Chicago finally picks a lane

[tiderulz]

Orlando is a great choice for him though. I think the trade isn't terrible. Maybe switch that 1st with a cpl SRPs and call it a day.

Lavine can score from the perimeter and handle. His defense can be covered up by Suggs.

Orlando has their SG in 3&D Suggs, they need a PG upgrade.

Put lavine there

so take a monster contract, which hampers re-signing the current core, and play him out of position? and even when your current star says the team wants 2-way players and Zach has been almost allergic to defense. no thanks, Orlando can spend money it better ways. Orlando can go deal with Portland and get Simons for $20mil/yr less.

not worried about it, no way our front office goes near Zach's deal.

[esvl]

Why on earth would MEM do that?

Nobody seems to care what either MEM or ORL thinks here

[hugepatsfan]

If Lavine and Vucevic had this kind of value, I don't think CHI would be struggling to pick a direction. The reason they're struggling to pick a direction is because those guys have no trade value on those contracts.

[Andre Roberstan]

Orlando is a great choice for him though. I think the trade isn't terrible. Maybe switch that 1st with a cpl SRPs and call it a day.

Lavine can score from the perimeter and handle. His defense can be covered up by Suggs.

Orlando has their SG in 3&D Suggs, they need a PG upgrade.

Put lavine there

whatever Lavine is, he's not a PG, and certainly not the one that would help Orlando.

[giberish]

If Orlando had some bad contracts to send out, then bad contracts + Howard and/or #18 might make sense for LaVine. But Chicago would have to add incentives to turn LaVine into cap space.

Similarly if Memphis is trading down from #9 than they're shopping for more than Vuc. Vuc is the type of center they might end up with if they don't use #9 (or other assets) in a trade.

[Slim Charless]

Orlando has their SG in 3&D Suggs, they need a PG upgrade.

Put lavine there

whatever Lavine is, he's not a PG, and certainly not the one that would help Orlando.

He was drafted as a PG, and played it endless times over the years. He can play PG. Easily.

[Chi town]

Lavine is neutral until he shows he is healthy IMO.

Once healthy he gets you a 1st.

AK trying to move him to keep DDR which is the absolute worst fit imaginable.

[jbk1234]

If Orlando had some bad contracts to send out, then bad contracts + Howard and/or #18 might make sense for LaVine. But Chicago would have to add incentives to turn LaVine into cap space.

Similarly if Memphis is trading down from #9 than they're shopping for more than Vuc. Vuc is the type of center they might end up with if they don't use #9 (or other assets) in a trade.

I have Cole Anthony as a bad contract now that his extension has kicked in.

[jjohns828]

If Orlando had some bad contracts to send out, then bad contracts + Howard and/or #18 might make sense for LaVine. But Chicago would have to add incentives to turn LaVine into cap space.

Similarly if Memphis is trading down from #9 than they're shopping for more than Vuc. Vuc is the type of center they might end up with if they don't use #9 (or other assets) in a trade.

I have Cole Anthony as a bad contract now that his extension has kicked in.

I mean it's a bad contract but not bad enough to make a Zach Lavine trade worthwhile. Luckily I can't picture our front office ever taking a chance on Lavine.

[Karmaloop]

I think Lavine is starting to get a little underrated, honestly. He's a good scorer and he's putting up 20/5/4 on decent efficiency in a sub-optimal environment. I don't think Chicago has to pay to get off him; I don't think they get a great return, but "they have to pay" seems wild to me.

Best case scenario, he's a poor man's Bradley Beal. And Beal fetched 4 swaps and I believe 6 SRPs.

[Andre Roberstan]

Put lavine there

whatever Lavine is, he's not a PG, and certainly not the one that would help Orlando.

He was drafted as a PG, and played it endless times over the years. He can play PG. Easily.

He was played as a PG when he was drafted specifically cause they wanted him to get reps there because he WASN'T a good playmaker. Sort of like Booker, but Booker was leagues ahead of Lavine as a playmaker when he was drafted. Lavine was ROUGH. I watched some of those games. They were brutal.

He's a better playmaker now, but I would not in any universe call him a guy I'd want as a starting point guard. Better doesn't mean good.

[giberish]

If Orlando had some bad contracts to send out, then bad contracts + Howard and/or #18 might make sense for LaVine. But Chicago would have to add incentives to turn LaVine into cap space.

Similarly if Memphis is trading down from #9 than they're shopping for more than Vuc. Vuc is the type of center they might end up with if they don't use #9 (or other assets) in a trade.

I have Cole Anthony as a bad contract now that his extension has kicked in.

Anthony is only a mildly bad contract. IMO not bad enough to make an Anthony + cap space for LaVine deal good value for Orlando (even with nothing else added). Though the straight Anthony + cap space for LaVine deal is at least close enough that I wouldn't be shocked if it happened. I would be shocked if Chicago gets cap space + incentives for LaVine.

[tiderulz]

If Orlando had some bad contracts to send out, then bad contracts + Howard and/or #18 might make sense for LaVine. But Chicago would have to add incentives to turn LaVine into cap space.

Similarly if Memphis is trading down from #9 than they're shopping for more than Vuc. Vuc is the type of center they might end up with if they don't use #9 (or other assets) in a trade.

I have Cole Anthony as a bad contract now that his extension has kicked in.

2 years around the MLE for a 6th man, with a team option for the 3rd year. i'd say neutral at worse

[tiderulz]

If Orlando had some bad contracts to send out, then bad contracts + Howard and/or #18 might make sense for LaVine. But Chicago would have to add incentives to turn LaVine into cap space.

Similarly if Memphis is trading down from #9 than they're shopping for more than Vuc. Vuc is the type of center they might end up with if they don't use #9 (or other assets) in a trade.

I have Cole Anthony as a bad contract now that his extension has kicked in.

Anthony is only a mildly bad contract. IMO not bad enough to make an Anthony + cap space for LaVine deal good value for Orlando (even with nothing else added). Though the straight Anthony + cap space for LaVine deal is at least close enough that I wouldn't be shocked if it happened. I would be shocked if Chicago gets cap space + incentives for LaVine.

you havent followed our front office if you thought that

[jjohns828]

I have Cole Anthony as a bad contract now that his extension has kicked in.

Anthony is only a mildly bad contract. IMO not bad enough to make an Anthony + cap space for LaVine deal good value for Orlando (even with nothing else added). Though the straight Anthony + cap space for LaVine deal is at least close enough that I wouldn't be shocked if it happened. I would be shocked if Chicago gets cap space + incentives for LaVine.

you havent followed our front office if you thought that

This is an important factor. I've been frustrated sometimes by thinking our front office is too risk adverse and overly cautious but at least it means I can be fairly confident they won't do something like roll the dice on Lavine.

[Slim Charless]

whatever Lavine is, he's not a PG, and certainly not the one that would help Orlando.

He was drafted as a PG, and played it endless times over the years. He can play PG. Easily.

He was played as a PG when he was drafted specifically cause they wanted him to get reps there because he WASN'T a good playmaker. Sort of like Booker, but Booker was leagues ahead of Lavine as a playmaker when he was drafted. Lavine was ROUGH. I watched some of those games. They were brutal.

He's a better playmaker now, but I would not in any universe call him a guy I'd want as a starting point guard. Better doesn't mean good.

Yeah but with him, Franz and Paulo ORL has guys that can do it. Kinda like a group thing.

I'd buy low on him. The narrative has gone too far IMO. He's not a bum.

[Andre Roberstan]

He was drafted as a PG, and played it endless times over the years. He can play PG. Easily.

He was played as a PG when he was drafted specifically cause they wanted him to get reps there because he WASN'T a good playmaker. Sort of like Booker, but Booker was leagues ahead of Lavine as a playmaker when he was drafted. Lavine was ROUGH. I watched some of those games. They were brutal.

He's a better playmaker now, but I would not in any universe call him a guy I'd want as a starting point guard. Better doesn't mean good.

Yeah but with him, Franz and Paulo ORL has guys that can do it. Kinda like a group thing.

I'd buy low on him. The narrative has gone too far IMO. He's not a bum.

Oh I agree with you there. I don't agree on going the ball handling by community route, though; I can't think of a good team in the last 20 years that hasn't had at least one, usually two elite ball handlers.