An early summer 2024 thread

esqtvd · Post #441 » by **esqtvd** » Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:07 am

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Cannot stress enough how sad it is that Rob freaking Pelinka is less oblivious than anyone in charge of our team.

No idea what they're talking about. The Los Angeles Lakers are 380-501 since 2013-14. Plenty of youth, plenty of picks, then traded everything to win the Mickey Mouse Bubble Trophy. No AD, No Mouse.

First people say the regular season doesn't matter, only championships. Then they pay the price for a championship and now they are now back they started.

Whatever.

2023 1 17 Jalen Hood-Schifino Indiana
2023 2 47 Mojave King (↳IND)
2022 2 35 Max Christie Michigan State
2021 1 22 Isaiah Jackson (↳IND) Kentuck
2020 1 28 Jaden McDaniels (↳OKC ↳MIN)
2019 NBA 1 4 De'Andre Hunter (↳NOP ↳ATL) Virginia
2018 NBA 1 25 Moritz Wagner Michigan
2018 NBA 2 47 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk Kansas
2017 NBA 1 2 Lonzo Ball UCLA
2017 NBA 1 28 Tony Bradley (↳UTA) UNC
2016 NBA 1 2 Brandon Ingram Duke
2016 NBA 2 32 Ivica Zubac
2015 NBA 1 2 D'Angelo Russell Ohio State
2015 NBA 1 27 Larry Nance Wyoming
2015 NBA 2 34 Anthony Brown Stanford
2014 NBA 1 7 Julius Randle Kentucky

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Post #442 » by **og15** » Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:50 am

esqtvd wrote:How did Ballmer and the Dubs ever agree to this? Especially coming into force so soon with no time to prepare? Friggin' disaster.

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I'm pretty sure it doesn't have to be a unanimous decision, can easily get out voted.

Sofia · Post #443 » by **Sofia** » Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:17 pm

og15 wrote:
esqtvd wrote:How did Ballmer and the Dubs ever agree to this? Especially coming into force so soon with no time to prepare? Friggin' disaster.

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I'm pretty sure it doesn't have to be a unanimous decision, can easily get out voted.

From memory league changes are 23+ in agreement, or over 75% of owners

KL2 · Post #444 » by **KL2** » Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:48 pm

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Clemenza · Post #445 » by **Clemenza** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:15 am

PG to the Knicks is dead. OG on the move is crazy considering the players the Knicks sent out for him. And now four unprotected 1st round picks, one protected pick, and one 1st round pick swap. The "PG-OKC trade" being one of the worst of all times is now over with. They gave up a lot for a player who walked just after one year with them -not to mentioned he's injured half the time- and they just bargained all their future picks away for Mikal Bridges. Wow!!

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MartinToVaught · Post #446 » by **MartinToVaught** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:32 am

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PG to Houston?

Ballings7 · Post #447 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:48 am

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https://youtu.be/iyzazaKuns8?t=217

Interesting scenarios with the Warriors for PG.. starts at 3m35s.

Kuminga + Chris Paul + Payton II for PG13 == do that in a heartbeat, if possible.

Dray Green + Chris Paul for PG13 and Tucker == not too great overall, but clears out Tucker, and Draymond played solid after his suspension from what I gathered. In that respect, would be an upgrade at PF even being at the end of Green's prime, and give some legit reliable flex. going small up front.

Probably just smoke - but, Warriors are probably desperate and do need an upgrade overall from either Wiggins or Thompson on the wing, during Curry's ending high-level years.

Ballings7 · Post #448 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:52 am

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PG to Houston?

Yeah. I wouldn't even mind Dillon Brooks, a R1 pick, and one of their younger wings coming back for PG13 : )

Clemenza wrote:PG to the Knicks is dead. OG on the move is crazy considering the players the Knicks sent out for him. And now four unprotected 1st round picks, one protected pick, and one 1st round pick swap. The "PG-OKC trade" being one of the worst of all times is now over with. They gave up a lot for a player who walked just after one year with them -not to mentioned he's injured half the time- and they just bargained all their future picks away for Mikal Bridges. Wow!!

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Wow.. yeah sounds like OG is gone. That seems like a lot draft capital to give up. Not a bad replacement for OG, though.

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Ballings7 wrote:Not a fan of the Tobias Harris stuff, even if it brings in a draft pick.

Tobias isn't a mediocre player, but just not what the team needs in the starting line up.

And Terance Mann is? Let's get serious here. It's not even close.

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/23/report-clippers-have-some-level-of-interest-in-sixers-tobias-harris/

Not in the starting line-up, no. I've been on the no Mann starting train for awhile now, with PG/Harden on the team.

I'd be fine if Mann started at SG, but the team got a solid fit at PF. Which means PG or Harden are gone.

Harris isn't what the team needs and doesn't make the team better at PF for what the PF needs to bring.

Ballings7 · Post #449 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:12 am

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Sofia · Post #450 » by **Sofia** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:50 am

Hopefully that NYK and Brooklyn trade drives up the price of star players and we can get a bit extra out of the PG trade

esqtvd · Post #451 » by **esqtvd** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:15 am

Just when the Knicks are coming out of the outhouse they trade away the next decade for a 2nd-tier "star?" I have no idea what "the market" is anymore. Not even 20 ppg?

ejftw · Post #452 » by **ejftw** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:58 am

I'm baffled at how much the Knicks mortgaged for Mikal. Especially if they end up not retaining OG/Hartenstein.

Why wouldn't I be shocked to see PG go to Houston now for the two Suns picks and jags (Brooks, Adams, Jeff Green, Tate).

Captain Ballmer · Post #453 » by **Captain Ballmer** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:00 am

Sofia wrote:Hopefully that NYK and Brooklyn trade drives up the price of star players and we can get a bit extra out of the PG trade

I don't know about that but Knicks starting 5 is Brunson-DDV-Bridges-OG and Center if they can retain OG. This means Randle is up for grabs literally.

KL2 · Post #454 » by **KL2** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:13 am

I leave for a day and something finally happens.

wco81 · Post #455 » by **wco81** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:06 pm

ejftw wrote:I'm baffled at how much the Knicks mortgaged for Mikal. Especially if they end up not retaining OG/Hartenstein.

Why wouldn't I be shocked to see PG go to Houston now for the two Suns picks and jags (Brooks, Adams, Jeff Green, Tate).

Rockets have 4 or 5 high lotto picks on their roster. Some of them are going to get paid. They want to get KD or maybe PG as alternate. So they are ready to trade the FRPs and a bunch of salary.

Warriors don’t have attractive draft assets to trade. Only some players with big cap numbers.

MartinToVaught · Post #456 » by **MartinToVaught** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:34 pm

I still wouldn't have traded that much for Bridges, but the Knicks did not mortgage the future anywhere near as badly as we did for PG, or the Suns did for KD/Beal.

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Bridges also isn't on the wrong side of 30.

MartinToVaught · Post #457 » by **MartinToVaught** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:39 pm

wco81 wrote:
ejftw wrote:I'm baffled at how much the Knicks mortgaged for Mikal. Especially if they end up not retaining OG/Hartenstein.

Why wouldn't I be shocked to see PG go to Houston now for the two Suns picks and jags (Brooks, Adams, Jeff Green, Tate).

Rockets have 4 or 5 high lotto picks on their roster. Some of them are going to get paid. They want to get KD or maybe PG as alternate. So they are ready to trade the FRPs and a bunch of salary.

Warriors don’t have attractive draft assets to trade. Only some players with big cap numbers.

The trade value for "stars" is still so inflated that it'd be an egregious failure on Frank's part if we don't get the #3 pick as part of that haul.

MartinToVaught · Post #458 » by **MartinToVaught** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:44 pm

This is the kind of recovery we could make from our current situation if we had a competent front office instead of Frank & co.:

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KL2 · Post #459 » by **KL2** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:53 pm

Windy also says PG would prefer not to leave the west coast.

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You have to at least call right?

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Clemenza · Post #460 » by **Clemenza** » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:37 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:This is the kind of recovery we could make from our current situation if we had a competent front office instead of Frank & co.:

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We'll have to see if they can turn it into something over the next year or two. Meanwhile the Knicks have full control over NYC while the Nets get "they need to go back to New Jersey" jokes and barbs.

Also it looks like Houston is tired of rebuilding. Either Green or Jabari Smith was supposed to become a star player by now. Looks like Sengun might even be on the trading block which is shocking. Looks like the league is still in love with the old players