Ivey + Stewart for Ingram

[Bentley1225]

Ill offer this deal either at draft or lease in free agency period.

To New Orleans
-Jaden Ivey (1 year, $8 million plus T.O.)
-Isaiah Stewart (3 years, $45 million plus T.O.)

To Detroit
-Brandon Ingram (1 year, $36 million)

Why?
-The Pistons need a young wing with experience to re-shape their roster around Cade and Duren as long term building block. They can target a wing or 4 man in draft.

Cunningham/Sasser/Flynn?
Thompson/Grimes/FA?
Ingram/#5?/Fontecchio?
FA?/FA?/FA?
Duren/WIseman?/FA?

-The Pelicans get 2 younger pieces who are more controllable/under long term deals while they gain more cap flexibility. They can replace Valinciunas with Stewart.

Daniels/Ivey/Alvarado
McCollum/Hawkins/FA?
Jones/Murphy/Ryan/
Williamson/Nance/Lidell
Stewart/#21/FA?

[BuddyBuckets]

Ingram has enough value to net #5 and Stewart. No-one wants Ivey given his body of work to this point.

[MotownMadness]

Yes

[Colbinii]

Ingram has enough value to net #5 and Stewart. No-one wants Ivey given his body of work to this point.

Why not? I like his body of work and potential compared to Giddey.

[babyjax13]

Ivey is a terrible fit with Zion.

[Whole Truth]

Detroit trade - (#5, Stewart, cap space) for (BI, #21)

Nets S&T - (Claxton 25m) for (cap space, NO's FRP)

NO's trade - (BI, #21, FRP) for (Claxton S&T, Stewart, #5)

[zeebneeb]

Ivey is a terrible fit with Zion.

Why? I ask this as I was forced to sit through 82 games of garbage this year, and last.

Just saying this, doesn't make it true. When Ivey was given the reigns, his passing really started to develop. I believe he would fit very well with Zion.

Regardless, I don't like this deal, as I'm not all that high on Ingrahm, and I don't live the prospect of having to pay him a max deal almost immediately.

New Orleans would be lucky to get a deal like this.

[Snakebites]

We’ve already got one guy who’s not really worth the max who we’ll soon be paying the max. I’d just assume not add a second.

[LarsV8]

I don't think New Orleans is ready to accept a low valuation of Ingram, even if it is appropriate.

[donato]

Pelicans would definitely need more.

[Whole Truth]

Ivey is a terrible fit with Zion.

Why? I ask this as I was forced to sit through 82 games of garbage this year, and last.

Just saying this, doesn't make it true. When Ivey was given the reigns, his passing really started to develop. I believe he would fit very well with Zion.

Regardless, I don't like this deal, as I'm not all that high on Ingrahm, and I don't live the prospect of having to pay him a max deal almost immediately.

New Orleans would be lucky to get a deal like this.

Ivey shot 33% from 3, 3% better than Daniels.

[MotownMadness]

Maybe we shouldn't be locking up Cade and Ingram on max deals lol

[MoreyWins]

Has a Brandon Ingram for Cam Johnson and Dennis Schroder trade been shared? I'd hate to make a thread if one existed already. Brooklyn seems more likely to give Ingram a max since they're in a state of being unable to bottom out or attract All-NBA level players in Free Agency.

[Whole Truth]

I don't think New Orleans is ready to accept a low valuation of Ingram, even if it is appropriate.

I was expecting it & it's based in Greens management/usage. Anyone trading for BI will find they landed a better player than they traded for. Depending, I'd rather keep BI & move CJ.

Under SVG BI was taking upwards of 6 APG from 3 at near 40% in his 2yrs. Under Green the last 3 yrs 3-4 at 35%.

Jonas was +1.5 with the starters. Nance -6.5 but Green opted for Nance to close halves where NO's are a much better first half team than 2nd half team.

Meanwhile Utah's coach has people overvaluing Lauri where more than 90% of his made baskets are assisted.

If Bi is not being valued in trade, I'd definitely opt to keep him. The poor fit talk between him & ZIon is skewed with CJ's involvement. Remove anyone of the usage players & NO's have positive lineups, including Murphy for Zion.

[BuddyBuckets]

Has a Brandon Ingram for Cam Johnson and Dennis Schroder trade been shared? I'd hate to make a thread if one existed already. Brooklyn seems more likely to give Ingram a max since they're in a state of being unable to bottom out or attract All-NBA level players in Free Agency.

The Ingram/Murphy III trades are mostly based on the premise that the Pels have too many wings. I like Cam but he's not needed on this roster.

[jbk1234]

The most recent reporting is that Ingram will be gone within a week which suggests to me anyway that the Pelicans have draft compensation on the table.

[Whole Truth]

The most recent reporting is that Ingram will be gone within a week which suggests to me anyway that the Pelicans have draft compensation on the table.

How do you come to that conclusion ?

Is it not possible it could be to avoid a player/s about to get a salary bump ?

For instance if it's Murray, he goes from 18 - 25m where Atlanta might want to attach Capela to open a spot for a 5 they're about to draft.

Murray at 18m + Capela 20m = 38m, Murray post draft makes the combo 45m
Murray at 18m + OO 8m = 36m, Murray, OO post draft are a combined 50m BI's extension

BI at 33m + Daniels 5m = 38m
BI + picks = 33m

I personally don't like the Capela deal. BI & pick/s for Murray & Okongwu can potentially work

[babyjax13]

Ivey is a terrible fit with Zion.

Why? I ask this as I was forced to sit through 82 games of garbage this year, and last.

Just saying this, doesn't make it true. When Ivey was given the reigns, his passing really started to develop. I believe he would fit very well with Zion.

Regardless, I don't like this deal, as I'm not all that high on Ingrahm, and I don't live the prospect of having to pay him a max deal almost immediately.

New Orleans would be lucky to get a deal like this.

Ivey can't shoot and scores in the same places as Zion. He's essentially playing a similar role on offense but is less effective. You would have a "you then me" situation where the sum is less than their parts.

[theBigLip]

So much to comment on

NO has to trade Ingram now. They don't want to pay him the max and he only has one year left. They lose him for nothing next year (unless there is a sign/trade, but not likely).

Detroit could use him for sure, but as previously mentioned, he would expect a max extension almost immediately. So for Detroit it is either an overpay or a one year rental.

Ivey is not crap. He wasn't coached well last year. But he is a fantastic athlete and is young, so he should continue to improve. Not a good time for Detroit to sell low.

So now, back to the trade, you really expect the Pistons to give up Ivey and Stewart? Too much for a one year rental. If a reasonable contract extension could get worked out BEFORE the trade (which may/may not be possible), that would be different.

[jbk1234]

The most recent reporting is that Ingram will be gone within a week which suggests to me anyway that the Pelicans have draft compensation on the table.

How do you come to that conclusion ?

Is it not possible it could be to avoid a player/s about to get a salary bump ?

For instance if it's Murray, he goes from 18 - 25m where Atlanta might want to attach Capela to open a spot for a 5 they're about to draft.

Murray at 18m + Capela 20m = 38m, Murray post draft this combo are 45m

BI at 33m + Daniels 5m = 38m

I personally don't like it.

Ingram will be at $36M once the new basketball year starts.