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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#721 » by kanofwindHK » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:39 pm

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TAX 5.2M MLE is available at 1st apron but not at 2nd and so is BAE. But using both would basically shoot you into the 2nd. That's why people speculate that Mavs won't use it.

U will only have either taxpayer mle or non-taxpayer mle , but not both

Actually there are three type of mle
1) Under salary cap 141m, u will have room mle 8m
2) Between salary cap to luxury tax line171m, u will have non-taxpayer mle 12.9m, but will result to hard cap on 1st apron 178.6m
3) between tax line to 2nd apron 189.6m, u can only have taxpayer mle 5.2m and result hard cap on 2nd apron
4) over 2nd apron, no mle

BAE is another thing, it is around 4.5m and when u use it, u will hard cap on 1st apron


I only said Tax MLE is available at 1st apron. When Mavs trade THJ and sign DJJ into normal MLE, they probably won't use BAE. I have no clue how far Nico is willing to go or what their actual plan is and i have no clue how much will DJJ actually demand.

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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#722 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:08 pm

Our time is now.

Let the new owners pay, Nico build a contender! Please!
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#723 » by BliscoSantos » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:14 pm

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That would work perfectly. Did you follow him more closely, would he fit in this team?


He's a tweener on defense, not strong enough to be bruiser not quick enough to be a perimeter guy, but he's a light out shooter with good size and has some juice off the dribble, perfect 6th man who can close games easily.
The (realistic) perfect fit for this team is Collin Sexton IMO, but I don't he's available.


I'm reading just now that Mavs have interests in Durant :lol: There is no way this is true....

On the more realistic side, Nets are apparently having a fire sell, basically almost everyone is available.



Shroeder, Claxton, Cam Johnson are intriguing....Schroeder is probably the most realistic one,they wanna keep Claxton(unless someone overpays...maybe OKC) ...and as for Cam, I wouldn't give up more than 2025 first and THJ-Maxi for him...

Ideal trade would have been:

THJ,Maxi,Green,Powell/Exum +25 first for Schroeder,Cam Johnson
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#724 » by Archx » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:29 pm

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He's a tweener on defense, not strong enough to be bruiser not quick enough to be a perimeter guy, but he's a light out shooter with good size and has some juice off the dribble, perfect 6th man who can close games easily.
The (realistic) perfect fit for this team is Collin Sexton IMO, but I don't he's available.


I'm reading just now that Mavs have interests in Durant :lol: There is no way this is true....

On the more realistic side, Nets are apparently having a fire sell, basically almost everyone is available.



Shroeder, Claxton, Cam Johnson are intriguing....Schroeder is probably the most realistic one,they wanna keep Claxton(unless someone overpays...maybe OKC) ...and as for Cam, I wouldn't give up more than 2025 first and THJ-Maxi for him...

Ideal trade would have been:

THJ,Maxi,Green,Powell/Exum +25 first for Schroeder,Cam Johnson


I would hate losing Exum. He's incredibly cheap and valuable.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#725 » by BliscoSantos » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:30 pm

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I'm reading just now that Mavs have interests in Durant :lol: There is no way this is true....

On the more realistic side, Nets are apparently having a fire sell, basically almost everyone is available.



Shroeder, Claxton, Cam Johnson are intriguing....Schroeder is probably the most realistic one,they wanna keep Claxton(unless someone overpays...maybe OKC) ...and as for Cam, I wouldn't give up more than 2025 first and THJ-Maxi for him...

Ideal trade would have been:

THJ,Maxi,Green,Powell/Exum +25 first for Schroeder,Cam Johnson


I would hate losing Exum. He's incredibly cheap and valuable.


Valuable in the regular season,he was useless in the playoffs,like THJ...Schroeder would have been an upgrade at PG position
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#726 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:37 pm

Isnt there bad blood between Dirk and Shroder? If that is true, no chance he's ever a Maverick
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#727 » by BliscoSantos » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:50 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Isnt there bad blood between Dirk and Shroder? If that is true, no chance he's ever a Maverick


They didn't get along but Schroeder was young back then... he's grown up... don't think there's any animosity
But there is bad blood between Schroeder and Maxi,because Schroeder called Maxi out when he didn't want to Play for Germany...turns out Schroeder was right and they win the WC without Maxi, who's an average Player at Best and wouldn't even be a starter in most Euroleague teams
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#728 » by ACMFFL » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:54 pm

What about:

BOS [out: #30; #54]
26 DAL 1st swap
#58 (via DAL)

BRK [out: CamJ]
Green
Kleber
top10 protected 25 DAL 1st

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)

DET [out: Grimes]
Hardaway
Exum
#30 (via BOS)
25 DAL 2nd
worst of 28 CHA/LAC 2nd

•then we have enough space under the 1st apron to throw MLE money at DJJ.
•draft a guard at #54.

Gaff / Lively / Powell
PJ / CamJ / Morris
DJJ / Grimes / OMax
Kai / Hardy / Lawson
Doncic / min vet / #54

Add much needed high volume shooting off the bench (Grimes had a down year but in his 2 first seasons he was a 38% shooter on 5 attempts per game) while creating the room to re-sign DJJ.
Maybe too light for Detroit? Has Dallas to give up TOR 2nd too?
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#729 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:27 pm

ACMFFL wrote:What about:

BOS [out: #30; #54]
26 DAL 1st swap
#58 (via DAL)

BRK [out: CamJ]
Green
Kleber
top10 protected 25 DAL 1st

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)

DET [out: Grimes]
Hardaway
Exum
#30 (via BOS)
25 DAL 2nd
worst of 28 CHA/LAC 2nd

•then we have enough space under the 1st apron to throw MLE money at DJJ.
•draft a guard at #54.

Gaff / Lively / Powell
PJ / CamJ / Morris
DJJ / Grimes / OMax
Kai / Hardy / Lawson
Doncic / min vet / #54

Add much needed high volume shooting off the bench (Grimes had a down year but in his 2 first seasons he was a 38% shooter on 5 attempts per game) while creating the room to re-sign DJJ.
Maybe too light for Detroit? Has Dallas to give up TOR 2nd too?

I like it, very creative.
I'd keep Exum and convince DJJ to take 40/4.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#730 » by daoneandonly » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:57 pm

CamJo doesnt have that kind of value on that deal. I dont see anything in that swap that would make Dallas give up their limited FRP' asset
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#731 » by HMFFL » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:57 pm

ACMFFL wrote:What about:

BOS [out: #30; #54]
26 DAL 1st swap
#58 (via DAL)

BRK [out: CamJ]
Green
Kleber
top10 protected 25 DAL 1st

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)

DET [out: Grimes]
Hardaway
Exum
#30 (via BOS)
25 DAL 2nd
worst of 28 CHA/LAC 2nd

•then we have enough space under the 1st apron to throw MLE money at DJJ.
•draft a guard at #54.

Gaff / Lively / Powell
PJ / CamJ / Morris
DJJ / Grimes / OMax
Kai / Hardy / Lawson
Doncic / min vet / #54

Add much needed high volume shooting off the bench (Grimes had a down year but in his 2 first seasons he was a 38% shooter on 5 attempts per game) while creating the room to re-sign DJJ.
Maybe too light for Detroit? Has Dallas to give up TOR 2nd too?


It's wishful thinking to believe that teams will want our garbage for nothing. Probably won't even get Grimes or Johnson for it alone and Johnson hasn't played over 66 ganes in his career. It's been several seasons since he played 66 games but his value is still high since he's so good.

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#732 » by ACMFFL » Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:07 pm

HMFFL wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:What about:

BOS [out: #30; #54]
26 DAL 1st swap
#58 (via DAL)

BRK [out: CamJ]
Green
Kleber
top10 protected 25 DAL 1st

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)

DET [out: Grimes]
Hardaway
Exum
#30 (via BOS)
25 DAL 2nd
worst of 28 CHA/LAC 2nd

•then we have enough space under the 1st apron to throw MLE money at DJJ.
•draft a guard at #54.

Gaff / Lively / Powell
PJ / CamJ / Morris
DJJ / Grimes / OMax
Kai / Hardy / Lawson
Doncic / min vet / #54

Add much needed high volume shooting off the bench (Grimes had a down year but in his 2 first seasons he was a 38% shooter on 5 attempts per game) while creating the room to re-sign DJJ.
Maybe too light for Detroit? Has Dallas to give up TOR 2nd too?


It's wishful thinking to believe that teams will want our garbage for nothing. Probably won't even get Grimes or Johnson for it alone and Johnson hasn't played over 66 ganes in his career. It's been several seasons since he played 66 games but his value is still high since he's so good.

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)


Garbage is a stretch, 1 FRP + taking a flier on Josh is fair value for CamJ in my opinion considering how much money he makes. I wouldnt give up anything more than that even if we had more assets available.
CamJ is an overpaid shooter with questionable defense, in fact he would start off the bench in Dallas, just saying..

Grimes alone is more valuable than all that? Uhm wat?
In what world is he worth more than 1 FRP + 1 unprotected swap + 2 SRP? Yeah they are giving up a good chunk of their capspace but let's not act like Grimes is that valuable, I mean at the last TDL he was moved for expiring Bojan and Burks and his stocks went down in the meanwhile with also less team control.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#733 » by tleikheen » Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:57 pm

[quoteArchx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:
Archx wrote:

I'm reading just now that Mavs have interests in Durant :lol: There is no way this is true....

On the more realistic side, Nets are apparently having a fire sell, basically almost everyone is available.



Shroeder, Claxton, Cam Johnson are intriguing....Schroeder is probably the most realistic one,they wanna keep Claxton(unless someone overpays...maybe OKC) ...and as for Cam, I wouldn't give up more than 2025 first and THJ-Maxi for him...

Ideal trade would have been:

THJ,Maxi,Green,Powell/Exum +25 first for Schroeder,Cam Johnson


I would hate losing Exum. He's incredibly cheap and valuable.


Valuable in the regular season,he was useless in the playoffs,like THJ...Schroeder would have been an upgrade at PG position][/quote]

Blaming Exum for JKidds coaching incompetance in not seeing Dallas played better with a 3rd guard playing with Luka and Kyrie is not Exum's fault. Exum shot 7/10 FG's & 4/6 3's with 2 3's taken away against Boston yet got benched everytime he made a basket . Those shooting numbers were desperately needed by a team that couldn'tr score .
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#734 » by BliscoSantos » Wed Jun 26, 2024 8:10 pm

tleikheen wrote:[quoteArchx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:
Archx wrote:

I'm reading just now that Mavs have interests in Durant :lol: There is no way this is true....

On the more realistic side, Nets are apparently having a fire sell, basically almost everyone is available.



Shroeder, Claxton, Cam Johnson are intriguing....Schroeder is probably the most realistic one,they wanna keep Claxton(unless someone overpays...maybe OKC) ...and as for Cam, I wouldn't give up more than 2025 first and THJ-Maxi for him...

Ideal trade would have been:

THJ,Maxi,Green,Powell/Exum +25 first for Schroeder,Cam Johnson


I would hate losing Exum. He's incredibly cheap and valuable.


Valuable in the regular season,he was useless in the playoffs,like THJ...Schroeder would have been an upgrade at PG position]


Blaming Exum for JKidds coaching incompetance in not seeing Dallas played better with a 3rd guard playing with Luka and Kyrie is not Exum's fault. Exum shot 7/10 FG's & 4/6 3's with 2 3's taken away against Boston yet got benched everytime he made a basket . Those shooting numbers were desperately needed by a team that couldn'tr score .[/quote]

Just because he had one good game in the finals(in limited minutes) doesn't change the fact that he was completely different Player than in the regular season...what about the series against LAC, OKC and MIN,how did he do?? He was a huge letdown in the playoffs, that's why his minutes went down
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#735 » by HMFFL » Wed Jun 26, 2024 8:48 pm

ACMFFL wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:What about:

BOS [out: #30; #54]
26 DAL 1st swap
#58 (via DAL)

BRK [out: CamJ]
Green
Kleber
top10 protected 25 DAL 1st

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)

DET [out: Grimes]
Hardaway
Exum
#30 (via BOS)
25 DAL 2nd
worst of 28 CHA/LAC 2nd

•then we have enough space under the 1st apron to throw MLE money at DJJ.
•draft a guard at #54.

Gaff / Lively / Powell
PJ / CamJ / Morris
DJJ / Grimes / OMax
Kai / Hardy / Lawson
Doncic / min vet / #54

Add much needed high volume shooting off the bench (Grimes had a down year but in his 2 first seasons he was a 38% shooter on 5 attempts per game) while creating the room to re-sign DJJ.
Maybe too light for Detroit? Has Dallas to give up TOR 2nd too?


It's wishful thinking to believe that teams will want our garbage for nothing. Probably won't even get Grimes or Johnson for it alone and Johnson hasn't played over 66 ganes in his career. It's been several seasons since he played 66 games but his value is still high since he's so good.

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)


Garbage is a stretch, 1 FRP + taking a flier on Josh is fair value for CamJ in my opinion considering how much money he makes. I wouldnt give up anything more than that even if we had more assets available.
CamJ is an overpaid shooter with questionable defense, in fact he would start off the bench in Dallas, just saying..

Grimes alone is more valuable than all that? Uhm wat?
In what world is he worth more than 1 FRP + 1 unprotected swap + 2 SRP? Yeah they are giving up a good chunk of their capspace but let's not act like Grimes is that valuable, I mean at the last TDL he was moved for expiring Bojan and Burks and his stocks went down in the meanwhile with also less team control.


It's been well known that teams aren't trading Grimes for less than a future first or pick swap. Johnsons going to have similar value unless you want to throw in five or more second round picks in a package.

Yes, garabge, is what THJ, and Kleber are at this point in their careers.

Your trade proposal is good for Dallas but not the rest of the team's.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#736 » by ACMFFL » Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:02 pm

HMFFL wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
It's wishful thinking to believe that teams will want our garbage for nothing. Probably won't even get Grimes or Johnson for it alone and Johnson hasn't played over 66 ganes in his career. It's been several seasons since he played 66 games but his value is still high since he's so good.

DAL [out: Thj + Green + Kleber + Exum + '25 FRP + 2 SRP + 1 swap]
Johnson
Grimes
#54 (via BOS)


Garbage is a stretch, 1 FRP + taking a flier on Josh is fair value for CamJ in my opinion considering how much money he makes. I wouldnt give up anything more than that even if we had more assets available.
CamJ is an overpaid shooter with questionable defense, in fact he would start off the bench in Dallas, just saying..

Grimes alone is more valuable than all that? Uhm wat?
In what world is he worth more than 1 FRP + 1 unprotected swap + 2 SRP? Yeah they are giving up a good chunk of their capspace but let's not act like Grimes is that valuable, I mean at the last TDL he was moved for expiring Bojan and Burks and his stocks went down in the meanwhile with also less team control.


It's been well known that teams aren't trading Grimes for less than a future first or pick swap. Johnsons going to have similar value unless you want to throw in five or more second round picks in a package.

Yes, garabge, is what THJ, and Kleber are at this point in their careers.

Your trade proposal is good for Dallas but not the rest of the team's.


Well known since when? Last February he was shipped to DET attached to the corpse of Fournier + 2 SRP for 35 years old Bojan and Burks.
Can you please explain how Grimes value went up since he moved to Detroit..? If anything it's the exact opposite.
Dude, expiring THJ and Kleber are just salary fillers; you have CamJ worth 1 FRP and that's how I valued him..
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

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Post#738 » by tleikheen » Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:27 pm

Dennis Lindsay drafted Exum and still followed Exum in the Euro League and was instrumental in bringing him to Dallas . Would he make a move to bring him to Detroit also in some kind of deal.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#739 » by BliscoSantos » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:02 pm

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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread 

Post#740 » by Maverick41 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:06 pm

Would think Brodgon is even more gettable with him in WAS now. Poor guy needs to be freed from tanking teams.

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