OG - is he worth the money he’ll demand?

[Jalen Bluntson]

4/120 is where I'm at. Dude misses too many games to think he deserves a max. That's an 11mil per raise from what he was making.

That's a comical offer.

Did you see how much Scottie Barnes just got? And OG is better than Barnes.

IDGAF. Dude plays 50 games a season. That's what's ridiculous. If he lets other teams run up the price he can go. I can accept the 35-38mil price but, he needs to play more than 60% of his games.

[Moose]

You're going all in now. You need to re-sign OG or this is a lost cause.

I'm not sure if iHart can pass up the 25+ mill teams are going to offer him, but if we can bring him back too, this team is stacked.

[HopelessKnick]

You're going all in now. You need to re-sign OG or this is a lost cause.

I'm not sure if iHart can pass up the 25+ mill teams are going to offer him, but if we can bring him back too, this team is stacked.

If teams offer him 25mill. then they are complete fools. It'd be a significant overpay for someone with chronic Achilles issues.

[Moose]

You're going all in now. You need to re-sign OG or this is a lost cause.

I'm not sure if iHart can pass up the 25+ mill teams are going to offer him, but if we can bring him back too, this team is stacked.

If teams offer him 25mill. then they are complete fools. It'd be a significant overpay for someone with chronic Achilles issues.

If you are OKC, you aren't going to let 5 mill stand in the way of you and what you believe is the final or key piece to a championship.

If that's what they in fact believe.

iHart is valued as a 20 mill player easily, I'd say. He has multiple suitors. I can see 25 mill happening. Maybe someone gets real wild and offers 27-28 mill.

We'll see what happens. Hopefully the Knicks can bring back OG and iHart.

[douggood]

so by all indications the knicks are hard capped now, have $45 mil for og/ihart and to fill out rest of roster.

[Moose]

so by all indications the knicks are hard capped now, have $45 mil for og/ihart and to fill out rest of roster.

It looks like we will have either iHart or Mitch, but not both.

We'll see.

[HopelessKnick]

You're going all in now. You need to re-sign OG or this is a lost cause.

I'm not sure if iHart can pass up the 25+ mill teams are going to offer him, but if we can bring him back too, this team is stacked.

If teams offer him 25mill. then they are complete fools. It'd be a significant overpay for someone with chronic Achilles issues.

If you are OKC, you aren't going to let 5 mill stand in the way of you and what you believe is the final or key piece to a championship.

If that's what they in fact believe.

iHart is valued as a 20 mill player easily, I'd say. He has multiple suitors. I can see 25 mill happening. Maybe someone gets real wild and offers 27-28 mill.

We'll see what happens. Hopefully the Knicks can bring back OG and iHart.

Obviously we are both speculating, but I would be highly surprised if teams offer 25+ mill. and I disagree with him being worth 20mill. easily. I think fair value for Isaiah is the 16-18mill. range. I recently made a list of Centers in that range and Ihart really does not stand out in comparison to them. On top of that he has chronic Achilles issues---if you want to keep him healthy you have to keep him around 25minutes per game. That alone IMO significantly reduces the incentive to pay him big money. If some of those teams is planning a 4year/90-100mill. offer and planning to play him 30+ minutes they will likely fall flat on their nose. Look at these Centers that are on Hartenstein's level:

Zubac (10mill. per year)
Valanciunas (15mill. per year)
Nurkic (17mill. per year)
Portis (12mill. per year)
Gafford (12mill. per year)
Allen (20mill. per year)
Naz Reid (13mill. per year)
Poeltl (19mill. per year)
Capela (21mill. per year)
Myles Turner (20mill. per year)

Those that are truly on Hartenstein's level are in the 10-18mill. range. Those making around 20mill. are, at least IMO, better Centers (although maybe not by much). I would for example take Allen, Turner and Capela over Hartenstein. I'm at peace with the IHart situation. 18mill. a year is a fair offer for what he brings and given his chronic Achilles issues. The new CBA punishes you for overpaying players---I don't think IHart would leave us if some team offered slightly more (4years/80mill.)...if some team goes insane then we'll live with that.

[HopelessKnick]

OKC and Orlando are really the only 2 teams where it would make sense for them to overpay to a certain degree. However, OKC typically does not operate in that way and I've read already that OKC will be looking at some cheaper options first.

Orlando could be a real threat I concede. Hartenstein has the german connection there and between Hartenstein and Carter they would have a really nice Center combination in terms of skills and what they provide. The other teams with cap space I'm fairly positive won't make much of a play.

[LookToShoot]

OG's not sticking around to be 5th fiddle to the Villanova Bros. He wants to get paid and have a big role.

[seren]

OG's not sticking around to be 5th fiddle to the Villanova Bros. He wants to get paid and have a big role.

Agreed. I don’t see OG sticking around if another team gets him what he wants. To me the question is are we a better team next year with Bridges minus OG. I think not sufficient enough to make that deal we just did

[Stannis]

Give him whatever. This is the Knicks window.

Are there some CBA rules that will prevent this from happening or is it just a matter of saving Dolan money?

[Stannis]

Yeah, I think the least talked aspect about this is that OG wants a bigger role on offense. He's not going to resign to just do the dirty work for the Nova Boys + Randle.

If there's another team that can match what the Knicks offer, we can kiss him goodbye.

[Stannis]

OG's not sticking around to be 5th fiddle to the Villanova Bros. He wants to get paid and have a big role.

Not just the Nova bros. But Randle too. That's why I hate that Randle is still on this team. It hurts our chances of retaining OG.

[GONYK]

Yeah, I think the least talked aspect about this is that OG wants a bigger role on offense. He's not going to resign to just do the dirty work for the Nova Boys + Randle.

If there's another team that can match what the Knicks offer, we can kiss him goodbye.

There isn't

[Riot Randolph]

i swear some of you guys watch too much WWE with these contrived storylines

[Stannis]

Yeah, I think the least talked aspect about this is that OG wants a bigger role on offense. He's not going to resign to just do the dirty work for the Nova Boys + Randle.

If there's another team that can match what the Knicks offer, we can kiss him goodbye.

There isn't

This is assuming we offer him the max. But what if the Knicks penny pinch. Can another team match?

[GONYK]

Yeah, I think the least talked aspect about this is that OG wants a bigger role on offense. He's not going to resign to just do the dirty work for the Nova Boys + Randle.

If there's another team that can match what the Knicks offer, we can kiss him goodbye.

There isn't

This is assuming we offer him the max. But what if the Knicks penny pinch. Can another team match?

I don't think the Knicks will offer him less than what another team can, so they won't penny pinch to the degree that he's not getting the most money from us.

We don't have to offer him the full MAX to outpace the rest of the market.

[Stannis]

I don't think the Knicks will offer him less than what another team can, so they won't penny pinch to the degree that he's not getting the most money from us.

We don't have to offer him the full MAX to outpace the rest of the market.

Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. If the Knicks only match another team or just a couple million more, I can see him walking away for the bigger role.

Anyways, IMHO, just give him the max.

[spree8]

I don't think the Knicks will offer him less than what another team can, so they won't penny pinch to the degree that he's not getting the most money from us.

We don't have to offer him the full MAX to outpace the rest of the market.

Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. If the Knicks only match another team or just a couple million more, I can see him walking away for the bigger role.

Anyways, IMHO, just give him the max.

How much bigger a role does he want? The dude had the #2 spot in the playoffs and did what with it? I’ve seen youth leaguers with better better ability to put the ball on the floor and create shots for themselves. Dudes gotta have some self awareness

[R-DAWG]

No, but you will always be able to move the contract because there are too few guys who can do what he does.