Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread

[Realtalk420]

Let’s say Mavs trade THJ for Grimes. Could he be traded into our TPE and then create a 16m (THJ) sized TPE?

THJ around 16.2M
Grimes around 4.3M

if really trade, will create a 11.9M TPE

But Dallas already has 4,953,980M TPE that expires on 7/8. My question is could they absorb Grimes into that and then create 16.2M THJ TPE.

[Captain_Obvious]

Let’s say Mavs trade THJ for Grimes. Could he be traded into our TPE and then create a 16m (THJ) sized TPE?

THJ around 16.2M
Grimes around 4.3M

if really trade, will create a 11.9M TPE

But Dallas already has 4,953,980M TPE that expires on 7/8. My question is could they absorb Grimes into that and then create 16.2M THJ TPE.

That is an interesting angle. We are technically under the 1st Appron - can we then use the 16.2M TPE for a sign-and-trade scenario - hardcapping us at the 1st appron? Technically - if I read Archx's appron info correctly - we could still use the TMLE - but it would hardcap us at the 2nd appon with tough penalties - so not really adviced...

A sign-and-trade target would be Naji Marshall or Caleb Martin. Or just a trade target...

[kanofwindHK]

THJ around 16.2M
Grimes around 4.3M

if really trade, will create a 11.9M TPE

But Dallas already has 4,953,980M TPE that expires on 7/8. My question is could they absorb Grimes into that and then create 16.2M THJ TPE.

That is an interesting angle. We are technically under the 1st Appron - can we then use the 16.2M TPE for a sign-and-trade scenario - hardcapping us at the 1st appron? Technically - if I read Archx's appron info correctly - we could still use the TMLE - but it would hardcap us at the 2nd appon with tough penalties - so not really adviced...

A sign-and-trade target would be Naji Marshall or Caleb Martin. Or just a trade target...

After thj for grimes, creat salary cap for resign DJJ using MLE is first, this already hard cap on 1st apron and only a few million under apron to use
If u do any sign and trade, we still cannot fully use all the TPE because no enough salary room available undet 1st apron
We need to send out salary player in snt

[Captain_Obvious]

But Dallas already has 4,953,980M TPE that expires on 7/8. My question is could they absorb Grimes into that and then create 16.2M THJ TPE.

That is an interesting angle. We are technically under the 1st Appron - can we then use the 16.2M TPE for a sign-and-trade scenario - hardcapping us at the 1st appron? Technically - if I read Archx's appron info correctly - we could still use the TMLE - but it would hardcap us at the 2nd appon with tough penalties - so not really adviced...

A sign-and-trade target would be Naji Marshall or Caleb Martin. Or just a trade target...

After thj for grimes, creat salary cap for resign DJJ using MLE is first, this already hard cap on 1st apron and only a few million under apron to use
If u do any sign and trade, we still cannot fully use all the TPE because no enough salary room available undet 1st apron
We need to send out salary player in snt

Yeah, I just outlined the scenario of skipping full MLE (DJJ is gone) and go the TPE direction instead (exceeding the 1st appron). DFS would fit into that TPE for instance (Nets look to avoid the tax...).

[kanofwindHK]

That is an interesting angle. We are technically under the 1st Appron - can we then use the 16.2M TPE for a sign-and-trade scenario - hardcapping us at the 1st appron? Technically - if I read Archx's appron info correctly - we could still use the TMLE - but it would hardcap us at the 2nd appon with tough penalties - so not really adviced...

A sign-and-trade target would be Naji Marshall or Caleb Martin. Or just a trade target...

After thj for grimes, creat salary cap for resign DJJ using MLE is first, this already hard cap on 1st apron and only a few million under apron to use
If u do any sign and trade, we still cannot fully use all the TPE because no enough salary room available undet 1st apron
We need to send out salary player in snt

Yeah, I just outlined the scenario of skipping full MLE (DJJ is gone) and go the TPE direction instead (exceeding the 1st appron). DFS would fit into that TPE for instance (Nets look to avoid the tax...).

But nico said resign is the first priority
So unless DJJ willing to accept 1+1 TMLE

Also, if we accept any one snt player, we already hard cap on 1st apron

So the best senior is DJJ sign 1+1TMLE ( i doubt on it)
Then hard cap
On 2nd apron

After, u can trade whatever player (e.g. j.grant, wiggins, etc) u like once u still under 1st apron
Once over 1st apron, trade out going salary must bigger than incomingq

[Archx]

Guys... ONLY when THJ is traded it will create a FULL MLE option for Mavs, which is around 13M. A large portion of that money will probably be used on DJJ. They'll still have Tax MLE available + BAE (because they didn't use it last season). But problem is, they'll be operating incredibly close or even above the 1st apron because there are rumors that a player is almost guaranteed coming back in that trade.

They could avoid that if DJJ commands much less money than everyone is anticipating. Any wiggle room with trades would then increase a bit but don't expect any significant trades unless Nico really cooked up some magic or any team out there is desperate enough to take on salary cap (for some weird reason).

[daoneandonly]

ANy chance we pursue a trade for CamJo or a reunion with DFS?

[kanofwindHK]

Guys... ONLY when THJ is traded it will create a FULL MLE option for Mavs, which is around 13M. A large portion of that money will probably be used on DJJ. They'll still have Tax MLE available + BAE (because they didn't use it last season). But problem is, they'll be operating incredibly close or even above the 1st apron because there are rumors that a player is almost guaranteed coming back in that trade.

They could avoid that if DJJ commands much less money than everyone is anticipating. Any wiggle room with trades would then increase a bit but don't expect any significant trades unless Nico really cooked up some magic or any team out there is desperate enough to take on salary cap (for some weird reason).

No, when u use the full mle on DJJ, u will not have taxpayer mle and hard cap on 1st apron
Yes u will still have BAE around 4.5m can sign a role player
But it is already very near the 1st apron
And u still need to leave some room to sign vet min player to fullfill the 15 player at the end of season

[Archx]

Guys... ONLY when THJ is traded it will create a FULL MLE option for Mavs, which is around 13M. A large portion of that money will probably be used on DJJ. They'll still have Tax MLE available + BAE (because they didn't use it last season). But problem is, they'll be operating incredibly close or even above the 1st apron because there are rumors that a player is almost guaranteed coming back in that trade.

They could avoid that if DJJ commands much less money than everyone is anticipating. Any wiggle room with trades would then increase a bit but don't expect any significant trades unless Nico really cooked up some magic or any team out there is desperate enough to take on salary cap (for some weird reason).

No, when u use the full mle on DJJ, u will not have taxpayer mle and hard cap on 1st apron
Yes u will still have BAE around 4.5m can sign a role player
But it is already very near the 1st apron
And u still need to leave some room to sign vet min player to fullfill the 15 player at the end of season

TAX 5.2M MLE is available at 1st apron but not at 2nd and so is BAE. But using both would basically shoot you into the 2nd. That's why people speculate that Mavs won't use it.

[kanofwindHK]

Guys... ONLY when THJ is traded it will create a FULL MLE option for Mavs, which is around 13M. A large portion of that money will probably be used on DJJ. They'll still have Tax MLE available + BAE (because they didn't use it last season). But problem is, they'll be operating incredibly close or even above the 1st apron because there are rumors that a player is almost guaranteed coming back in that trade.

They could avoid that if DJJ commands much less money than everyone is anticipating. Any wiggle room with trades would then increase a bit but don't expect any significant trades unless Nico really cooked up some magic or any team out there is desperate enough to take on salary cap (for some weird reason).

No, when u use the full mle on DJJ, u will not have taxpayer mle and hard cap on 1st apron
Yes u will still have BAE around 4.5m can sign a role player
But it is already very near the 1st apron
And u still need to leave some room to sign vet min player to fullfill the 15 player at the end of season

TAX 5.2M MLE is available at 1st apron but not at 2nd and so is BAE. But using both would basically shoot you into the 2nd. That's why people speculate that Mavs won't use it.

U will only have either taxpayer mle or non-taxpayer mle , but not both

Actually there are three type of mle
1) Under salary cap 141m, u will have room mle 8m
2) Between salary cap to luxury tax line171m, u will have non-taxpayer mle 12.9m, but will result to hard cap on 1st apron 178.6m
3) between tax line to 2nd apron 189.6m, u can only have taxpayer mle 5.2m and result hard cap on 2nd apron
4) over 2nd apron, no mle

BAE is another thing, it is around 4.5m and when u use it, u will hard cap on 1st apron

[kanofwindHK]

Guys... ONLY when THJ is traded it will create a FULL MLE option for Mavs, which is around 13M. A large portion of that money will probably be used on DJJ. They'll still have Tax MLE available + BAE (because they didn't use it last season). But problem is, they'll be operating incredibly close or even above the 1st apron because there are rumors that a player is almost guaranteed coming back in that trade.

They could avoid that if DJJ commands much less money than everyone is anticipating. Any wiggle room with trades would then increase a bit but don't expect any significant trades unless Nico really cooked up some magic or any team out there is desperate enough to take on salary cap (for some weird reason).

No, when u use the full mle on DJJ, u will not have taxpayer mle and hard cap on 1st apron
Yes u will still have BAE around 4.5m can sign a role player
But it is already very near the 1st apron
And u still need to leave some room to sign vet min player to fullfill the 15 player at the end of season

TAX 5.2M MLE is available at 1st apron but not at 2nd and so is BAE. But using both would basically shoot you into the 2nd. That's why people speculate that Mavs won't use it.

Now mavs is 13 players with salary 174.8m which is over luxury tax 171.3m, so can only use 5.2m tmle
Assume trade thj for air to go under tax line and resign DJJ on non-taxpayer mle
Then new 13 players salary become 174.8m-16.2m+12.9m=171.5m which is 7.1m under 1st apron hard cap (178.6m)
On thj trade, u may have 16.2m trade player exception, but u can only use maximum 7.1m of it because u cannot go above 1st apron no matter what reason
U may also choose another way, use BAE 4.6m & 2m vet min for 14 & 15 players, result still under hard cap

Actually the cap rule is even more difficult to do, e.g. irving have 1m likely incentive and 1m unlikey incentive, pjw have 0.5m unlikely incentive
When do the hard cap, u need to take care the unlikely incentive problem

[arkuo]

THJ + Kleber + Powell for Ben Simmons and 1 or 2 of the first round picks they got from the Knicks. Mavs in or out?

[daoneandonly]

THJ + Kleber + Powell for Ben Simmons and 1 or 2 of the first round picks they got from the Knicks. Mavs in or out?

WHy would the Nets give up picks to take on extra years of Maxi and Powell?

[kanofwindHK]

THJ + Kleber + Powell for Ben Simmons and 1 or 2 of the first round picks they got from the Knicks. Mavs in or out?

Ben simmion is one year left and no salary problem, i doubt nets will use one first round pick to trade he out

[dirkforpres]

THJ + Kleber + Powell for Ben Simmons and 1 or 2 of the first round picks they got from the Knicks. Mavs in or out?

I highly doubt Kyrie is up for another year of hoping Ben Simmons shows up for work.

[Mavrelous]

Maxi/THJ/25 1st for Cam Johnson

[Archx]

Maxi/THJ/25 1st for Cam Johnson

That would work perfectly. Did you follow him more closely, would he fit in this team?

[Mavrelous]

Maxi/THJ/25 1st for Cam Johnson

That would work perfectly. Did you follow him more closely, would he fit in this team?

He's a tweener on defense, not strong enough to be bruiser not quick enough to be a perimeter guy, but he's a light out shooter with good size and has some juice off the dribble, perfect 6th man who can close games easily.
The (realistic) perfect fit for this team is Collin Sexton IMO, but I don't he's available.

[Archx]

No, when u use the full mle on DJJ, u will not have taxpayer mle and hard cap on 1st apron
Yes u will still have BAE around 4.5m can sign a role player
But it is already very near the 1st apron
And u still need to leave some room to sign vet min player to fullfill the 15 player at the end of season

TAX 5.2M MLE is available at 1st apron but not at 2nd and so is BAE. But using both would basically shoot you into the 2nd. That's why people speculate that Mavs won't use it.

U will only have either taxpayer mle or non-taxpayer mle , but not both

Actually there are three type of mle
1) Under salary cap 141m, u will have room mle 8m
2) Between salary cap to luxury tax line171m, u will have non-taxpayer mle 12.9m, but will result to hard cap on 1st apron 178.6m
3) between tax line to 2nd apron 189.6m, u can only have taxpayer mle 5.2m and result hard cap on 2nd apron
4) over 2nd apron, no mle

BAE is another thing, it is around 4.5m and when u use it, u will hard cap on 1st apron

I only said Tax MLE is available at 1st apron. When Mavs trade THJ and sign DJJ into normal MLE, they probably won't use BAE. I have no clue how far Nico is willing to go or what their actual plan is and i have no clue how much will DJJ actually demand.

[Archx]

Maxi/THJ/25 1st for Cam Johnson

That would work perfectly. Did you follow him more closely, would he fit in this team?

He's a tweener on defense, not strong enough to be bruiser not quick enough to be a perimeter guy, but he's a light out shooter with good size and has some juice off the dribble, perfect 6th man who can close games easily.
The (realistic) perfect fit for this team is Collin Sexton IMO, but I don't he's available.

I'm reading just now that Mavs have interests in Durant There is no way this is true....

On the more realistic side, Nets are apparently having a fire sell, basically almost everyone is available.