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2024 Draft Thread - Part III

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#261 » by pancakes3 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:54 pm

nate33 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:If I'm San Antonio I might be tempted to go up a spot for Sarr. I know they want to get a strong guard in place, but Sarr/Wemby could be very problematic defensively for other teams and checks the box for Sarr to extend his range and work on his offense at the 4. There will be opportunities to get a guard through a variety of ways. Very difficult to get a switchable 7 footer with some shooting potential.

I don't see any way in the world that San Antonio would value Sarr more than we would. He is a luxury redundancy on a team that still needs scoring and guard play. So I just don't see the motivation necessary for them to move up.


If I'm SA and I'm trading to 2, it's to leapfrog HOU to secure Sheppard, not Sarr.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#262 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:08 pm

mhd wrote:If the Bulls dump LaVine and Danae bolts, we will be better than them IMO. I think Nets have zero intention of trying to win. We will easily be better than them. I’m worried about that 2026 pick. I’d offer what I can to increase the coverage so it never conveys.

Given the tight salary situation in New York, I'm hoping we can absorb a bad contract in exchange for taking back that protected pick we owe. Even if we tank successfully and that pick never would have conveyed, it will still turn into two decent SRP's so there is real value in recovering the pick.

Unfortunately, we don't have a TPE big enough for Robinson's contract. We could absorb Milton's $5M deal, but that's about it. Maybe we can trade Davis and filler to form the smallest possible salary necessary to match Robinson's incoming. (And then we flip Robinson.)
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#263 » by Upperclass » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:14 pm

2024 Intriguing Wizards Draft Prospects (Not in any particular order):

Bobi Klintman – Reminds me of Dorian Finney Smith/Dante Cunningham/Kuzma in play style); Likes: High energy, smooth, handles easily with either hand, active hands, uses his moderate length well, moves around the court like a much smaller player, very good form and follow through on his Jumper, looks to pass when possible, finishes strong through contact and maintains balance ; Dislikes: not a scorer or shooter, but projects to become a much more effortless scorer in the NBA game with his activity, not a plus athlete, nor an above the rim one, nor a rim deterrent, almost strictly plugged in as a 4 vs a 5, could play 3 in some lineups; appears to be a top 10 type of talent in this draft imo.

Tristan da Silva - Reminds of Franz Wagner/Mike Dunleavy Jr. Likes: Smart player, plus shooter, good vision ; Dislikes: Average wingspan, not an above the rim athlete; He wont, but should be a top 5, maybe top 3 selection in this draft imo. Seems like the type of player every team could use.

Stephon Castle - Reminds me of Terance Mann/Cam Whitmore/Bruce Brown; Likes: Constantly in motion, fluid athlete with quick hands and thinks quickly ; Dislikes: No offensive game outside of backdoor cuts, doesn’t have a plus handle or jumpshot--his archetype is usually a strong bench player vs a consistent starting player. Would be best paired with a shooter that allows him space to drive and cut, vs a driver that can shoot. Doesn’t fit

Donovan Clingan - Reminds me of pre-injury Ilgauskas; Likes: Footwork, frame, solid base, hands, touch, smart and aware on D ; Dislikes: Foot speed, not a reliable lob threat, needs to get stronger/more aggressive on O

Ryan Dunn - Reminds me of Jalen Johnson, younger Jerami Grant; Not sure how he isnt consensus rated Top 20, and closer to top 10 in this draft. Likes: Sees the game well, plays with force, plays much larger than 6'7, good defensive instincts, good, quick hands, strong passer (but not great vision), good but inconsistent form on J ; Dislikes: Cant handle, cant create, can’t shoot, strictly a finisher who will need a good setup man


Tristen Newton
– Reminds me of Austin Reaves/Lonzo Ball/Spencer Dinwiddie; Likes: Crafty guard who can get by most defenders using angles and change of pace, knows when to drive, when to pass and cut, when to step back, seems to always make the right play and doesn’t ball pound, solid defender that can cause turnovers with disruptive hands, can be a steady starting PG with skill development and coaching but will also need a better handling 2 or 3 in the lineup ; Dislikes: Doesn’t play with constant aggression (maybe due to the style of UCONN O), more of a do-everything glue guy than a flat-out playmaker or scorer, likely won't ever be a plus shooter but should be good enough to maintain floor spacing and can also get to the rim and above it. Overall should be considered a Top 20 pick fairly easily. He knows to play at any pace and can keep a team afloat with his actions defensively and with his ability to pick his spots offensively. Would be an interesting starting combo guard at some point.

Pacome Dadiet – Reminds me of Tobias Harris, Chandler Parsons – Likes: Appears to move fluidly, have plus length, good court awareness offensively, good to great shooting potential, uses size defensively on similar sized players but feet are a bit slow/heavy ; Dislikes: Not quick off the bounce, not an above the rim player, unlikely to be a great rebounder from his spot but could be good, should grow into a Smallball 4, but will take some time to figure out his game

Jared McCain – (Doesn’t have a great current nba comp), but reminds me of Jarret Jack, older Jarryd Bayless, somewhat of Fred Van Vleet. Likes: One of the best scorers in the draft, crafty at the rim despite limited athleticism, knows how to get defenders off balance and has a fairly quick release, should be one of the best shooters in the NBA, can defend on-ball very well and has better strength and lateral quickness on D than he does on O. Will be best deployed in a tall lineup with a 2 that can drive to the hoop, or playing the 2 on O with an SGA or Giddey type at 1. ; Dislikes: Not a traditional point, vision is just ok, will be one of the worst athletes at his position nightly, seems prone to taking wild shots but seems to make them at a good clip consistently. Doesn’t fit with current Wiz guards, but with his scoring ability and heady play, would make for a fun replacement for the projected starter at some point.

Nikola Djurisic – Reminds me of Evan Fournier/ Evan Turner; Likes: Athletic off the bounce, very good leaper, plays with a good pace, and seems to have pretty good hoops IQ, like a lot of players in this draft, cuts well off ball and can catch lobs with ease, consistent form on his catch n shoot jumper, can create for himself and others vs non-ace defenders; big enough wing to use his size to hold off defenders on drives ; Dislikes: plays Luka-ish, without Luka’s size or talent, slow feet will be an issue on defense, not a plus shooter or passer or driver, but do all fairly well, his jumper is streaky, athletic but not a true leaper and doesn’t have much length to bother wings on D or play small ball 4; could endup a starting 2/3 for a number of years once his jumper gains polish. Fits well at 2 for the Wiz, and has plenty of time to tightup his game. Doesn’t fit well with the current Wiz stars (Poole/Kuzma), but does fit well with the prospective 3/4 in Bilal and Deni.

Jonathan Mogbo
– Reminds me of Jason Maxiell/ Montrezl Harrell ; Likes: Huge strong hands, extremely fast and powerful leaper, long arms, good enough touch around the rim, able to make quick decisions on pass vs drive, good passer for a non-offensive player and very good vision, should be a very good offensive rebounder, wrecks havoc on the floor with his size and energy, plays defense with his body and length ; Dislikes: Reaches a lot on larger players in the post which leads to foul trouble, has potential to handle in traffic but wont be able to put the ball in the floor in the halfcourt right away, may not have a role on offense in the half court initially outside of putbacks, quick cuts and lobs, no jumper, can defend on the wing but may have trouble in the post on switches; More than any other player pegged to go in round 2.. he seems the most interesting with his unique skillset.. He has some Draymond to him and wouldn’t be surprised if he’s at the top of every teams 2nd round board/also wouldn’t be surprised if he goes 20-30.

Ulrich Chomche
– too raw to comp; Likes: Looks like a huge kid that may still be growing. Plenty of tools to work with physically and athletically, also has consistent form on his jumper. ; Dislikes: Moves like a baby deer and easily knocked off his spot it seems. May not be ready until its time for a 2nd contract.. which seems like a draft & stash. Looks more Ibaka than Caboclo but likely somewhere in between.

Tyler Smith – Trey Murphy/Obi Toppin; Likes: Will be a knockdown shooter in the league off catch n shoot, can also play above the rim, catch putbacks, block shots, rim run and take a one dribble pullup, fairly good passer, good hands, huge player and rare run/jump/shoot athlete at his size ; Dislikes: zero defense, minimal defensive awareness and slow to react, below average handle, not much burst off the bounce, an ok passer not a good one; Probably doesn’t fit on a team like the Wiz unless a Tyus Jones type was at the point. Would perform well at PF and small ball 5 (offensively) with a good setup man in PnR. Another guy who should go top 10-15 in a redraft two years from now.


Players who aren’t a great fit:

Alex Sarr – Plays much smaller than his 7’1 size, to be a guard or wing in the NBA at that size, you have to have a skillset that’s polished and fits that role.. otherwise you end up with a big guy who cant play in the post or wing effectively.

Reed Sheppard – Should be a knockdown shooter and good enough defender, but needs a specific situation to thrive in the league due to his limitations has a handler.

Rob Dillingham – Same as Reed, too small to defend, who be able to finish in the paint effectively and not a true PG.

Cody Williams – He’s just not an NBA player imo. Doesn’t do anything at an NBA level and doesn’t have the frame of his brother.

Devin Carter – Would be happy to be wrong on him, but he reminds me of Gary Payton II. He’s athletic but not quick or creative with the ball and isn’t a great passer. He’s like a tiny Draymond in some ways which could work, but in most lineups he will be an immediate liability once he fits the floor and cant shoot or drive like a Jrue or Derrick White.

Matas Buzelis – I like his skillset, I just don’t think it works for his frame and he’s not overly talented nor athletic enough and cant shoot at all and in a league that is built on turnovers and shot making.. he may have trouble finding a role. Reminds of Vesely, Poku, Vrenz etc.

Dalton Knecht – Would still potentially take him top 10-15.. but he isn’t a handler, isn’t a pure shooter, isn’t a creator, isn’t a defender, cant force turnovers and isn’t a “strong” guard, moreso wiry. He fits the archetype of a modern SG, but he could just be Moody from GSW or Pat Connaughton.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#264 » by Tyrone Messby » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:19 pm

Really hope Kuzma is no longer on the roster by tomorrow. It’ll be the Deni World Tour next season with him gone.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#265 » by Upperclass » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:25 pm

FWIW I think the Wiz should draft Clingan if they stand pat, Da Silva if they trade down, Klintman with the 2nd first, and Newton (if he falls that far), and trade/buy back in for Mogbo.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#266 » by dckingsfan » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:32 pm

FYI: 2024 NBA Draft kicks off at 8 p.m. EST
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#267 » by dckingsfan » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:35 pm

nate33 wrote:
mhd wrote:If the Bulls dump LaVine and Danae bolts, we will be better than them IMO. I think Nets have zero intention of trying to win. We will easily be better than them. I’m worried about that 2026 pick. I’d offer what I can to increase the coverage so it never conveys.

Given the tight salary situation in New York, I'm hoping we can absorb a bad contract in exchange for taking back that protected pick we owe. Even if we tank successfully and that pick never would have conveyed, it will still turn into two decent SRP's so there is real value in recovering the pick.

Unfortunately, we don't have a TPE big enough for Robinson's contract. We could absorb Milton's $5M deal, but that's about it. Maybe we can trade Davis and filler to form the smallest possible salary necessary to match Robinson's incoming. (And then we flip Robinson.)

One thought. We could add one of our expiring contracts. That would reduce their payroll one year earlier...
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#268 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:39 pm

Upperclass wrote:Ryan Dunn - Reminds me of Jalen Johnson, younger Jerami Grant; Not sure how he isnt consensus rated Top 20, and closer to top 10 in this draft. Likes: Sees the game well, plays with force, plays much larger than 6'7, good defensive instincts, good, quick hands, strong passer (but not great vision), good but inconsistent form on J ; Dislikes: Cant handle, cant create, can’t shoot, strictly a finisher who will need a good setup man.

Sorry to bust on you, but I thought this was pretty funny. Kinda answered your own question, didn't you?

Seriously though, the obvious issue with Dunn is that he isn't just a bad shooter, he is terrifyingly bad. His FT% of just .532 for goodness sake! He is going to be completely unplayable on offense unless maybe he is on a team with a stretch 5 and 3 other good shooters so he can hang around in the dunker's spot.

He's a great defender so I can see a team taking a flyer on him late in the first round, but he is most likely a situational bench player unless that shot comes around. And 53% FT% says it probably won't come around.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#269 » by doclinkin » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:54 pm

payitforward wrote:1. Castle posted a .551 TS% in his Freshman year. On 22% usage. No, that is not bad. So, no, he is not inept at putting the ball in the bucket.
2. Overall, Castle's numbers as a Freshman were quite good. Except for shooting they were absolutely terrific.

Given that we are not going to draft Stephon Castle at #1, why is he getting this level of attention in this thread?


The hope that we can induce the Spurs to jump to #2 for the #4 and #8.

#2 trade down.
On the unlikely premise that the Spurs want one of Risacher or Sarr, and the Hawks don't work the same trade.
Or they do and we snag Clingan just to blow up their trade and force both teams to deal with us.

Then:
(#4 Castle)
(#8 Edey)

Otherwise:
#2 Damn. Castle anyway. Or Sheppard.

(#13) Kuzma trade? Edey, McCain.
#26 KJ Simpson, Dadiet, Jaylon Tyson, Djurisic, Chomche, Kevin McCullar,
#51 Trentyn Flowers, Ariel Hukporti, Bronny James as trade capital.

Based on what's available in the Consensus Mock:

https://www.nbamockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2024/consensus-mock-draft-2024
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#270 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:58 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
nate33 wrote:
mhd wrote:If the Bulls dump LaVine and Danae bolts, we will be better than them IMO. I think Nets have zero intention of trying to win. We will easily be better than them. I’m worried about that 2026 pick. I’d offer what I can to increase the coverage so it never conveys.

Given the tight salary situation in New York, I'm hoping we can absorb a bad contract in exchange for taking back that protected pick we owe. Even if we tank successfully and that pick never would have conveyed, it will still turn into two decent SRP's so there is real value in recovering the pick.

Unfortunately, we don't have a TPE big enough for Robinson's contract. We could absorb Milton's $5M deal, but that's about it. Maybe we can trade Davis and filler to form the smallest possible salary necessary to match Robinson's incoming. (And then we flip Robinson.)

One thought. We could add one of our expiring contracts. That would reduce their payroll one year earlier...


I wonder if they're looking to roll in a Robinson cap-relief trade with a Kuzma trade in a 3-way deal? Something like:

New York trades:
Wizards protected 2026 FRP
Mitchell Robinson

New York receives:
nothing

Washington trades:
Kuzma
TPE

Washington receives:
Mitchell Robinson
Picks from Third Team
Our protected pick back from NY
Filler contract(s) from Third Team including one smaller than our $12.3M TPE

Third Team trades:
Picks
Filler contracts including one smaller than $12.3M

Third Team receives:
Kuzma
Wizards $12.3M TPE

Even better would be to involve a fourth team and send Mitchell Robinson there for more pick capital.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#271 » by Frichuela » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:52 pm

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Post#272 » by tontoz » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:59 pm

Risacher at 1 is a best case scenario for us. We will get a lot of calls from teams looking to trade up for Clingan or Sarr.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#273 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:03 pm

I'm also really happy to get Sarr without the pressure of him being the #1 pick. Not to mention that the #2 pick is about $1.5M a year cheaper than the #1 pick.

This is even better than landing the #1 overall pick in the lottery.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#274 » by Dat2U » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:17 pm

[quote="Dat2U"]Final Tier list for 2024 Draft

No Tiers 1 or 2:
Tier 3 - Solid starters with all-star potential
3.1 FC Alex Sarr
3.2 PG Rob Dillingham
3.3 SF Ron Holland

Tier 4 - Solid role players with potential to start
4.4 CE Zach Edey
4.5 PG Isaiah Collier
4.6 SG Reed Sheppard
4.7 CE Donovan Clingan

Tier 5 - Rotation guys with potential to be solid role players
5.8 PG Jared McCain
5.9 PF Matas Buzelis
5.10 SF Zaccharie Risacher
5.11 FC Daron Holmes II
5.12 CE Kel'el Ware
5.13 SG Jaylon Tyson
5.14 GF Nikola Djurisic
5 15 PG Nikola Topic
5.16 SG Pacome Dadiet
5.17 SF Cody Williams
5.18 PG Carlton Carrington
5.19 SF Johnny Furphy
6.20 SG Ja'Kobe Walter
6.21 CE Yves Missi
6.22 SG Stephon Castle

Tier 6 - End of bench types with potential to be rotation level players
6.23 SG Terrence Shannon Jr
6.24 PF Tristan Da Silva
6.25 SG Devin Carter
6.26 SF Dalton Knecht
6.27 PF Kyle Filipowski
6.28 PG Tyler Kolek
6.29 PF Tidjane Salaun
6.30 GF Kyshawn George
6.31 PG Ajay Mitchell

Tier 7 - Developmental types/Two-way contract types
7.32 SF Dillon Jones
7.33 PG K.J. Simpson
7.34 PF Tyler Smith
7.35 SG Trentyn Flowers
7.36 PF Bobi Klintman
7.37 SG Cameron Christie
7.38 SF Baylor Scheierman
7.39 GF Melvin Ajinca
7.40 GF Jaylen Wells
7.41 SF Jalen Bridges
7.42 SG Trey Alexander
7.43 SF Isaiah Crawford
7.44 PG Juan Nunez
7.45 SF Ryan Dunn
7.46 PF Armel Traore
7.47 GF Justin Edwards
7.48 SF Kevin McCullar Jr
7.49 PF Keshad Johnson
7.50 SG Antonio Reeves
7.51 PG Tristen Newton
7.52 PF Enrique Freeman
7.53 CE Adem Bona
7.54 SF Harrison Ingram

Tier 8 - Exhibit 10s/G-League
7.55 CE N'Faly Dante
7.56 PF Jaedon Ladee
7.57 PG Reece Beekman
7.58 SF Riley Minix
7.59 CE Ulrich Chomche
7.60 FC Jonathan Mogbo
7.61 PF Issac Jones
7.62 SG Pelle Larsson
7.63 SF Cam Spencer
7.64 PG Jamal Shead
7.65 CE Oso Ighodaro
7.66 FC P.J. Hall
7.67 PG Zyon Pullin
7.68 CE Ariel Hukporti
7.69 PG Judah Mintz
7.70 SG Bronny James
7.71 SG A.J. Johnson
7.72 CE Quinten Post
7.73 PF Anton Watson
7.74 PF Dylan Disu
7.75 SG Mantas Rubstavicius
7.76 PF Jaylin Williams
7.77 PG Quinn Ellis
7.78 PF Nae'Qwan Tomlin
7.79 PG Boogie Ellis
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#275 » by AFM » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:28 pm

I’m in France right now but my sleep schedule is all f’d up so maybe I’ll be awake when the draft happens 2 AM here. Either way I’m sure tomorrow we’ll have a lot to talk about god speed gentlemen
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Post#276 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:29 pm

Dat2U, what is your assessment of KJ Simpson? He looks pretty damn good to me. He is short, but with an almost 6-5 wingspan, a stocky frame, and the fastest lane agility in the draft class, he should hold up as well defensively as most of the other guards in this class. Offensively, he looks to me like the most complete PG of the group. Dillingham is the only one that approaches him in both efficiency and usage:

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Post#277 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:38 pm

Rafael122 wrote:...do you call San Antonio and swap 2 for 4 and 8?...

You call & talk about a deal, but no one is giving you the 8th pick in the draft to move up couple of spots from 4 to 2.

These guys are professionals; they don't fall in love with prospects....
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#278 » by Dat2U » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:41 pm

nate33 wrote:Dat2U, what is your assessment of KJ Simpson? He looks pretty damn good to me. He is short, but with an almost 6-5 wingspan, a stocky frame, and the fastest lane agility in the draft class, he should hold up as well defensively as most of the other guards in this class. Offensively, he looks to me like the most complete PG of the group. Dillingham is the only one that approaches him in both efficiency and usage:

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I think he's alot like Devin Carter just a bit shorter. I don't think he's a true PG but more of combo who can play on or off the ball. I think he has the frame to hold up defensively. He should go late first or early 2nd.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#279 » by Dat2U » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:44 pm

This feels like the Anthony Bennett draft. I would not be shocked if Atlanta stuns the world.

I'm also going to laugh if Zach Edey turns out to be the Giannis-like steal that dominates and puts up 20 & 10 every night.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part III 

Post#280 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:50 pm

Dat2U wrote:I think he's alot like Devin Carter just a bit shorter. I don't think he's a true PG but more of combo who can play on or off the ball. I think he has the frame to hold up defensively. He should go late first or early 2nd.

I like him more than Carter because he has a pull-up 3-point shot off the bounce whereas Carter is mostly just catch-and-shoot. Carter is really just a SG where as Simpson is a combo guard. And combo guards typically can learn the PG role over time.

I think Simpson has a real shot at being a starting PG in this league. Not an All-Star guy or anything, but a Mike Conley/VanVleet/Quickley tier PG, with a small chance of having a Brunson type of breakout if things break right.

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