Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[bdpecore]

Bev was a minimum... we looked better, faster and stronger when he started (pre injury) and KM was in a suit somewhere

From when we got Bev to 3/24 when he hurt his wrist we were -5.5 with him on the court.

STARTED ... the post said STARTED and you gave different stats... wonder why

Are you suggesting we trade away Middleton for lesser 3&D wings just so we can resign Pat Beverley to be our starting SG next season?

[bdpecore]

Mavericks are a team interested in Brook.

Bucks get: Josh Green
Mavericks get: Brook Lopez
Wizards get: Kleber, 2nd round picks via Dallas

I'd just cut out Washington as I think Kleber could be a solid back up big on a championship team, if he can stay healthy. I also wouldn't mind Horst adding some additional picks for a midseason trade.

[RogerMurdock]

Hey everyone, I will BET ANY OF YOU exactly sixteen and one-third dogecoin that the Bucks can't beat Boston in a playoff series with Giannis playing 35 minutes per game. Come at me or shut up.

Spoiler:

The rest of the starting lineup is Marjon, Livingston, the #33 pick, and Bobby, with Thanasis and AJG first off the bench.

[JayMKE]

Khris played ~half the games with a minutes restriction in the games he did play in the last 2 seasons, IDK if there is the right deal that makes the team better now/later but its not crazy to be concerned.

[German Athens]

I’m not a trade Midd’s guy at all, but I do wonder if that bridges trade set the market for wings.

I know trades tend to be more isolated, but I’m still curious. Like is Midds a 3 or 4 first guy now?

I’m still probably only trading Midds if it brings back PG - and I think that may be the only player we could acquire for him that would improve us on both sides of the ball.

Those other trades for mediocre 3 and/or D wings just does nothing for me. You still need multiple guys who can create, and the idea of Dame being the sole perimeter creator just seems like we’d be destined to run into the same issues we’ve had in the past where teams load up on Khris and Giannis and let the gabe Vincent’s of the world lock down everyone else.

[bdpecore]

Also, gambling on health is also ridiculous... we see how well that works by now. Cut bait.

Every team in the league is gambling on health. If Tatum was out, Brown was hobbled and Jimmy Butler was playing in the first round, you honestly think Boston would've won with Houser and Pritchard playing 35mpg? Boston used a 7-8 player rotation in the playoffs. The only reason Kornet and Tillman played any serious minutes is because Porzingis was banged up. If either Tatum or Brown was out they would've been forced to play guys like Brissett or Mykhailiuk.

Considering Pat Beverley averaged 34.9mpg in the Pacers series while Beasley and Gallinari averaged 31mpg and 16.5mpg respectively in two games Dame missed. I can see why we lost the series. It's impressive we were able to win 2 games and borderline amazing Middleton carried them to a win in game 5 without Giannis and Dame.

Um Tatum and Brown are alot younger than our guys and don't have the injury history.

Did 24 yr old Ja Morant have an injury history before going down last season? Also Brown will be 29 by the start of next season which isn't "alot" younger than Giannis. Freak injuries happen all of the time in sports. Grant Hill, Anfernee Hardaway and Derrick Rose were all considered superstars before getting seriously injured. None of them were ever the same player afterwards. Just to be clear, I'm not wishing any NBA player has a season ending injury but you're using absolute statements to defend your points which makes them flawed.

[LUKE23]

Yeah the passing ability Is a major overlooked thing about trading Midds. He’s not just a spot up shooter on offense. He’s a guy you can give the ball to for creation purposes, even if it often looks slow/ugly.

I still maintain that keeping the offensive trio together is the way to go. Trade Lopez.

[bdpecore]

Hey everyone, I will BET ANY OF YOU exactly sixteen and one-third dogecoin that the Bucks can't beat Boston in a playoff series with Giannis playing 35 minutes per game. Come at me or shut up.

Spoiler:

The rest of the starting lineup is Marjon, Livingston, the #33 pick, and Bobby, with Thanasis and AJG first off the bench.

Well yeah because this team won't peak until the 2025-26 season. At least we'll have a younger and more athletic rotation.

[fansinceforever]

We see this repeated ad nauseam, but the truth is last year was a disaster and its hard to analyze the teams ceiling. I know those 3 can win a title together, far less talented trios have. If you just look at the disaster that was last year I could see why you would think differently, but why do that in an honest argument? Its not honest

I don't understand. We're both stating opinions so why would yours be honest but you wouldn't consider mine to be?

No, I just think if you believe last season is the reason we can't win a chip you must be running with your own narrative. Last season was gross and it's really hard to gloss much of anything from it. That's my point, but you also know that way worse trios have won chips so i think you have a bit of bias, I don't think you even think your own opinion is true

If you want to get literal, you can make a great argument that the top 3 on this Bucks team is better than the last 4 championship winners, including our own in 21. If they stay healthy with a full year of steadiness with the coaching staff I don't see why they can't be the best. Please improve on the fringes and gamble on the health of the big 3, any downgrade means we are cooked.

As so many have said, no trade involving Khris makes us better. His value is hilariously inflated in these trade ideas on here, I think the value for Khris is good in some of these ideas but the direction is disgusting and you're ignoring all context, these trades will never come close to happening because most don't see the position the org is even in. Getting obssessed with marginal playoff players like Keon Ellis when you're dealing a star player is hilariously bad. The nice part is that we are win now and won't trade Khris because that's obvious, his value to us is drastically better than to a team on the fringe.

I honestly don't even know how to respond to this. You're completely writing last season off- that's fine, but I'm being disingenuous for having concern about the most recent information on the team we have? We all have bias. You clearly do.

I disagree with your assessment of the team and how we right the ship. That doesn't mean I'm being dishonest.

[bdpecore]

Khris played ~half the games with a minutes restriction in the games he did play in the last 2 seasons, IDK if there is the right deal that makes the team better now/later but its not crazy to be concerned.

I agree its a concern but there are also concerns Dame loses a step or Giannis continues to play ballz to the wall basketball and wears his body down sooner than later. even with Giannis, Dame and Khris all missing time in the regular season we finished 3rd in the East. I don't see us being outside the top 6 next season if Doc manages their PT.

[MKE_Beers]

MKE: Eason, Brooks, #3 (Clingan or Risacher)
HOU: Khris

I'm not a trade Midds guy, but if we did feel like we needed to do it something like this could work. It gets us out of the 2nd apron and opens us up to trade any combination of Brook, Bobby, Pat, Marjon, #23, #33, and our far out future 1st.

[ShootingtheJ]

Mavericks are a team interested in Brook.

Bucks get: Josh Green
Mavericks get: Brook Lopez
Wizards get: Kleber, 2nd round picks via Dallas

I'd just cut out Washington as I think Kleber could be a solid back up big on a championship team, if he can stay healthy. I also wouldn't mind Horst adding some additional picks for a midseason trade.

Kleber got cooked in the playoffs, and we could likely sign Daniel Thies for the minimum to do all the same things. Moving Kleber avoids all the apron issues, and could give us a chance to get to the tMLE.

[German Athens]

If we acquired #3, I’d probably want to trade down.

4 and 8 for 3 feels like an overpay, but maybe SAS would offer 4 and an unprotected pick next year.

Maybe 7 and 14?

[bdpecore]

Mavericks are a team interested in Brook.

Bucks get: Josh Green
Mavericks get: Brook Lopez
Wizards get: Kleber, 2nd round picks via Dallas

I'd just cut out Washington as I think Kleber could be a solid back up big on a championship team, if he can stay healthy. I also wouldn't mind Horst adding some additional picks for a midseason trade.

Kleber got cooked in the playoffs, and we could likely sign Daniel Thies for the minimum to do all the same things. Moving Kleber avoids all the apron issues, and could give us a chance to get to the tMLE.

Kleber wasn't 100% when he retruned in the playoffs but is considered a good defender and decent shooter. Also there's no guarantee Theis signs with Milwaukee this offseason unless I missed something.

[SirChurros]

MKE: Eason, Brooks, #3 (Clingan or Risacher)
HOU: Khris

I'm not a trade Midds guy, but if we did feel like we needed to do it something like this could work. It gets us out of the 2nd apron and opens us up to trade any combination of Brook, Bobby, Pat, Marjon, #23, #33, and our far out future 1st.

Do you think this move makes us better this season? Or what’s the follow up move?

I just don’t understand the logic for some of the proposed Midds trades. Almost none of them are moves that put us in a better position to win a title this year.

[-Jragon-]

Yeah the passing ability Is a major overlooked thing about trading Midds. He’s not just a spot up shooter on offense. He’s a guy you can give the ball to for creation purposes, even if it often looks slow/ugly.

I still maintain that keeping the offensive trio together is the way to go. Trade Lopez.

Khris has tunnel vision and it causes turnovers and puts Giannis jumping over guys in awkward positions. I would much rather him be a catch and shoot.

Yes? Once again a crazy premise

1. Having to go through Boston is the only way to win a ring right now.
2. You want KM to start and play 33+ min to beat them.
3. I don't believe that's possible
4. You do
5. Crazy premise to bet that? Ok fine $2

37 yr old Al Horford averaged 30.3mpg in the playoffs. Not sure why Khris wouldn't be able to play 33mpg when he averaged 38.3mpg in the Pacers series and was by far the Bucks best player in the series.

Underrated post. IF Km could bulk up and play the 4 next to Giannis I'm back IN. I think he's allergic to weights though.

That's not how addition by subtraction works. If he moved to the moon tomorrow and we could use 1/3 of his salary on 3 and D hustlers that cut and set screens we're better.

So you think Milwaukee and sign three younger 3&D players for less than $11MM? Can you please provide me with some examples of players you think will sign for $3/4MM per who can solid contributors in a championship caliber playoff rotation?

I didn't say three. Also it was just illustrating a point that I want a different brand of basketball.. lob city.. km is more like retirement village and has been limping for 8 years somehow.

From when we got Bev to 3/24 when he hurt his wrist we were -5.5 with him on the court.

STARTED ... the post said STARTED and you gave different stats... wonder why

Are you suggesting we trade away Middleton for lesser 3&D wings just so we can resign Pat Beverley to be our starting SG next season?

If we got 2 way players that are disruptive it's not a downgrade to me. I hope both can come in and start and I'd love to have Bev off the bench but that's unlikely

[Ron Swanson]

You'd have to be crazy to not harbor some concerns about Khris' durability at this point. I would argue though that the idea of turning him into a couple mediocre rotation guys just because they're gonna play 72-games vs. Khris' 50-ish, isn't reason enough to trade him for said mediocre rotation guys. Now, if teams like Houston and Orlando strike out on their #1 trade targets (KD, Paul George) and are willing to fork over a haul for Khris, then that becomes a lot more interesting.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah the passing ability Is a major overlooked thing about trading Midds. He’s not just a spot up shooter on offense. He’s a guy you can give the ball to for creation purposes, even if it often looks slow/ugly.

I still maintain that keeping the offensive trio together is the way to go. Trade Lopez.

Khris has tunnel vision and it causes turnovers and puts Giannis jumping over guys in awkward positions.

See, it's stuff like this that makes everyone on this board question if you've ever watched Khris Middleton play basketball. Funny that even after getting Dame, Khris is still probably our best lob-passer.

[buckboy]

I actually put my money where my mouth is in the ATL thread. Do you want to take the bet? It was $50 venmo that a healthy Bucks team with KM playing 33+ minutes will NEVER beat a healthy Celtics. Agree to the bet and we'll both screenshot this and loser pays. I think they didn't even care or try in the regular season vs us and in the playoffs would destroy us even without Malik Dame and KM is too easy to target each time down. You either 6th man KM or trade him. Money is up take it or dont

It's a terrible bet as has already been explained to you, you're lost af man

Lol... whatever ... you just SAID the big 3 can win a championship here with some tweaks (through Boston) so take the bet or stop @ing with your regular season stat "proof"..... scared af... come on, remember we beat them by 50 in the regular season so it's a sure bet right?

If you can't bet it then you know deep down inside that you're wrong.. is $50 too high? $30?

Back away from the keyboard dude.

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Narrator: He did NOT back away from the keyboard.

[MKE_Beers]

MKE: Eason, Brooks, #3 (Clingan or Risacher)
HOU: Khris

I'm not a trade Midds guy, but if we did feel like we needed to do it something like this could work. It gets us out of the 2nd apron and opens us up to trade any combination of Brook, Bobby, Pat, Marjon, #23, #33, and our far out future 1st.

Do you think this move makes us better this season? Or what’s the follow up move?

I just don’t understand the logic for some of the proposed Midds trades. Almost none of them are moves that put us in a better position to win a title this year.

"opens us up to trade any combination of Brook, Bobby, Pat, Marjon, #23, #33, and our far out future 1st" --- Do something with these as follow up moves.