Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[youngcrev]

I wouldn't be that excited about paying OG as the 3rd guy due to the lack of on ball creation, and I would be that excited about DeRozan due to the defensive and spot up shooting issues.... But if you could somehow get both

[stormi]

Demar is 35 years old in 40 days and has been someone his entire career who's had his team generally play better without him on the floor than with, and significantly better without come April.

It isn't even difficult arithmetic why. He plays bad basketball from a mathematical standpoint. He's a ball stopper and is a free basket on the other end.

Guys like Dejounte Murray and Demar Derozan get overlooked by winning organizations. They're flash and no substance.

I was able to (cope with /) rationalize a lot of the bad moves we've made in the past ~5 years but a Demar retirement contract would be the final nail in the coffin of Embiid ever winning anything here.

[youngcrev]

Neubek and Bodner think Ingram is the most likely 3rd guy right now.

Meh. Ingram+KCP could be interesting at least.

[Negrodamus]

I wish that could happen, but it's just another unrealistic ask.

There is no budget, perfect 3rd star who wants to come here to make Tyrese Maxey, Joel Embiid, and Daryl Morey live happily ever after.

Just pointing out that acquiring Ingram is not the same as acquiring DeRozan. Long term, and possibly short term, DeRozan is the better value.

Derozan has a career 50.2% TS in the playoffs and a depressing 48.1% TS in his most recent series.

Does value really matter when you know this will be the outcome with him?

I wonder if Ingram looks at DeRozan as the Ghost of Playoff Future. And I also like that we're considering playoff series (including one where DeRozan actually made it to the conference finals as the alpha guy) from a decade ago. DeRozan hasn't been the 2nd or 3rd option pretty much his entire career. I'd be interested to see how that TS would look when he's not getting the other team's best defenders.

Here's the sick part though, I like Ingram, but he's not worth what he's about to be paid. And he's certainly not worth the amount of picks it'll take to get him.

[ProcessDoctor]

Just pointing out that acquiring Ingram is not the same as acquiring DeRozan. Long term, and possibly short term, DeRozan is the better value.

Derozan has a career 50.2% TS in the playoffs and a depressing 48.1% TS in his most recent series.

Does value really matter when you know this will be the outcome with him?

I wonder if Ingram looks at DeRozan as the Ghost of Playoff Future. And I also like that we're considering playoff series (including one where DeRozan actually made it to the conference finals as the alpha guy) from a decade ago. DeRozan hasn't been the 2nd or 3rd option pretty much his entire career. I'd be interested to see how that TS would look when he's not getting the other team's best defenders.

Here's the sick part though, I like Ingram, but he's not worth what he's about to be paid. And he's certainly not worth the amount of picks it'll take to get him.

I think we just have to agree to disagree. There's no way I'll ever be able to be talked into Derozan as a palatable option given his consistently bad track record, and you're not as high on Ingram. It's cool.

[MikRay]

Neubek and Bodner think Ingram is the most likely 3rd guy right now.

Meh. Ingram+KCP could be interesting at least.

If that’s all he gets after having all that cap space it’s been an epic failure by Morey. They, again, will be first round exit squad. He hast to find a way to get a legitimate superstar here.

[MikRay]

Nets are trying to trade into the draft give them our first and fillers for Bridges

[ProcessDoctor]

Neubek and Bodner think Ingram is the most likely 3rd guy right now.

Meh. Ingram+KCP could be interesting at least.

If that’s all he gets after having all that cap space it’s been an epic failure by Morey. They, again, will be first round exit squad. He hast to find a way to get a legitimate superstar here.

He already supposedly has two legitimate superstars here. If they can't win with Ingram, another 4-5 good rotation players, and Nick Nurse then can we really blame Morey?

[MikRay]

Neubek and Bodner think Ingram is the most likely 3rd guy right now.

Meh. Ingram+KCP could be interesting at least.

If that’s all he gets after having all that cap space it’s been an epic failure by Morey. They, again, will be first round exit squad. He hast to find a way to get a legitimate superstar here.

He already supposedly has two legitimate superstars here. If they can't win with Ingram, another 4-5 good rotation players, and Nick Nurse then can we really blame Morey?

Maxey is a star not a superstar imo. Joel has NEVER been 100% for any playoffs lately. Not his fault but a fact.

[Negrodamus]

After looking at the Pelican's reddit board, it seems like there's Hawks interest in Ingram. They have way more than what we can offer, including Trae Young:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NOLAPelicans/comments/1dolsxz/pelicans_one_of_trae_youngs_preferred_trade/

[ProcessDoctor]

If that’s all he gets after having all that cap space it’s been an epic failure by Morey. They, again, will be first round exit squad. He hast to find a way to get a legitimate superstar here.

He already supposedly has two legitimate superstars here. If they can't win with Ingram, another 4-5 good rotation players, and Nick Nurse then can we really blame Morey?

Maxey is a star not a superstar imo. Joel has NEVER been 100% for the any playoffs lately. Not his fault but a fact.

Daryl Morey: "Hey, Paul George or LeBron James, I'll give you $50 million per year to just walk in and play here. I'll still have five 1sts to round out our team."

Paul George and LeBron James:

[Mik317]

welcome back bum

[Black Mage]

never being able to make trades because we lack any real young talent every single deadline and then continuing to just throw picks away is nuts lol

It's been our recipe since Billy King and Larry Brown. The only guy who didn't do that was Hinkie. God I miss Sam.

[ProcessDoctor]

After looking at the Pelican's reddit board, it seems like there's Hawks interest in Ingram. They have way more than what we can offer, including Trae Young:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NOLAPelicans/comments/1dolsxz/pelicans_one_of_trae_youngs_preferred_trade/

If you read all the reports, it's that New Orleans has interest in Murray and Trae has interest in New Orleans.

No reports say Atlanta is interested in Ingram. Atlanta is looking to duck the tax, not enter the 2nd apron with a play-in team.

[stormi]

Ingram at least has talking points that you could use to extrapolate a reason why he'd be a great fit and a winning player alongside Embiid and Maxey. He's significantly better off the ball both in terms of his ability to space and create offense on the move.

He could lead lineups without Embiid on the floor keep the team ticking with his ability to run the offense as a playmaker and scorer.

He's 6'8 with a +++ wingspan and has the ability to be a defensive presence. Players shoot 34.8% against Ingram in ISO. Ingram is was also 70th percentile for defensive EPM last season (Demar Derozan was 50th percentile).

He's 26!

In terms of his blend of impact, scoring, passing, age and size - Ingram is the easiest candidate available that has the likelihood of establishing himself as a bargain a year or two down the line.

As per EPM last season, Ingram was sandwiched directly between Bam Adebayo and Pascal Siakam. Demar was between Mark Williams and Goga Bitadze.

Shouldn't be a debate.

[ProcessDoctor]

Ingram at least has talking points that you could use to extrapolate a reason why he'd be a great fit and a winning player alongside Embiid and Maxey. He's significantly better off the ball both in terms of his ability to space and create offense on the move.

He could lead lineups without Embiid on the floor keep the team ticking with his ability to run the offense as a playmaker and scorer.

He's 6'8 with a +++ wingspan and has the ability to be a defensive presence. Players shoot 34.8% against Ingram in ISO. Ingram is was also 70th percentile for defensive EPM last season (Demar Derozan was 50th percentile).

He's 26!

In terms of his blend of impact, scoring, passing, age and size - Ingram is the easiest candidate available that has the likelihood of establishing himself as a bargain a year or two down the line.

As per EPM last season, Ingram was sandwiched directly between Bam Adebayo and Pascal Siakam. Demar was between Mark Williams and Goga Bitadze.

Shouldn't be a debate.

And the "MVP-caliber" player in New Orleans is sitting just above Bam (a mere 0.1 higher than Ingram).

[Mik317]

i mean one is a FA and the other you have to trade for and if Garland or Young hit the market that beats out offer easy.

[HotelVitale]

Demar is 35 years old in 40 days and has been someone his entire career who's had his team generally play better without him on the floor than with, and significantly better without come April.

It isn't even difficult arithmetic why. He plays bad basketball from a mathematical standpoint. He's a ball stopper and is a free basket on the other end.

Guys like Dejounte Murray and Demar Derozan get overlooked by winning organizations. They're flash and no substance.

I was able to (cope with /) rationalize a lot of the bad moves we've made in the past ~5 years but a Demar retirement contract would be the final nail in the coffin of Embiid ever winning anything here.

Not advocating for that (things would probably have to be pretty bad if we ended up with DDR), but I think the counterargument is that he's good at one thing the Sixers aren't good at, and he's a quicker, cheaper, and more direct fix for that than most options. The guy can legit get buckets against any defense, doesn't need any particular scheme or personnel to do it.

Is he elite at it? Nope, he's not a real star. But he's better at it than just about anyone else who'd be available in-season.

(Also Derozan's not really 'flashy,' he mostly just shoots contested 17 footers.)

[HotelVitale]

Nets are trying to trade into the draft give them our first and fillers for Bridges

Welcome to the boards, but you got some catching up to do if you think the Nets' price for Bridges is a mid-1st in a bad draft.

[MikRay]

Nets are trying to trade into the draft give them our first and fillers for Bridges

Welcome to the boards, but you got some catching up to do if you think the Nets' price for Bridges is a mid-1st in a bad draft.

I understand it would take a lot more than that