Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[spree2kawhi]

1) Sims & Diakete going out in that Mikal trade most likely
2) OG staying on a decent deal
3) iHart staying on a decent deal
4) Thibs gets his 3 year extension (we have Hurley or Wright waiting in the future)
5) Mitch gets traded into cap space for assets
6) Randle and Brunson extend their contracts later this year
7) We retain Precious on QO; Burks on a small deal
8) Rokas does not come over this year
9) We draft two players (Dunn & Shannon Jr.); trade our other pick forward
10) We sign a 3rd string center on the vet min (Drummond?)

/end prediction

Remembering the Philly series, it is hard to see Mitch go. Hartenstein cannot check Embiid.

[sol537]

Maybe we keep Mitch and Randle through this upcoming run as they were two of our OG's...

[Richard4444]

According to the user Scott, we have to count the bonus as well into the hard cap.

Randle (29M + 2,8M Bonus), OG (38M expected), Mikal (23,3), Brunson (25M), Hart (18,1M), IHart (16,5M expected), Mitch (14,3M) Donte (11,5 + 0,7 Bonus), Deuce (4,7M).
Total 183,9 (9 players)
Full roster (plus 6 2M players in the better scenario) = 196M

We are already hard capped into the first (178) or into the second apron (188M).

Not sure if the trade has been finalized yet so we don't know if we'll be hard capped or not. We could be including some minimum deals to prevent that.

If we do not include more salary in the trade, we will be hard-capped in the first apron because the incoming (Mikal) is higher than the outcoming salary (.

If we add salary in the trade, we will be hard-capped in the second apron because we attached salaries in the trade.

[WargamesX]

According to the user Scott, we have to count the bonus as well into the hard cap.

Randle (29M + 2,8M Bonus), OG (38M expected), Mikal (23,3), Brunson (25M), Hart (18,1M), IHart (16,5M expected), Mitch (14,3M) Donte (11,5 + 0,7 Bonus), Deuce (4,7M).
Total 183,9 (9 players)
Full roster (plus 6 2M players in the better scenario) = 196M

We are already hard capped into the first (178) or into the second apron (188M).

Not sure if the trade has been finalized yet so we don't know if we'll be hard capped or not. We could be including some minimum deals to prevent that.

If we do not include more salary in the trade, we will be hard-capped in the first apron because the incoming (Mikal) is higher than the outcoming salary (.

If we add salary in the trade, we will be hard-capped in the second apron because we attached salaries in the trade.

This first and second apron is like reading DnD rules, when it comes to caveats....

[8516knicks]

if they sign OG back, donte gets pushed to backup pg/bench most likely

brunson
josh
mikal/og
og/mikal
???

Donte is a sixth man now but I love this shoot you to death lineup too:

Brunson
DDV
Bridges
OG
Randle

What a f*ing team! If OG is injured again, we’re still loaded.

Is the percieved reluctance to using Randle as a small ball 5 more Thibs wanting a Rim Protector or Randle not wanting to be a 5 at all?

[robillionaire]

1) Sims & Diakete going out in that Mikal trade most likely
2) OG staying on a decent deal
3) iHart staying on a decent deal
4) Thibs gets his 3 year extension (we have Hurley or Wright waiting in the future)
5) Mitch gets traded into cap space for assets
6) Randle and Brunson extend their contracts later this year
7) We retain Precious on QO; Burks on a small deal
8) Rokas does not come over this year
9) We draft two players (Dunn & Shannon Jr.); trade our other pick forward
10) We sign a 3rd string center on the vet min (Drummond?)

/end prediction

Remembering the Philly series, it is hard to see Mitch go. Hartenstein cannot check Embiid.

But we still somehow won the series with Mitch injured

Embiid is a great player, at best he can be slowed down a little bit. Mitch does as good a job slowing him down as one can hope but not reliable to be available when we might need him either. Like seriously what are the odds if we face Philly in the playoffs again that Mitch will even be able to play? 50% 40%?

[KnickFan33]

Thoughts on Bamba? Cheap, can spread the floor, and maybe Thibs can work some of that big man magic on him.

[moocow007]

So what’s next?

iHart takes a pay cut to stay. We give OG the max. We trade Mitch. Then we win the chip?

Who else is going to give OG the max? The Knicks don't need to immediately jump and give him the max.

[WargamesX]

1) Sims & Diakete going out in that Mikal trade most likely
2) OG staying on a decent deal
3) iHart staying on a decent deal
4) Thibs gets his 3 year extension (we have Hurley or Wright waiting in the future)
5) Mitch gets traded into cap space for assets
6) Randle and Brunson extend their contracts later this year
7) We retain Precious on QO; Burks on a small deal
8) Rokas does not come over this year
9) We draft two players (Dunn & Shannon Jr.); trade our other pick forward
10) We sign a 3rd string center on the vet min (Drummond?)

/end prediction

Remembering the Philly series, it is hard to see Mitch go. Hartenstein cannot check Embiid.

But we still somehow won the series with Mitch injured

Embiid is a great player, at best he can be slowed down a little bit. Mitch does as good a job slowing him down as one can hope but not reliable to be available when we might need him either. Like seriously what are the odds if we face Philly in the playoffs again that Mitch will even be able to play? 50% 40%?

Those are actually good enough odds to keep him.

[Jeffrey]

if they sign OG back, donte gets pushed to backup pg/bench most likely

brunson
josh
mikal/og
og/mikal
???

Donte is a sixth man now but I love this shoot you to death lineup too:

Brunson
DDV
Bridges
OG
Randle

What a f*ing team! If OG is injured again, we’re still loaded.

Is the percieved reluctance to using Randle as a small ball 5 more Thibs wanting a Rim Protector or Randle not wanting to be a 5 at all?

I think Thibs wants a legit 7 footer. He will play Randle at the 5 and he did last year. However, that was a sh.itshow.

BTW, Randle slimmed down last year because he wanted to be agile to attack the rim. Not sure if he will put on the weight that he did a few years ago.

[sol537]

1) Sims & Diakete going out in that Mikal trade most likely
2) OG staying on a decent deal
3) iHart staying on a decent deal
4) Thibs gets his 3 year extension (we have Hurley or Wright waiting in the future)
5) Mitch gets traded into cap space for assets
6) Randle and Brunson extend their contracts later this year
7) We retain Precious on QO; Burks on a small deal
8) Rokas does not come over this year
9) We draft two players (Dunn & Shannon Jr.); trade our other pick forward
10) We sign a 3rd string center on the vet min (Drummond?)

/end prediction

Remembering the Philly series, it is hard to see Mitch go. Hartenstein cannot check Embiid.

But we still somehow won the series with Mitch injured

Embiid is a great player, at best he can be slowed down a little bit. Mitch does as good a job slowing him down as one can hope but not reliable to be available when we might need him either. Like seriously what are the odds if we face Philly in the playoffs again that Mitch will even be able to play? 50% 40%?

To keep OG, iHart, and Robinson... we'd likely have to trade all our picks this year and let Precious (and Burks) walk. I'm not opposed to kicking the picks forward if it means we can retain all three guys.

[WargamesX]

Remembering the Philly series, it is hard to see Mitch go. Hartenstein cannot check Embiid.

But we still somehow won the series with Mitch injured

Embiid is a great player, at best he can be slowed down a little bit. Mitch does as good a job slowing him down as one can hope but not reliable to be available when we might need him either. Like seriously what are the odds if we face Philly in the playoffs again that Mitch will even be able to play? 50% 40%?

To keep OG, iHart, and Robinson... we'd likely have to trade all our picks this year and let Precious (and Burks) walk. I'm not opposed to kicking the picks forward if it means we can retain all three guys.

Wait how much money do they have to spend if they let Precious and Burks walk?

[Richard4444]

So what’s next?

iHart takes a pay cut to stay. We give OG the max. We trade Mitch. Then we win the chip?

Who else is going to give OG the max?

Everyone!!!

[Knick4Real]

Remembering the Philly series, it is hard to see Mitch go. Hartenstein cannot check Embiid.

But we still somehow won the series with Mitch injured

Embiid is a great player, at best he can be slowed down a little bit. Mitch does as good a job slowing him down as one can hope but not reliable to be available when we might need him either. Like seriously what are the odds if we face Philly in the playoffs again that Mitch will even be able to play? 50% 40%?

To keep OG, iHart, and Robinson... we'd likely have to trade all our picks this year and let Precious (and Burks) walk. I'm not opposed to kicking the picks forward if it means we can retain all three guys.

I've said it a few times and will say it again: the way the new rules are structured, it's extremely likely we will need to move Julius. The league no longer wants teams loaded with multiple stars (or players being paid as "stars"). That would be us with Brunson, Bridges, OG, and possibly iHart. Also, with the addition of Mikal, there won't be enough shots for everyone.

Prepare yourself for the possibility that the KNICKS may have no other financial choice but to move on from Julius.

[sol537]

But we still somehow won the series with Mitch injured

Embiid is a great player, at best he can be slowed down a little bit. Mitch does as good a job slowing him down as one can hope but not reliable to be available when we might need him either. Like seriously what are the odds if we face Philly in the playoffs again that Mitch will even be able to play? 50% 40%?

To keep OG, iHart, and Robinson... we'd likely have to trade all our picks this year and let Precious (and Burks) walk. I'm not opposed to kicking the picks forward if it means we can retain all three guys.

I've said it a few times and will say it again: the way the new rules are structured, it's extremely likely we will need to move Julius. The league no longer wants teams loaded with multiple stars (or players being paid as "stars"). That would be us with Brunson, Bridges, OG, and possibly iHart. Also, with the addition of Mikal, there won't be enough shots for everyone.

Prepare yourself for the possibility that the KNICKS may have no other financial choice but to move on from Julius.

Knicks can run this core with Randle this season and next... then they may have to make tough decisions on a guy like Randle. Not there yet... Let's win one in this 2 year window first.

[HarthorneWingo]

Any way we can still keep IHart?

[Wildcat]

Thoughts on Bamba? Cheap, can spread the floor, and maybe Thibs can work some of that big man magic on him.

He's not spreading the floor because the league as a whole don't respect that shot.

[Wildcat]

Any way we can still keep IHart?

A few scenarios. But it's going to be a tense couple of days.

[dakomish23]

Gonna be crazy when we trade for Bam next

[Jeffrey]

Thoughts on Bamba? Cheap, can spread the floor, and maybe Thibs can work some of that big man magic on him.

He's not spreading the floor because the league as a whole don't respect that shot.

Jalen Smith from Indiana?