2024 NBA Draft Thread, part 2 – (June 26 & 27)

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Going to require a trade up...

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[Fierce1]

Going to require a trade up...

Read on Twitter

Not really.

Filipowski might fall out of the 1st rnd.

That's where Brad can call Ainge for the #32 pick.

Filipowski is a fit for the Cs, but other teams will want a more traditional big man who can score inside, get rebounds, and block shots.

I think the Cs can get him in the 2nd round.

[jonige94]

99% we trade out of the 1st round of cap reasons, not even gonna watch the draft.

[Fierce1]

99% we trade out of the 1st round of cap reasons, not even gonna watch the draft.

That's very realistic.

I'm hoping for a compromise and just trade down and not trade out.

[165bows]

Taking Brad's comments to a logical conclusion, there may be more valuable prospects that are much older than in years prior. Ie, he said the back end (ie, 45-60) of the draft could be weaker now since guys stay in school for the NIL money. Well those players need to come out eventually, esp. as the additional year dries up for the newer guys.

So the quality of older players may be better than it was in the past is the result of what he is saying imo.

Worth looking at the drafts of the 80s and mid-90s where there were a lot of older guys, and the best players coming into the league were 23. A lot of those guys came in and played very well right away, even though they were older.

Not as extreme now with the best players leaving early but there may be some really solid older guys.

[Hal14]

We are getting Baylor Scheierman.. At least that's what my gut is telling me... We are not trading up or down either...

If that happens, this will be him and Hauser at training camp:

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Going to require a trade up...

Read on Twitter

Not really.

Filipowski might fall out of the 1st rnd.

That's where Brad can call Ainge for the #32 pick.

Filipowski is a fit for the Cs, but other teams will want a more traditional big man who can score inside, get rebounds, and block shots.

I think the Cs can get him in the 2nd round.

There's a better chance of the sky raining spaghetti and meatballs (and I am an Anomalist, so all sorts of weird
things have a historical background of falling out of the sky) than Flipper dropping out of the First Round or
being available at 30.

[phincsfan]

There were posts about trading Pritchard to move up and then there were the follow up posts with opinions mainly saying why break up the team? If you trust Stevens decisions to this point and he makes a move by trading Pritchard plus a pick to move up to get a player who they targeted in the 20's or teens then that means the scouting department felt that player was going to be a better fit going forward.

And Pritchard is really the C's only trade asset at this point so he's the sacrificial lamb for draft day trades.

[Fierce1]

There were posts about trading Pritchard to move up and then there were the follow up posts with opinions mainly saying why break up the team? If you trust Stevens decisions to this point and he makes a move by trading Pritchard plus a pick to move up to get a player who they targeted in the 20's or teens then that means the scouting department felt that player was going to be a better fit going forward.

And Pritchard is really the C's only trade asset at this point so he's the sacrificial lamb for draft day trades.

Not happening.

PP's not getting traded.

[165bows]

We are getting Baylor Scheierman.. At least that's what my gut is telling me... We are not trading up or down either...

If that happens, this will be him and Hauser at training camp:

Idk I feel like that's underselling Scheierman's versatility a bit.

Eg Scheierman 24% career Dreb%, 20% Ast%, Sam was 19.2%/13% respectively.

I think Scheierman is a much more creative ball handler and passer, prob stronger, while not being quite the shooter Hauser is.

[Hal14]

Starting to wonder if Dillon Jones is Brad's guy. He doesn't get mentioned much here but seems like a player that could plug in and get minutes.

I think he doesn't get mentioned much on here (and this is why I have him ranked a little bit lower on my personal board at 60) is because:

-Suspect shooter
-Suspect defense
-Decent but not great size for a wing (but does have a 6'11" wingspan..and 233 lbs so a body that's kind of like Grant Williams and Lamar Stevens so you wonder about how quick he is to play out on the perimeter..)
-Put up some impressive counting stats in college but was a senior playing in a weak mid major conference

A couple folks on Twitter are really high on him though and have him ranked top 15. I think they just buy his ability to create advantages and create shots for himself and for others..they think he can be a really dynamic offensive player who can really get to his spots, pressure the rim, get downhill, has good strength, and can really be a factor on the offensive end (especially if the shooting can improve) while holding his own on D.

I don't know if I see it..but it also wouldn't shock me if he ends up being a really solid role player in the league.

[Hal14]

We are getting Baylor Scheierman.. At least that's what my gut is telling me... We are not trading up or down either...

If that happens, this will be him and Hauser at training camp:

Idk I feel like that's underselling Scheierman's versatility a bit.

Eg Scheierman 24% career Dreb%, 20% Ast%, Sam was 19.2%/13% respectively.

I think Scheierman is a much more creative ball handler and passer, prob stronger, while not being quite the shooter Hauser is.

So what are you gonna do, give Hauser's minutes to Scheierman, even while Hauser is still on the team and just played a big role in helping you win the championship?

I'm not sure they can share the floor together - maybe, I could be wrong.

Bottom line, Hauser has issues on defense sometimes. And Scheierman is worse defensively than Hauser.

Both of them are lacking in strength, quickness, athleticism and defense (although Hauser of course has developed into a solid defender but still does have issues on that end at times). They are both also very limited in terms of creating their own shot and getting to the rim (Scheierman had an extremely low FTr over the past couple yrs at Creighton).

Plus our bench unit has Pritchard (lacking in size, athleticism and has issues on D sometimes), Kornet (lacking in athleticism, quickness, strength) and Horford (lacking in athleticism)..all of them are limited in terms of creating their own shot/collapsing a defense.

Scheirman is a very good prospect. He's 21 on my big board. But I don't love the fit here in Boston, due to the other personel we have coming off our bench. Think there's some redundancy..and too many guys who are limited in terms of quickness/athleticism/defense/strength/shot creation..

Then again, maybe they just use him as another weapon off the bench for a wing shooter..for added depth..and then in a year or 2 if Hauser is gone, then you slide Scheierman into the spot - if that happens, Scheierman could *really* thrive..and then you've got a a guy on a cheap rookie contract possibly giving you comparable production to Hauser..who at that point, might be making like $15 mil a year. And then Brad is looking like a genius if he's got Scheierman over here hitting shots, making slick passes and only making like $3 mil a year.

[CelticsPride18]

Baylor Scheierman defense doesn’t look as fixable as Hauser’s. Very slow footed.

[165bows]

If that happens, this will be him and Hauser at training camp:

Idk I feel like that's underselling Scheierman's versatility a bit.

Eg Scheierman 24% career Dreb%, 20% Ast%, Sam was 19.2%/13% respectively.

I think Scheierman is a much more creative ball handler and passer, prob stronger, while not being quite the shooter Hauser is.

So what are you gonna do, give Hauser's minutes to Scheierman, even while Hauser is still on the team and just played a big role in helping you win the championship?

I'm not sure they can share the floor together - maybe, I could be wrong.

Bottom line, Hauser has issues on defense sometimes. And Scheierman is worse defensively than Hauser.

Both of them are lacking in strength, quickness, athleticism and defense (although Hauser of course has developed into a solid defender but still does have issues on that end at times). They are both also very limited in terms of creating their own shot and getting to the rim (Scheierman had an extremely low FTr over the past couple yrs at Creighton).

Plus our bench unit has Pritchard (lacking in size, athleticism and has issues on D sometimes), Kornet (lacking in athleticism, quickness, strength) and Horford (lacking in athleticism)..all of them are limited in terms of creating their own shot/collapsing a defense.

Scheirman is a very good prospect. He's 21 on my big board. But I don't love the fit here in Boston, due to the other personel we have coming off our bench. Think there's some redundancy..and too many guys who are limited in terms of quickness/athleticism/defense/strength/shot creation..

Then again, maybe they just use him as another weapon off the bench for a wing shooter..for added depth..and then in a year or 2 if Hauser is gone, then you slide Scheierman into the spot - if that happens, Scheierman could *really* thrive..and then you've got a a guy on a cheap rookie contract possibly giving you comparable production to Hauser..who at that point, might be making like $15 mil a year. And then Brad is looking like a genius if he's got Scheierman over here hitting shots, making slick passes and only making like $3 mil a year.

I think he's a good player and a good fit here, my point is I think you are just conflating them a bit. Scheierman imo is much stronger than Hauser, and strength is not an issue there.

Maybe his speed/mobility on defense, but I don't think strength is the problem. Whereas Hauser is taller but I don't think in the same category strength/physicality-wise as Scheierman. See eg the rebounding numbers above, Scheierman crushed Hauser's college Dreb% while being a shorter, more perimeter oriented guy.

[Hal14]

Ideal scenario at pick 30 if if Ware or Flip somehow falls that far, since I think most of us agree that the biggest area of need for this team is another big. And I think most of us agree that both Flip and Ware are very good prospects who could be a *steal* at 30. Many people (including myself) have them ranked as top 15 prospects in this class.

I currently have them ranked at 12 (Flip) and 13 (Ware).

If they're both still there, I would go Flip. Because he has the versatility of being able to play the 4 or the 5..and I think he can fit in better on a team has a supporting piece (whereas Ware thrived this season in Indiana as THE guy on that team who was getting the ball in the post *a lot*..in more of a supporting role as a freshman at Oregon, he was not as good.

I can envision Flip doing pretty well as a connective piece.

Don't want to get my hopes up too much. Since they're both probably gone at 30.

Encouraging to sear the Celtics being linked to Tyson..does anyone with a ESPN subscription want to share what exactly they said in the article about that? He's actually 14th on my board, right after Flip and Ware..

[Hal14]

Idk I feel like that's underselling Scheierman's versatility a bit.

Eg Scheierman 24% career Dreb%, 20% Ast%, Sam was 19.2%/13% respectively.

I think Scheierman is a much more creative ball handler and passer, prob stronger, while not being quite the shooter Hauser is.

So what are you gonna do, give Hauser's minutes to Scheierman, even while Hauser is still on the team and just played a big role in helping you win the championship?

I'm not sure they can share the floor together - maybe, I could be wrong.

Bottom line, Hauser has issues on defense sometimes. And Scheierman is worse defensively than Hauser.

Both of them are lacking in strength, quickness, athleticism and defense (although Hauser of course has developed into a solid defender but still does have issues on that end at times). They are both also very limited in terms of creating their own shot and getting to the rim (Scheierman had an extremely low FTr over the past couple yrs at Creighton).

Plus our bench unit has Pritchard (lacking in size, athleticism and has issues on D sometimes), Kornet (lacking in athleticism, quickness, strength) and Horford (lacking in athleticism)..all of them are limited in terms of creating their own shot/collapsing a defense.

Scheirman is a very good prospect. He's 21 on my big board. But I don't love the fit here in Boston, due to the other personel we have coming off our bench. Think there's some redundancy..and too many guys who are limited in terms of quickness/athleticism/defense/strength/shot creation..

Then again, maybe they just use him as another weapon off the bench for a wing shooter..for added depth..and then in a year or 2 if Hauser is gone, then you slide Scheierman into the spot - if that happens, Scheierman could *really* thrive..and then you've got a a guy on a cheap rookie contract possibly giving you comparable production to Hauser..who at that point, might be making like $15 mil a year. And then Brad is looking like a genius if he's got Scheierman over here hitting shots, making slick passes and only making like $3 mil a year.

I think he's a good player and a good fit here, my point is I think you are just conflating them a bit. Scheierman imo is much stronger than Hauser, and strength is not an issue there.

Maybe his speed/mobility on defense, but I don't think strength is the problem. Whereas Hauser is taller but I don't think in the same category strength/physicality-wise as Scheierman. See eg the rebounding numbers above, Scheierman crushed Hauser's college Dreb% while being a shorter, more perimeter oriented guy.

My concerns with the Scheierman/Hauser redundancy is less about strength or rebounding.. and more about the lack of quickness, athleticism and to a lesser extent limited shot creation off the dribble. As well as how we have multiple other guys in our rotation coming off the bench who are also limited in those areas..

In the Pacers series, Hauser was having trouble keeping up with how fast the pace was, for example.

It just might a little awkward in training camp - Hauser might think they drafted Scheierman to be the "Hauser replacement" when Hauser is still on the team and just helped them win a title. They would both be essentially looking to fill the same role, of unathletic 6'7/6'8" wing shooter off the bench..teams typically don't have more than 1 of those guys in their bench rotation..

[Hal14]

This is my big board, 12 - 28.

There's about a 98% chance that at least 1 of these guys is stil there at pick 30..

[zoyathedestroya]

Keep Brad’s streak going. Trade out of the 1st round. Maybe get a potential top 5 pick in 2025.

[playa-hater]

Hauser an Scheierman can definitely play together. Ball movement and spacing will be at an optimum. Also they said Hauser had slow feet his rookie year. Anticipation makes up for a lot.

PS Scheierman is Not my top choice.. It's one of the Bigs.. But still would like Baylor Sch.

[hugepatsfan]

I am not that knowledgeable about the draft, but my uneducated prediction is that they stay put at #30 and take... Minnesota G Cam Christie.

It's not the biggest "need" but I feel good about his projection here...

He's got the shooting thing down - a necessity for Mazzulla ball.

Good size for a guard to where he should be able to avoid being a huge liability if he works on his fundamentals and gives efforts, both of which he seems to have flashed. He'll also have to get stronger.

Doesn't seem like a pure point guard but seems like someone who can do enough of it to play next with forwards that have lots of ball handling/playmaking responsibilities like Tatum/Brown do. Kind of like how neither White nor Holiday are true "pass first" or ball handling PGs but they keep the ball moving and handle as needed.

Playing time won't be very plentiful to start, but he can can spend time in the G League getting stronger and working on his defensive game. Right now we're stocked at guard with Holiday/White starting and Pritchard off the bench. But Pritchard's size still can render him unplayable against certain iso matchups. Christie's size might make him a viable option in that sense. And there's always the possibility that one of the guards is dealt as a salary matching piece as a replacement for Porzingis or Horford down the line.

Interesting.

Just this afternoon you seemed adamant that the right move was to draft a big.

What made you flip?

Is it because you're saying that shooting is a necessity for Mazzulla ball, but you're now thinking that the bigs who are likely to be available at 30 aren't great shooters?

As for Cam Christie, a couple of notes:

-FWIW, I consider him more of a wing than a guard. Not a very good POA defender, doesn't really handle the ball or have the type of quickness you'd want in a guard. He's a combination 2/3 type of guy..definitely not a guy who would play the 1. From a positional standpoint (and his size..and his game is somewhat familiar to him) he's kind of like Aaron Nesmith.

There actually was an interesting article I came across a few months ago about these guys who are about 6'4 - 6'6", but don't play PG..they called them "not quite wings" because often the wings who are 6'7-6'10" have a better shot at sticking in the league:
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/examining-the-small-guard-crunch

-I see Christie as more of a mid to late 2nd round guy..think he'd be a reach at 30. Mainly because while he's young..and can shoot and has decent size, he doesn't really offer enough other stuff. I just think at pick 30 I'd be looking for something more. It's nice if you can shoot but I'd be looking for more other stuff - whether it's rebounding, defense, size, athleticism, playmaking, ball handling, rim pressure, etc.

Christie's defense is not very good. He is very limited in terms of ball handling, being able to create his own shot.. can make like 1 or 2 dribbles and rise up into a pull up jumper around the elbows or from 3..that's about it, very limited "bag", cannot pressure the rim or finish at the rim. He shot 47% at the rim this season, which is absolutely horrible..6 dunks which is a very low number for a 6'6" wing (it's partly because he is not really an NBA-level athlete, imo). Doesn't really rebound or offer much playmaking.

Plus he's really skinny.

Between needing to get stronger and the fact that he's only 18..and needs work on defense. I doubt he will be ready to contribute anything in year 1. Not to mention if defenders play up on him to take away his 3 pt shot, he is very limited with what he can do off the dribble to combat that..

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply yesterday that we have to or should force a big man at #30 (or wherever we pick). It's the biggest long term positional need for sure, but have to play the draft board. I'd love if there's a good big man on the board who's a scheme fit just waiting for us to pick him, but maybe not realistic.

Personally, I have a hrd time with big men. The demands of the position are so diverse in the modern NBA that any prospect I end up fixating on their flaws and talk myself out of them. There are so many big men who play good regular season minutes then get totally schemed out of a playoff rotation for one weakness. I just struggle to ever feel good about projecting any late 1st round caliber big man at the NBA level. It's not them, it's me haha

On Cam Christie, I've read some reports that seem higher on his ball handling and defensive upside. But definitely possible he ends up more wing than guard. And I agree with you about small wings being not great if they can't hack it as big guards. So maybe I missed there.