2024 NBA Draft (euro season, college season, scouting, prospects etc)

[Norm2953]

!) Risacher
2) Sarr
3) Sheppard
4) Castle
5) Buzelis
6) Knecht
7) Clingan
8) Dillingham
9) Edey
10) Williams
11) Salaun
12) Topic
13) Holland
14) De Silva

[Case2012]

1)--ATL, Risacher
2)--WAS, Sarr
3)--HOU, Sheppard
4)--SAS, Castle
5)--DET, Matas
6)--CHA, Knecht
7)--POR, Clingan
8)--SAS, Dillingham
9)--MEM, Holland
10)--UTA, Williams
11)--CHI, Carter
12)--OKC, Edey
13)--SAC, Holmes
14)--POR, Salaun

[red_power]

I hope you're right but I'm convinced we draft Clingan.

Listening to the Simmons podcast thinking about how Dillingham is gonna average 25-30 points in his prime and we didn't take him because of Scoot. Like, I'm not in love with any of the wings, except Castle and Knecht but I don't think they're gonna be there at 14 and Dillingham could be there. It's so blasphemous to even suggest a small pg but man, he is so much better than Scoot, like elite scorer, shot creator, finisher, shot over %44 from 3... Ugh idk man.

He is tiny.

Tiny.

Do you want to recall how many teams passed on Brunson, Lillard, Lowry or Isaiah Thomas because those guys appeared to be "tiny"?

Meanwhile, I don't think Dillingham is going to be a really great NBA player. Unlike those guys, he also has a narrow frame. It's difficult to see a guy like that to be a truly go-to perimeter player. I think his ceiling is more like a guy like Lou Williams or Ant Simons. Not bad, but not striking good.

[Goldbum]

Apparently ATL flew Matas out last night - wouldnt be shocked if he went #1. Best talent in the draft IMO.

You are onto something

[Goldbum]

So night before draft how does everyone see the top 6 going?

Call your shot

1) ATL Sarr - I think drama over Sarr’s desire to play there is driven by his agent, they take the best player, as they should
2) WAS Risacher- either way Sarr\Risacher go 1/2
3) HOU Sheppard - I don’t think any team is willing to pay the freight to jump up to #3
4) SA Castle - he won’t be there at #8, wings (Salaun) likely will be
5) DET Williams - I think new mgmt changes the groupthink (Buzelis) around this pick
6) CHA Knecht, fits nicely with Lamelo & Miller

Leaving POR to choose between: Clingan & Buzelis


7) POR selects: Clingan - ESPN mock has been pretty steady on this outcome for awhile and their history is pretty accurate. I think all of the noise about Clingan at # 1,3,4,5,6 is teams trolling for value\assets worth trading down for and none of them are willing to sell their pick cheaply

Calling shots--based on current intel and considering positional fit and team needs, this is my 1st round Mock:

1)--ATL, Risacher
2)--WAS, Sarr
3)--HOU, Sheppard
4)--SAS, Castle
5)--DET, Knecht
6)--CHA, Carter
7)--POR, Clingan
8)--SAS, Dillingham
9)--MEM, Edey
10)--UTA, Topic
11)--CHI, Williams
12)--OKC, Da Silva
13)--SAC, Salaun
14)--POR, Buzelis
15)--MIA, Carrington
16)--PHI, George
17)--LAL, McCain
18)--ORL, Walter
19)--TOR, Holland
20)--CLE, Tyson
21)--NOP, Holmes
22)--PHX, Kolek
23)--MIL, Filipowski
24)--NYK, Dunn
25)--NYK, Scheierman
26)--WAS, Collier
27)--MIN, Mitchell
28)--DEN, Jones
29)--UTA, Johnson
30)--BOS, Ware

Clingan and Buzelis would be a dream

[JRoy]

I hope you're right but I'm convinced we draft Clingan.

Listening to the Simmons podcast thinking about how Dillingham is gonna average 25-30 points in his prime and we didn't take him because of Scoot. Like, I'm not in love with any of the wings, except Castle and Knecht but I don't think they're gonna be there at 14 and Dillingham could be there. It's so blasphemous to even suggest a small pg but man, he is so much better than Scoot, like elite scorer, shot creator, finisher, shot over %44 from 3... Ugh idk man.

He is tiny.

Tiny.

Do you want to recall how many teams passed on Brunson, Lillard, Lowry or Isaiah Thomas because those guys appeared to be "tiny"?

Meanwhile, I don't think Dillingham is going to be a really great NBA player. Unlike those guys, he also has a narrow frame. It's difficult to see a guy like that to be a truly go-to perimeter player. I think his ceiling is more like a guy like Lou Williams or Ant Simons. Not bad, but not striking good.

All those guys were heavier than him. Tired of dainty little guards that can’t/won’t guard anyone.

[BlazersBroncos]

Not to hijack with a huge post, but this is my final big board -

1. Matas Buzelis F
2. Anexandre Sarr FC
3. Reed Sheppard G
4. Devin Carter G
5. Donovan Clingan C
6. Tyler Smith F
7. Zach Edey C
8. Zaccharie Riascher F
9. Ron Holland F
10. Bub Carrington G
11. Dalton Knetch GF
12. Cody Williams F
13. Rob Dillingham PG
14. Kyshawn George GF
15. Tristan da Silva F
16. Kel’el Ware C
17. Stephon Castle G
18. Pacome Diadet GF
19. Tidjane Salaun F
20. Nikola Durisic F
21. Kyle Filipowski FC
22. Johnny Furphy F
23. Nikola Topic G
24. DaRon Holmes C
25. Jared McCain G
26. Enrique Freeman F
27. Yves Missi C
28. Tyler Kolek PG
29. Ja’Kobe Walter G
30. Ryan Dunn F
31. Cam Christie G
32. Jalen Bridges GF
33. N’Faly Dante C
34. Baylor Schierman F
35. Isaiah Collier PG
36. Bobi Klintman F
37. Terrance Shannon Jr G
38. Ajay Mitchell G
39. Pelle Larsen G
40. Jamal Shead PG
41. Jaylon Tyson GF
42. Adem Bona C
43. KJ Simpson PG
44. Kevin McCullar GF
45. Isaiah Crawford F
46. PJ Hall F
47. Justin Edwards GF
48. Melvin Ajinca F
49. Oso Ighodaro FC
50. Jonathan Mogbo F
51. Juan Nunez PG
52. Jaylen Wells GF
53. Ulrich Comche C
54. Cam Spencer G
55. Bronny James G
56. Dillon Jones F
57. Tristen Newton PG
58. Keshad Johnson F
59. Trentyn Flowers F
60. AJ Johnson G

[Pattycakes]

Not to hijack with a huge post, but this is my final big board -

1. Matas Buzelis F
2. Anexandre Sarr FC
3. Reed Sheppard G
4. Devin Carter G
5. Donovan Clingan C
6. Tyler Smith F
7. Zach Edey C
8. Zaccharie Riascher F
9. Ron Holland F
10. Bub Carrington G
11. Dalton Knetch GF
12. Cody Williams F
13. Rob Dillingham PG
14. Kyshawn George GF
15. Tristan da Silva F
16. Kel’el Ware C
17. Stephon Castle G
18. Pacome Diadet GF
19. Tidjane Salaun F
20. Nikola Durisic F
21. Kyle Filipowski FC
22. Johnny Furphy F
23. Nikola Topic G
24. DaRon Holmes C
25. Jared McCain G
26. Enrique Freeman F
27. Yves Missi C
28. Tyler Kolek PG
29. Ja’Kobe Walter G
30. Ryan Dunn F
31. Cam Christie G
32. Jalen Bridges GF
33. N’Faly Dante C
34. Baylor Schierman F
35. Isaiah Collier PG
36. Bobi Klintman F
37. Terrance Shannon Jr G
38. Ajay Mitchell G
39. Pelle Larsen G
40. Jamal Shead PG
41. Jaylon Tyson GF
42. Adem Bona C
43. KJ Simpson PG
44. Kevin McCullar GF
45. Isaiah Crawford F
46. PJ Hall F
47. Justin Edwards GF
48. Melvin Ajinca F
49. Oso Ighodaro FC
50. Jonathan Mogbo F
51. Juan Nunez PG
52. Jaylen Wells GF
53. Ulrich Comche C
54. Cam Spencer G
55. Bronny James G
56. Dillon Jones F
57. Tristen Newton PG
58. Keshad Johnson F
59. Trentyn Flowers F
60. AJ Johnson G

Castle, Topic, Salaun… all these guys need to be higher. Some of it, I can ultimately wrap my head around but there’s some serious misses here

[Walton1one]

Some wild rumors out there, I think Houston would prefer to trade the pick, but the asking price remains high, and I have a hard time seeing teams willing to pay that price

Mark Williams and #6 to trade up to #3? Why would Charlotte do that?

HOU willing to trade Sengun in order to get KD?
I just can’t buy that one, KD is 36, how many teams has he wrecked already and HOU is nowhere near ready even with him? Makes no sense,

[BlazersBroncos]

Castle, Topic, Salaun… all these guys need to be higher. Some of it, I can ultimately wrap my head around but there’s some serious misses here

I didnt forget about them, I simply am lower on them than the concensus.

Salaun is a poor athlete unless he has a head of steam. He managed 10 blocks all year, and the testing numbers back up his poor athletic on screen play. He is horrible going off 2 feet. I dont see a blue chip by any means. He has nice size and a + WS, but his skills are nothing special, and he doesnt have the allure of being a + athlete to be leaned on as a high ceiling guy. 40% FG, 31% 3PT, 74% FT - no real passing flashes, mediocre rebounder. I just see a draft that needed to pick a 'guy' to hype up and seperate from the pack of developmental guys (IE Diadet) and chose Salaun.

Topic will have no position to defend at the next level. He isnt fast or quick enough to guard PG, and I would argue the same for SG. He has injury issues, is a putrid shooter from 3 with a really bad release. He has a Bosh neck that means functionally he is closer to 6'5 than 6'7, negative WS, no testing numbers but he is a really bad vertical athlete. He is fast with the ball, and I can see him becoming a nice bench floor general. But I dont see a guy that will ever be able to defend at the next level, and I deduct huge points for that (And the injuries dont help). Like, is there a chance you can have Topic on the floor in the last minutes of a PO game and he doesnt get targeted on defense every time down the floor? I dont see it.

Castle made 33 shots outside the paint ALL YEAR. He isnt just a bad shooter, he is a bad, unwilling shooter. I understand projecting shot improvement but you need something to start with and I am just horrified by a guard that has a shot chart that looks like a traditional big man. I dont see the crazy upside some do. I can see a solid defensive guard who plays smart, but I am not penciling in a guy like Castle to a playoff rotation with such a poor shot. He is like a G version of Justice Winslow in a way. Great intangibles, hardworking, makes the little plays, but end of the day guys that are THIS bad at shooting generally dont overcome the issue.

[Blazinaway]

what happened to the good ole days of rumors all over the place - sure seems boring without that!

[Pattycakes]

Today’s the day! Been looking forward to this for monthssss. Hopefully a ton of activity leaguewide, but most importantly with our own franchise.

Hoping for a few awesome picks and a trade or two to consolidate our remaining vets for other assets.

Lfg

[BlazersBroncos]

My wishes -

Simons and/or Grant traded.
Using current picks and/or picks from above trade we end up drafting Matas Buzelis + Zach Edey + Tyler Smith.

Realistic - we trade 7 + 14 to get Clingan - no vets moved.

[The Sebastian Express]

My wishes are Simons and Grant both traded or at least one, preference on Ant (who is a great kid but just don't see the future here in our current setup).

Avoiding Edey like the plague.

One of Matas and Salaun or that other French kid we've been talking about. Didot I think?

[DusterBuster]

Toronto could theoretically field trade inquiries for much longer than the four minutes the Raptors will have once the second round begins. Utah, currently holding the No. 32 pick, has been engaged in various trade scenarios to move up into the first round, according to sources. All of Milwaukee (No. 33), Portland (No. 34) and San Antonio (No. 35) are considered creative front offices that will be weighing deals with those picks, sources said. For those teams to stay, or any team looking to move in, there will be plenty of value to add second-round picks onto expensive rosters, with tax savings becoming more and more essential under this new CBA’s second apron and its rash of penalties.

https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-draft-with-two-day-format-nba-teams-look-to-nfl-for-strategic-insight-163205933.html

"creative front offices" - ok Jake...

[Blazinaway]

My wishes -

Simons and/or Grant traded.
Using current picks and/or picks from above trade we end up drafting Matas Buzelis + Zach Edey + Tyler Smith.

Realistic - we trade 7 + 14 to get Clingan - no vets moved.

Do we really need/want to do that? For Clingan I don't, think 50% chance he could be there at 7, I think Edey may end up being better, we see

[Pattycakes]

My wishes -

Simons and/or Grant traded.
Using current picks and/or picks from above trade we end up drafting Matas Buzelis + Zach Edey + Tyler Smith.

Realistic - we trade 7 + 14 to get Clingan - no vets moved.

Do we really need/want to do that? For Clingan I don't, think 50% chance he could be there at 7, I think Edey may end up being better, we see

I think they project equally.

Edey looks built very well (hopefully little athletic concern due to height) however he is def gonna have to work hard and hustle to really affect the game in the way his potential screams. I would not be mad if the blazers get him or Donovan today. I personally think Clingan is who they target, but they’re both special prospects in their own respects.

[DusterBuster]

My wishes -

Simons and/or Grant traded.
Using current picks and/or picks from above trade we end up drafting Matas Buzelis + Zach Edey + Tyler Smith.

Realistic - we trade 7 + 14 to get Clingan - no vets moved.

Do we really need/want to do that? For Clingan I don't, think 50% chance he could be there at 7, I think Edey may end up being better, we see

Yeah, I don't want to see the Blazers trading up to get Clingan. Gives me too much PTSD for drafting Zach Collins. Packaging 15 and 20 to move to 10 for Collins, passing on drafting a combo of Justin Jackson and OG... Derrick White, Kyle Kuzma, Jarrett Allen, etc... that draft was decently solid where not moving up could have actually netted the Blazers 2 starter quality rotation players, instead they moved up to draft one perpetually injured bust.

Not saying Clingan will be that, no one knows, but again, give me more bites at an apple than just one and hope it's the perfect bite.

[Village Idiot]

So night before draft how does everyone see the top 6 going?

Call your shot

1) ATL Sarr - I think drama over Sarr’s desire to play there is driven by his agent, they take the best player, as they should
2) WAS Risacher- either way Sarr\Risacher go 1/2
3) HOU Sheppard - I don’t think any team is willing to pay the freight to jump up to #3
4) SA Castle - he won’t be there at #8, wings (Salaun) likely will be
5) DET Williams - I think new mgmt changes the groupthink (Buzelis) around this pick
6) CHA Knecht, fits nicely with Lamelo & Miller

Leaving POR to choose between: Clingan & Buzelis


7) POR selects: Clingan - ESPN mock has been pretty steady on this outcome for awhile and their history is pretty accurate. I think all of the noise about Clingan at # 1,3,4,5,6 is teams trolling for value\assets worth trading down for and none of them are willing to sell their pick cheaply

1. San Antonio trades 8 and the Atlanta 25 and 27 1st for #1 and draft Rishacher
2. Washington - Sarr
3. Houston trades 3 and Landale for 9, Smart and a top 10 protected Memphis 1st and selects Clingan
4. San Antonio drafts Castle
5. Detroit drafts Sheppard
6. Charlotte drafts Knecht

7. Portland drafts Buzelis

[DusterBuster]

So night before draft how does everyone see the top 6 going?

Call your shot

1) ATL Sarr - I think drama over Sarr’s desire to play there is driven by his agent, they take the best player, as they should
2) WAS Risacher- either way Sarr\Risacher go 1/2
3) HOU Sheppard - I don’t think any team is willing to pay the freight to jump up to #3
4) SA Castle - he won’t be there at #8, wings (Salaun) likely will be
5) DET Williams - I think new mgmt changes the groupthink (Buzelis) around this pick
6) CHA Knecht, fits nicely with Lamelo & Miller

Leaving POR to choose between: Clingan & Buzelis


7) POR selects: Clingan - ESPN mock has been pretty steady on this outcome for awhile and their history is pretty accurate. I think all of the noise about Clingan at # 1,3,4,5,6 is teams trolling for value\assets worth trading down for and none of them are willing to sell their pick cheaply

1. San Antonio trades 8 and the Atlanta 25 and 27 1st for #1 and draft Rishacher
2. Washington - Sarr
3. Houston trades 3 and Landale for 9, Smart and a top 10 protected Memphis 1st and selects Clingan
4. San Antonio drafts Castle
5. Detroit drafts Sheppard
6. Charlotte drafts Knecht

7. Portland drafts Buzelis

Someone sell me on Matas. I know he's highly rated but just can't shake he seems like a euro-bust... whats his skillset/comp? Looking at a poor mans Markkennen here?