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The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

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Assuming this is the last major addition, are you more excited than you were last offseason?

Yes
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64%
No
1
2%
About the same
15
33%
 
Total votes: 45

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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#81 » by Mr Puddles » Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:48 am

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Just another solid trade back option for James Jones to consider! If nothing better materializes, get this done James Jones. :D


Combining rumors, if the guy the jazz want is available at 22 I could see something like this go down:

Suns in:
#29 (Kolek)
#32 (BPA)
Kessler

Suns out:
#22
'31 pick (top 4 protected)
Little.


I saw this one and reminds me a bit of your trade.

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I'd love for that trade to happen, but it's too lobsided in favor of the Suns. We're basically swapping Nurkic for Smart straight up which is highway robbery IMO.

Also, no way the Jazz do this without our '31. We'd basically be swapping Little for Kessler as the picks cancel each other out.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#82 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:59 pm

Mr Puddles wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
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Combining rumors, if the guy the jazz want is available at 22 I could see something like this go down:

Suns in:
#29 (Kolek)
#32 (BPA)
Kessler

Suns out:
#22
'31 pick (top 4 protected)
Little.


I saw this one and reminds me a bit of your trade.

Read on Twitter


I'd love for that trade to happen, but it's too lobsided in favor of the Suns. We're basically swapping Nurkic for Smart straight up which is highway robbery IMO.

Also, no way the Jazz do this without our '31. We'd basically be swapping Little for Kessler as the picks cancel each other out.


Yeah!
The players that I have us getting back from Utah in a trade back ( without the 2031 1st) would be Kessler and Potter. Although I don't really think you can get Kessler and the 29 and 32 included without Ainge getting back the 2031 1st . IF the trade was just Little/ 22nd in a trade back scenario with Utah, the best return we could realistically get would be something along the lines of Yurtseven, Potter, 29th and 32nd picks.

Otherwise you look at Little/ 22/ PHX 2031 1st ( top 4 protected) for Kessler/ Potter ( draft rights) / 29th/ 32nd/ MINN' 25 1st ( top 15 protected). I'd push very hard for the Minnesota 25' 1st ( protections optional) coming back so we can have that leverage asset to attach in other trades. And might even look to flip it on draft night to Portland for the 34th and 40th picks giving us a cumulative of:

Kessler, Potter, 29th, 32nd, 34th, 40th picks.
29- Tyler Smith.
32- Ryan Dunn.
34- Ajay Mitchell.
40- Keshad Johnson.

** Also, Memphis is dangling Marcus Smart inmore high profile trade up scenarios with Houston and San Antonio in potential trade up scenarios ( as they're heavily targeting Clingan) as their top draft pick option.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#83 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:05 pm

Mr Puddles wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Combining rumors, if the guy the jazz want is available at 22 I could see something like this go down:

Suns in:
#29 (Kolek)
#32 (BPA)
Kessler

Suns out:
#22
'31 pick (top 4 protected)
Little.


Gun to your head, would you rather have Kolek or Ajay Mitchell? Also which of these two combos would be more appealing to you?
Kolek/ Dunn.
OR
Mitchell/Dunn.


I'm not that knowledgeable about college players to be honest, I wrote Kolek for 29 because he's been tied to the team and might slip to the end of the first round.

I think we're using Dunn as a trade bluff. It's too much of a coincidence for the conspiracy theorist in me that the Knicks are reportedly high on them, we're reportedly looking to trade down, the Knicks have two first rounders late in the first, and now we're tied to the guy they want.


I love Kolek and Dunn each for their respective elite abilities/ skillsets but my gut does also tell me that the Suns are also putting these Dunn interest reports out to the band pressure the Knicks to move up for Dunn ( not because the suns don't like Dunn too) because the suns feel that they can still get two top prospects from their big board if they can find a favorable trade back scenario.

Two being better than one in this context. :D
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#84 » by Crives » Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:26 pm

If we trade 22 for 29/31…. Probably need to take bona at 31 as most of good centers probably gone. 29 take whichever guy falls kolek/Dunn/TSJ
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#85 » by Fo-Real » Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:33 pm

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Mr Puddles wrote:
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Gun to your head, would you rather have Kolek or Ajay Mitchell? Also which of these two combos would be more appealing to you?
Kolek/ Dunn.
OR
Mitchell/Dunn.


I'm not that knowledgeable about college players to be honest, I wrote Kolek for 29 because he's been tied to the team and might slip to the end of the first round.

I think we're using Dunn as a trade bluff. It's too much of a coincidence for the conspiracy theorist in me that the Knicks are reportedly high on them, we're reportedly looking to trade down, the Knicks have two first rounders late in the first, and now we're tied to the guy they want.


I love Kolek and Dunn each for their respective elite abilities/ skillsets but my gut does also tell me that the Suns are also putting these Dunn interest reports out to the band pressure the Knicks to move up for Dunn ( not because the suns don't like Dunn too) because the suns feel that they can still get two top prospects from their big board if they can find a favorable trade back scenario.

Two being better than one in this context. :D


Ya, cause we are CLEARLY TAKING BRONNY :lol:
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#86 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:09 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Suns need to sign Kris Dunn and then draft Ryan Dunn. The play-by-play commentary will be great.


God bless Drysdale if this happens.

Kris Dunn played well, but it's another guy in his 30s. But, if we take Dunn, Missi, etc, and/or Kolek is gone, he is probably one of the best options if he would sign for the minimum.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#87 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:11 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Combining rumors, if the guy the jazz want is available at 22 I could see something like this go down:

Suns in:
#29 (Kolek)
#32 (BPA)
Kessler

Suns out:
#22
'31 pick (top 4 protected)
Little.


Gun to your head, would you rather have Kolek or Ajay Mitchell? Also which of these two combos would be more appealing to you?
Kolek/ Dunn.
OR
Mitchell/Dunn.


I'm not that knowledgeable about college players to be honest, I wrote Kolek for 29 because he's been tied to the team and might slip to the end of the first round.

I think we're using Dunn as a trade bluff. It's too much of a coincidence for the conspiracy theorist in me that the Knicks are reportedly high on them, we're reportedly looking to trade down, the Knicks have two first rounders late in the first, and now we're tied to the guy they want.


Yeah, I'd be surprised if we took Dunn. I think we would rather throw people off of us wanting Kolek, to possibly prevent someone from trading up ahead of us to take him. I could see Utah really liking Kolek. And I know Orlando and Miami do.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#88 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:21 pm

I feel like Ainge will rip off JJ somehow. I'd rather not deal with him out of that fear.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#89 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:32 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Gun to your head, would you rather have Kolek or Ajay Mitchell? Also which of these two combos would be more appealing to you?
Kolek/ Dunn.
OR
Mitchell/Dunn.


I'm not that knowledgeable about college players to be honest, I wrote Kolek for 29 because he's been tied to the team and might slip to the end of the first round.

I think we're using Dunn as a trade bluff. It's too much of a coincidence for the conspiracy theorist in me that the Knicks are reportedly high on them, we're reportedly looking to trade down, the Knicks have two first rounders late in the first, and now we're tied to the guy they want.


Yeah, I'd be surprised if we took Dunn. I think we would rather throw people off of us wanting Kolek, to possibly prevent someone from trading up ahead of us to take him. I could see Utah really liking Kolek. And I know Orlando and Miami do.


Don't forget Milwaukee and New York possibly as a more traditional complimentary backcourt playmaking option to their dominant offensive scoring guards they both feature. Miami has Dillingham and McCain at the top of their point guard lists, But also is really high on Ware and Missi as potential options that'd allow them to have Adebayo play at the 4 for a more dominant frontcourt duo.

We also love McCain too and actually have him above Kolek on our draft big board, but understand that outside of an anomalous move up ( to the 10-14 range) into the lottery, he's far outside of our reach. Me, I'm greedy and want a trade back with the outlier hope of Kolek and Missi or Kolek and Dunn somehow becoming suns players in a trade back scenario.

Otherwise some other combo of Missi/ Mitchell, Dunn/ Mitchell, Ware/ Kolek, Ware/ Mitchell, Tyler Smith/ Kolek, Tyler Smith/ Mitchell, etc. But again am flexible in my combinations because I also have Zyon Pullin fairly highly ranked on my big board of guards, and am also open to names like Enrique Freeman and Adem Bona as potentially strong defensive alternatives to Missi and Dunn.

But I would absolutely prefer to try and maximize this draft to walk out of this draft with no less than 2-3 young athletic prospects to energize our listless bench. :D
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Post#90 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:02 pm

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Post#91 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:59 am

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The first Cavs one would be a no brainer for us. Cavs would never in a million years do it. I'd probably do either Pelicans one and think hard about the Knicks one. I also like the Hawks one for Capela and Murray. They are both defensive guys who would counter Booker/Beal/Allen, etc's strengths well. I'd probably have Allen come off the bench, O Neale start at PF and have Murray guard SFs. A 3 guard lineup but they all have decent height.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#92 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:34 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Combining rumors, if the guy the jazz want is available at 22 I could see something like this go down:

Suns in:
#29 (Kolek)
#32 (BPA)
Kessler

Suns out:
#22
'31 pick (top 4 protected)
Little.


I saw this one and reminds me a bit of your trade.

Read on Twitter


I'd love for that trade to happen, but it's too lobsided in favor of the Suns. We're basically swapping Nurkic for Smart straight up which is highway robbery IMO.

Also, no way the Jazz do this without our '31. We'd basically be swapping Little for Kessler as the picks cancel each other out.


I just think giving up the 2031 pick for Walker Effing Kessler is stupid
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#93 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:36 am

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The first Cavs one would be a no brainer for us. Cavs would never in a million years do it. I'd probably do either Pelicans one and think hard about the Knicks one. I also like the Hawks one for Capela and Murray. They are both defensive guys who would counter Booker/Beal/Allen, etc's strengths well. I'd probably have Allen come off the bench, O Neale start at PF and have Murray guard SFs. A 3 guard lineup but they all have decent height.


None will happen but the Suns should listen if teams call
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#94 » by SlovenianDragon » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:47 am

Im still really down on this team....still feel we need to trade KD... This team works better with Booker as THE GUY...

I think

Dragic
Booker
Mikal
Frye
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Smokes current suns in a 7 game series...
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Post#95 » by Qwigglez » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:00 am

SlovenianDragon wrote:Im still really down on this team....still feel we need to trade KD... This team works better with Booker as THE GUY...

I think

Dragic
Booker
Mikal
Frye
Gortat

Smokes current suns in a 7 game series...


I really think Frank Vogel was simply not the right coach for the team. With the amount of snipers the team had, Suns should have been at the very least a top 10 team in 3-point attempts. The team was bottom 7 in the league in attempts, yet they were a top 5 team in 3P%. Grayson Allen should be getting the Duncan Robinson treatment where he is launching a minimum 8 3's a game.
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Post#97 » by garrick » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:09 am

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They should have done the reported Houston trade for Green and multiple picks when they had the chance.

With this move is NY moving on from OG? :o
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Post#98 » by Qwigglez » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:10 am

Love it for Bridges. Glad he gets to finally play with his boys again.
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Post#99 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:13 am

Qwigglez wrote:Love it for Bridges. Glad he gets to finally play with his boys again.



Happy for Mikal

The twins are split up
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#100 » by garrick » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:23 am

Qwigglez wrote:Love it for Bridges. Glad he gets to finally play with his boys again.


So the Nets turned KD into 8 first round draft picks and 6 second round draft picks with a bunch of pick swaps?

Sounds like a win to me.

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