10-12 range. I have yet to see a realistic Middleton proposal that puts us closer to a title on this forum.

[fansinceforever]

Exactly, the Bucks don't need Khris Middleton to be a top 5-10 offense.

But they do need quite a few changes to have the personnel capable of being a top 5 defense. He seems to be our best chance at landing that.

[LUKE23]

Exactly, the Bucks don't need Khris Middleton to be a top 5-10 offense.

But they do need quite a few changes to have the personnel capable of being a top 5 defense. He seems to be our best chance at landing that.

Dame and GA both only missed 9 games this year and they finished 6th in O rating. If Middleton played 0 instead of 55 games, where would they have been? They absolutely need Middleton to be a top 5 offense.

I think it's easier to improve around the margins and with another full season of Dame/coaching staff integration than it is to trade Middleton for multiple decent pieces and maintain the O while drastically improving the D.

[Rstuedes24]

The Middleton disrespect is still crazy. If you get a clear cut upgrade that extends the window, sure, move on from him but that is very unlikely to happen. Gimme Midds all day over 2 decent role players. Just a few years ago a whole bunch of people complained we needed more top end talent at the cost of depth and now apparently it's the opposite.

I love Brook but if we can ship him off to Houston and get Eason back that's an easy yes, he's one of the guys I would love to get on this team

[Bernman]

I did watch the playoffs, I watched Middleton put up some nice numbers while losing to a #6 seed because he had the extra bright green light due to Giannis being out and Dame being out or hobbled.

You should be happy that the guy who is physically incapable of playing in B2Bs kind of raised his trade value this off-season.

You contradicted your own argument noting the other core players were out. So the argument's basically "he didn't beat a 6th seed by himself". Neither did Jalen Brunson. So I suppose you should just trade every non All NBA 1st teamer..for role players.

Then when the role players are on the team you'd bemoan we couldn't win a championship cuz almost all players suck since they're just role players. So we should have kept the core player who won a championship here.

[rilamann]

I'd much rather have Middleton than 3 meh players.

I would rather have 3 meh players that can actually be counted on to suit up on a regular basis, not miss 4 weeks every time they fall down and physically capable of playing B2Bs.

Than the 2025 version of Khris Middleton.

Three healthy meh players aren't taking you anyplace significant, and you don't need to trade Khris Middleton to get them. Honestly, who cares about back to backs? They don't have them in the playoffs. We shouldn't be playing anybody important on back to backs.

The healthy meh/rotation players are making a huge difference on the margins if your two best players are Giannis & Dame.

Obviously, I am not saying just give Khris away, but if you can get multiple solid, dependable rotation players for him. I am doing that. It's an easy choice.

Khris being physically incapable of playing B2Bs is a huge deal. It's more about his overall limitations than it is Oh no, Khris can't play against Detroit tonight on this random Tuesday in January.

I like Khris, I really do. But relying on him as your #3 guy at this point in his career if you're trying to win a championship is setting yourself up for more failure and disappointment.

[fansinceforever]

Exactly, the Bucks don't need Khris Middleton to be a top 5-10 offense.

But they do need quite a few changes to have the personnel capable of being a top 5 defense. He seems to be our best chance at landing that.

Dame and GA both only missed 9 games this year and they finished 6th in O rating. If Middleton played 0 instead of 55 games, where would they have been? They absolutely need Middleton to be a top 5 offense.

I think it's easier to improve around the margins and with another full season of Dame/coaching staff integration than it is to trade Middleton for multiple decent pieces and maintain the O while drastically improving the D.

You're not factoring in what we receive for Middleton and additional personnel moves. The Bucks can build a very efficient offense capable of wining a championship around those two.

This roster is not a guy at the 2 spot who can slide their feet away from winning a championship. Not in my opinion at least.

[rilamann]

I hate Middleton and think he sucks.

Yet I am on here right now arguing we could get really good value for him this off season.

Some of you guys are hilarious.

[Bernman]

If Dame and Giannis are healthy, which is the only way the Bucks are winning the title, then the Bucks simply don’t need Khris’s 15 points a game at $30-plus million a year. If he opts out, and I think he does, he’ll be even more expensive. The Bucks can more smartly allocate those resources, preferably towards youth and defense.

I love Khris, but it’s time for him to go.

"The only way the Bucks are winning a title are if Dame & Giannis are healthy".

I must be misremembering Dame not holding up Larry O'Brien's trophy in '21. I thought it was Khris.

It must have been Jrue's ts% of 48 we couldn't win w/out now. We couldn't just get that, or better, & similar defense, for our role guys, or even Dame (& A LOT more).

[SirChurros]

Disgusting the disrespect Middleton gets on here.

[ReasonablySober]

If Dame and Giannis are healthy, which is the only way the Bucks are winning the title, then the Bucks simply don’t need Khris’s 15 points a game at $30-plus million a year. If he opts out, and I think he does, he’ll be even more expensive. The Bucks can more smartly allocate those resources, preferably towards youth and defense.

I love Khris, but it’s time for him to go.

He averaged 20 points per 36 this year at .595 TS. That's with a 6-week layoff mid-season. Even with a healthy Dame and GA he's an efficient 20 ppg guy in the playoffs.

You win in the NBA playoffs with offensive depth and versatility now. Having a top third option is a must. I would much rather try and slightly improve on last year's 6th best O rating just by Dame working out this summer and more injury luck, and use other assets and offseason development to improve the 19th ranked D to hopefully 10-12 range. I have yet to see a realistic Middleton proposal that puts us closer to a title on this forum.

Khris is not averaging 20 ppg next to a healthy Dame and a healthy Giannis. He could do so if one or both of them are out with injuries, but then the Bucks aren't winning a title and it doesn't matter what Khris scores.

[fansinceforever]

Lol it's funny to see people intentionally misunderstand the point. No one is disrespecting Middleton. Again, He is our BEST TRADE asset for a reason.

The Bucks are a middling, at best, defensive team. Middling defensive teams don't win championships. Trading Middleton while his value is high is our best chance to land multiple players that can extend the window. There is no window if you can't improve defensively.

[Bernman]

The notion it's hard to get a d & adequate 3 guard or wing to win a chip, & we have to trade a core player for one, is ridiculous.

There's like 50 in the NBA. Many are acquired w/ 2nd rd picks, undrafted, on minimums, trade throw-ins, etc. Just trade one of our own role guys, or do actual scouting. Don't trade your core players & act like we're doomed if we don't, instead of the opposite.

[SirChurros]

Lol it's funny to see people intentionally misunderstand the point. No one is disrespecting Middleton. Again, He is our BEST TRADE asset for a reason.

The Bucks are a middling, at best, defensive team. Middling defensive teams don't win championships. Trading Middleton while his value is high is our best chance to land multiple players that can extend the window. There is no window if you can't improve defensively.

A middling defensive team just rolled through the western conference, beating two top 10 offenses in the process.

[Daver]

I would rather have 3 meh players that can actually be counted on to suit up on a regular basis, not miss 4 weeks every time they fall down and physically capable of playing B2Bs.

Than the 2025 version of Khris Middleton.

Three healthy meh players aren't taking you anyplace significant, and you don't need to trade Khris Middleton to get them. Honestly, who cares about back to backs? They don't have them in the playoffs. We shouldn't be playing anybody important on back to backs.

The healthy meh/rotation players are making a huge difference on the margins if your two best players are Giannis & Dame.

Obviously, I am not saying just give Khris away, but if you can get multiple solid, dependable rotation players for him. I am doing that. It's an easy choice.

Khris being physically incapable of playing B2Bs is a huge deal. It's more about his overall limitations than it is Oh no, Khris can't play against Detroit tonight on this random Tuesday in January.

I like Khris, I really do. But relying on him as your #3 guy at this point in his career if you're trying to win a championship is setting yourself up for more failure and disappointment.

How bout relying on our MVP to be healthy come playoff time is just setti g yourself up for failure n disappointment least kris was available come playoff time.Something this board preaches every GD year who cares about the RS as long as your healthy come playoffs.Well midds has answered the bell giannis hasnt the last 2 years

[fansinceforever]

Lol it's funny to see people intentionally misunderstand the point. No one is disrespecting Middleton. Again, He is our BEST TRADE asset for a reason.

The Bucks are a middling, at best, defensive team. Middling defensive teams don't win championships. Trading Middleton while his value is high is our best chance to land multiple players that can extend the window. There is no window if you can't improve defensively.

A middling defensive team just rolled through the western conference, beating two top 10 offenses in the process.

Yep, a middling team that played amazing defense in the playoffs out of nowhere. A team that's lead by only two offensive ball dominant players, not three.

Oh yeah, and that team also got absolutely destroyed by a legitimately good defensive team in the finals.

[ReasonablySober]

If Dame and Giannis are healthy, which is the only way the Bucks are winning the title, then the Bucks simply don’t need Khris’s 15 points a game at $30-plus million a year. If he opts out, and I think he does, he’ll be even more expensive. The Bucks can more smartly allocate those resources, preferably towards youth and defense.

I love Khris, but it’s time for him to go.

"The only way the Bucks are winning a title are if Dame & Giannis are healthy".

I must be misremembering Dame not holding up Larry O'Brien's trophy in '21. I thought it was Khris.

It must have been Jrue's ts% of 48 we couldn't win w/out now. We couldn't just get that, or better, & similar defense, for our role guys, or even Dame (& A LOT more).

If anything you're making the argument for me. That year the Bucks had two star scorers in Giannis (35 ppg) and Middleton (24 ppg), surrounded by defensive stars like Jrue, Lopez, and Tucker.

Dame and Giannis are all the offense you need next June. What's missing is the Jrue in this equation: 41 minutes of elite defense every game while also being a factor on offense.

If you can land that while only using some combination of 23, 33, and Bobby Portis I'd love to see it. But no one here has figured that out.

[Matches Malone]

How do we tell them about Gery? lol

Read on Twitter

[Daver]

How do we tell them about Gery? lol

Read on Twitter

If so can i see a marcus smart plus ? coming to the bucks.You all want that D guy like him or not hes one of those guys

[SirChurros]

Lol it's funny to see people intentionally misunderstand the point. No one is disrespecting Middleton. Again, He is our BEST TRADE asset for a reason.

The Bucks are a middling, at best, defensive team. Middling defensive teams don't win championships. Trading Middleton while his value is high is our best chance to land multiple players that can extend the window. There is no window if you can't improve defensively.

A middling defensive team just rolled through the western conference, beating two top 10 offenses in the process.

Yep, a middling team that played amazing defense in the playoffs out of nowhere. A team that's lead by only two offensive ball dominant players, not three.

Oh yeah, and that team also got absolutely destroyed by a legitimately good defensive team in the finals.

Right, and the Bucks are a much better team all around than Dallas.