2024 NBA Draft Thread, part 2 – (June 26 & 27)

[Dogen]

How does it happen, that the 2nd Round is more exciting that the 1st?
This is so weird.

'Cuz Oso

[SLCceltic]

My guess - Boston trades their two picks for future picks, and don't actually take anybody in this draft.
They might even trade next year's picks as well for better future picks.
I just don't see anybody being taken either this year or next that has a chance of getting any playing time. Why not instead set yourself up for better picks in the future.

Because we need to actively develop cost effective young talent that can play to keep the window open with Tatum/Brown.

The thing is, we already have some really good young talent who are doing just that. I don't see them realistically adding any more young talent who will most likely not get a reasonable chance to play outside of Maine in the next few years, when it's hard enough trying to get that time for who we already have.
I just think it would be better to focus on the 2 or 3 young guys who are trying so hard to get playing time now. Keep developing the the guys we already have by giving them more floor time and instead trade these picks for better picks down the road. If 2 or 3 late 1st round and mid-to-late second round picks can be traded for a future mid 1st round, then to me it's a much better use of those picks.

Brad needs to hit the ground running, esp with regard to potential Horford/Houser/KPbackup replacements AND for any other high quality low-cost depth pieces ! The Draft is the only way for us to really do anything. Minimum FA contracts are not going to get the job done.

And this Draft is unique in that Picks 10-40 all have about the same potential. I can't really remember a Draft where this was the case. I will be very VERY surprised if Brad punts on this Draft. Wouldn't be surprised at aLL if Brad moves up for someone that slides.

Anyone drafted needs time before they can be trusted to play, and we are running out of time, esp with bigAL who has 1-2 yrs remaining TOPs

[Dogen]

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This is a super cool graphic. I'd sort of like to see 2nd and 3rd place at each slot, too.

Maybe Jaylon Tyson is the next Jimmy Butler?

[Dogen]

Kobe in a narrow victory over Kelly O for best 13th Pick...

Latrell Sprewell looking at Sabonis @24: "Dude barely played!"

[Hal14]

Idk I feel like that's underselling Scheierman's versatility a bit.

Eg Scheierman 24% career Dreb%, 20% Ast%, Sam was 19.2%/13% respectively.

I think Scheierman is a much more creative ball handler and passer, prob stronger, while not being quite the shooter Hauser is.

So what are you gonna do, give Hauser's minutes to Scheierman, even while Hauser is still on the team and just played a big role in helping you win the championship?

I'm not sure they can share the floor together - maybe, I could be wrong.

Bottom line, Hauser has issues on defense sometimes. And Scheierman is worse defensively than Hauser.

Both of them are lacking in strength, quickness, athleticism and defense (although Hauser of course has developed into a solid defender but still does have issues on that end at times). They are both also very limited in terms of creating their own shot and getting to the rim (Scheierman had an extremely low FTr over the past couple yrs at Creighton).

Plus our bench unit has Pritchard (lacking in size, athleticism and has issues on D sometimes), Kornet (lacking in athleticism, quickness, strength) and Horford (lacking in athleticism)..all of them are limited in terms of creating their own shot/collapsing a defense.

Scheirman is a very good prospect. He's 21 on my big board. But I don't love the fit here in Boston, due to the other personel we have coming off our bench. Think there's some redundancy..and too many guys who are limited in terms of quickness/athleticism/defense/strength/shot creation..

Then again, maybe they just use him as another weapon off the bench for a wing shooter..for added depth..and then in a year or 2 if Hauser is gone, then you slide Scheierman into the spot - if that happens, Scheierman could *really* thrive..and then you've got a a guy on a cheap rookie contract possibly giving you comparable production to Hauser..who at that point, might be making like $15 mil a year. And then Brad is looking like a genius if he's got Scheierman over here hitting shots, making slick passes and only making like $3 mil a year.

I think the argument for Scheierman would be something like this: You sign Hauser to en extension, you play next year with both guys, then summer of 2025 when Hauser's extension kicks in you trade him for draft capital while already having a decent placement on roster.

Lets say Hauser's contract extension starts at 14 million in 2025. The c's will be in the repeater tax, and those rates are EXTREME. If the C's are 20 million into the tax like they are now they would pay almost 90 million IN TAX FOR HAUSER ALONE on a 14 million dollar deal.

Yup. That scenario does make sense. You have year 1 with both of them (in case Scheirman isn't ready for rotation mins in year 1..after all, Hauser, Duncan Robinson and Strus didn't get rotation mins until year 2)

Then once Hauser becomes too expensive..trade him, and you have Scheierman ready to contribute in year 2 at a fraction of the cost.

It could work..but it still could be awkward during that first year, with Hauser playing the season and basically knowing that we just drafted his replacement and he has to play the whole season with his replacement on the team..after he just helped us win a title.

But I'm sure Hauser would be a professional about it and know it's just business.

[phincsfan]

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So, we’re trading back. Thanks. Ugh dumb day 2 NBA!!!

Guys, they might very well trade back. But there's no way this is indicative of that, becasue they could not possibly know right now whether they'll be trading back or not. Any trade they might make would be dependent on how the draft falls, both for the Celtics but in terms of what other teams might give up. These trades are often very dependent on how the board actually shakes out.

More likely they are simply waiting until the draft concludes to talk about the draft.

They may have spoken to a few agents and were already told there's promises in place. I'd rather they stick to their guns and not reach for a bpa. Maybe 30 turns into two 2nd's?

30 for 34 and 40 (unlikely)
30 for 35 and 48 (possible)
30 for 36 and 49 or 50 (possible)

[keevsnick1]

So what are you gonna do, give Hauser's minutes to Scheierman, even while Hauser is still on the team and just played a big role in helping you win the championship?

I'm not sure they can share the floor together - maybe, I could be wrong.

Bottom line, Hauser has issues on defense sometimes. And Scheierman is worse defensively than Hauser.

Both of them are lacking in strength, quickness, athleticism and defense (although Hauser of course has developed into a solid defender but still does have issues on that end at times). They are both also very limited in terms of creating their own shot and getting to the rim (Scheierman had an extremely low FTr over the past couple yrs at Creighton).

Plus our bench unit has Pritchard (lacking in size, athleticism and has issues on D sometimes), Kornet (lacking in athleticism, quickness, strength) and Horford (lacking in athleticism)..all of them are limited in terms of creating their own shot/collapsing a defense.

Scheirman is a very good prospect. He's 21 on my big board. But I don't love the fit here in Boston, due to the other personel we have coming off our bench. Think there's some redundancy..and too many guys who are limited in terms of quickness/athleticism/defense/strength/shot creation..

Then again, maybe they just use him as another weapon off the bench for a wing shooter..for added depth..and then in a year or 2 if Hauser is gone, then you slide Scheierman into the spot - if that happens, Scheierman could *really* thrive..and then you've got a a guy on a cheap rookie contract possibly giving you comparable production to Hauser..who at that point, might be making like $15 mil a year. And then Brad is looking like a genius if he's got Scheierman over here hitting shots, making slick passes and only making like $3 mil a year.

I think the argument for Scheierman would be something like this: You sign Hauser to en extension, you play next year with both guys, then summer of 2025 when Hauser's extension kicks in you trade him for draft capital while already having a decent placement on roster.

Lets say Hauser's contract extension starts at 14 million in 2025. The c's will be in the repeater tax, and those rates are EXTREME. If the C's are 20 million into the tax like they are now they would pay almost 90 million IN TAX FOR HAUSER ALONE on a 14 million dollar deal.

Yup. That scenario does make sense. You have year 1 with both of them (in case Scheirman isn't ready for rotation mins in year 1..after all, Hauser, Duncan Robinson and Strus didn't get rotation mins until year 2)

Then once Hauser becomes too expensive..trade him, and you have Scheierman ready to contribute in year 2 at a fraction of the cost.

It could work..but it still could be awkward during that first year, with Hauser playing the season and basically knowing that we just drafted his replacement and he has to play the whole season with his replacement on the team..after he just helped us win a title.

But I'm sure Hauser would be a professional about it and know it's just business.

ya, it could be awkward for sure. I think giving him the extension this summer so he knows his future contract is secure makes it easier to stomach.

But ya, the repeater tax is the exact reaosn they have to start developing guys. They need some cheap, long term controlled players to hit because if some do it could save them 10's of millions of dollars in future tax payments by shipping out their higher salary guys and replacing that production with the young guys.

[keevsnick1]

So, we’re trading back. Thanks. Ugh dumb day 2 NBA!!!

Guys, they might very well trade back. But there's no way this is indicative of that, becasue they could not possibly know right now whether they'll be trading back or not. Any trade they might make would be dependent on how the draft falls, both for the Celtics but in terms of what other teams might give up. These trades are often very dependent on how the board actually shakes out.

More likely they are simply waiting until the draft concludes to talk about the draft.

They may have spoken to a few agents and were already told there's promises in place. I'd rather they stick to their guns and not reach for a bpa. Maybe 30 turns into two 2nd's?

30 for 34 and 40 (unlikely)
30 for 35 and 48 (possible)
30 for 36 and 49 or 50 (possible)

Any of those trades would still be be contingent on who's available tho. You can have promises, that doesn't mean the board actually falls that way. It would be just generally not good practice to already have a deal agreed to before you know who is available.

The only one I'd do is the first one, i'd even throw in #54. So 30+54 for 34+40. Picks after 45 just so rarely work out, i don't value them that highly. And you heard Brad talk about in his press conference how the back end of the second round is a little thinner than past years.

But honestly the C's might prefer an early second and a future second rather than another second rounder in this draft, because it gives you trade ammo for later.

[Dogen]

I think the argument for Scheierman would be something like this: You sign Hauser to en extension, you play next year with both guys, then summer of 2025 when Hauser's extension kicks in you trade him for draft capital while already having a decent placement on roster.

Lets say Hauser's contract extension starts at 14 million in 2025. The c's will be in the repeater tax, and those rates are EXTREME. If the C's are 20 million into the tax like they are now they would pay almost 90 million IN TAX FOR HAUSER ALONE on a 14 million dollar deal.

Yup. That scenario does make sense. You have year 1 with both of them (in case Scheirman isn't ready for rotation mins in year 1..after all, Hauser, Duncan Robinson and Strus didn't get rotation mins until year 2)

Then once Hauser becomes too expensive..trade him, and you have Scheierman ready to contribute in year 2 at a fraction of the cost.

It could work..but it still could be awkward during that first year, with Hauser playing the season and basically knowing that we just drafted his replacement and he has to play the whole season with his replacement on the team..after he just helped us win a title.

But I'm sure Hauser would be a professional about it and know it's just business.

ya, it could be awkward for sure. I think giving him the extension this summer so he knows his future contract is secure makes it easier to stomach.

But ya, the repeater tax is the exact reaosn they have to start developing guys. They need some cheap, long term controlled players to hit because if some do it could save them 10's of millions of dollars in future tax payments by shipping out their higher salary guys and replacing that production with the young guys.

We talkin' Sam Hauser here? Sam Hauser? Undrafted Sam Hauser, who signed with the Celtics and the team helped him develop in his role as a shooting specialist, culminating in him having a championship ring on his finger after a few years in the league?

THAT Sam Hauser?

Well, thank you Sam, you've been a great team player, but we don't need to hear a peep about being butthurt from ANY role player on this team when a hot new prospect comes in. You are most welcome to stay, or use your newfound gravitas to get a nice bag elsewhere. You deserve it.

But Sam's new job as a Celtic is to focus on preserving his position by improving his game every day, and welcoming with open arms -- and full competitive spirit -- anyone challenging him for his position.

And don't forget to kiss Red's bronze forehead and thank your luck stars for making the decision to join this franchise, Sam. It is an honor, not a right, to don the green.

[Hal14]

I think the argument for Scheierman would be something like this: You sign Hauser to en extension, you play next year with both guys, then summer of 2025 when Hauser's extension kicks in you trade him for draft capital while already having a decent placement on roster.

Lets say Hauser's contract extension starts at 14 million in 2025. The c's will be in the repeater tax, and those rates are EXTREME. If the C's are 20 million into the tax like they are now they would pay almost 90 million IN TAX FOR HAUSER ALONE on a 14 million dollar deal.

Yup. That scenario does make sense. You have year 1 with both of them (in case Scheirman isn't ready for rotation mins in year 1..after all, Hauser, Duncan Robinson and Strus didn't get rotation mins until year 2)

Then once Hauser becomes too expensive..trade him, and you have Scheierman ready to contribute in year 2 at a fraction of the cost.

It could work..but it still could be awkward during that first year, with Hauser playing the season and basically knowing that we just drafted his replacement and he has to play the whole season with his replacement on the team..after he just helped us win a title.

But I'm sure Hauser would be a professional about it and know it's just business.

ya, it could be awkward for sure. I think giving him the extension this summer so he knows his future contract is secure makes it easier to stomach.

But ya, the repeater tax is the exact reaosn they have to start developing guys. They need some cheap, long term controlled players to hit because if some do it could save them 10's of millions of dollars in future tax payments by shipping out their higher salary guys and replacing that production with the young guys.

Exactly. He'll have that long term extension, at like $14 or $15 mil a year, he'll be happy. And he'll have a championship ring.

And even if we don't end up getting Scheirman (if he's off the board by 30 or if we trade out of the 1st round and he's off the board whenever we pick in 2nd round), you could still run that same playbook with another guy who could potentially develop into a decent wing off the bench (someone like Tyson, Shannon, Djurisic, Wells, Christie, Larsson, Furphy, McCullar..)

Or who knows, maybe Walsh will end up being that guy (bench wing who's ready to be in the rotation in 25-26) and we draft a big man instead..

[keevsnick1]

Yup. That scenario does make sense. You have year 1 with both of them (in case Scheirman isn't ready for rotation mins in year 1..after all, Hauser, Duncan Robinson and Strus didn't get rotation mins until year 2)

Then once Hauser becomes too expensive..trade him, and you have Scheierman ready to contribute in year 2 at a fraction of the cost.

It could work..but it still could be awkward during that first year, with Hauser playing the season and basically knowing that we just drafted his replacement and he has to play the whole season with his replacement on the team..after he just helped us win a title.

But I'm sure Hauser would be a professional about it and know it's just business.

ya, it could be awkward for sure. I think giving him the extension this summer so he knows his future contract is secure makes it easier to stomach.

But ya, the repeater tax is the exact reaosn they have to start developing guys. They need some cheap, long term controlled players to hit because if some do it could save them 10's of millions of dollars in future tax payments by shipping out their higher salary guys and replacing that production with the young guys.

Exactly. He'll have that long term extension, at like $14 or $15 mil a year, he'll be happy. And he'll have a championship ring.

And even if we don't end up getting Scheirman (if he's off the board by 30 or if we trade out of the 1st round and he's off the board whenever we pick in 2nd round), you could still run that same playbook with another guy who could potentially develop into a decent wing off the bench (someone like Tyson, Shannon, Djurisic, Wells, Christie, Larsson, Furphy..)

Or who knows, maybe Walsh will end up being that guy (bench wing who's ready to be in the rotation in 25-26) and we draft a big man instead..

Ya I'd prefer the big becasue horford/KP are a problem long term, but I wouldn't mind a wing either becasue although i like Walsh having two shots to develop a bench wing is certainly better than one.

[brackdan70]

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This is a super cool graphic. I'd sort of like to see 2nd and 3rd place at each slot, too.

Maybe Jaylon Tyson is the next Jimmy Butler?

Yeah after this year that list will change

[ConstableGeneva]

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[bisme37]

NBA TV mock draft has us taking Tyler Kolek at 30. Looks like a left-handed Pritchard to me, but they said he's more of a playmaker than PP is.

[meatball sub]

please dont draft a **** point guard

[SLCceltic]

So what are you gonna do, give Hauser's minutes to Scheierman, even while Hauser is still on the team and just played a big role in helping you win the championship?

I'm not sure they can share the floor together - maybe, I could be wrong.

Bottom line, Hauser has issues on defense sometimes. And Scheierman is worse defensively than Hauser.

Both of them are lacking in strength, quickness, athleticism and defense (although Hauser of course has developed into a solid defender but still does have issues on that end at times). They are both also very limited in terms of creating their own shot and getting to the rim (Scheierman had an extremely low FTr over the past couple yrs at Creighton).

Plus our bench unit has Pritchard (lacking in size, athleticism and has issues on D sometimes), Kornet (lacking in athleticism, quickness, strength) and Horford (lacking in athleticism)..all of them are limited in terms of creating their own shot/collapsing a defense.

Scheirman is a very good prospect. He's 21 on my big board. But I don't love the fit here in Boston, due to the other personel we have coming off our bench. Think there's some redundancy..and too many guys who are limited in terms of quickness/athleticism/defense/strength/shot creation..

Then again, maybe they just use him as another weapon off the bench for a wing shooter..for added depth..and then in a year or 2 if Hauser is gone, then you slide Scheierman into the spot - if that happens, Scheierman could *really* thrive..and then you've got a a guy on a cheap rookie contract possibly giving you comparable production to Hauser..who at that point, might be making like $15 mil a year. And then Brad is looking like a genius if he's got Scheierman over here hitting shots, making slick passes and only making like $3 mil a year.

I think the argument for Scheierman would be something like this: You sign Hauser to en extension, you play next year with both guys, then summer of 2025 when Hauser's extension kicks in you trade him for draft capital while already having a decent placement on roster.

Lets say Hauser's contract extension starts at 14 million in 2025. The c's will be in the repeater tax, and those rates are EXTREME. If the C's are 20 million into the tax like they are now they would pay almost 90 million IN TAX FOR HAUSER ALONE on a 14 million dollar deal.

Yup. That scenario does make sense. You have year 1 with both of them (in case Scheirman isn't ready for rotation mins in year 1..after all, Hauser, Duncan Robinson and Strus didn't get rotation mins until year 2)

Then once Hauser becomes too expensive..trade him, and you have Scheierman ready to contribute in year 2 at a fraction of the cost.

It could work..but it still could be awkward during that first year, with Hauser playing the season and basically knowing that we just drafted his replacement and he has to play the whole season with his replacement on the team..after he just helped us win a title.

But I'm sure Hauser would be a professional about it and know it's just business.

Agree.
This is why Brad nEEds to make a pick or 2 in this Draft. Any pick will need a little time. We likely only have Houser/productiveHorford for another year. Gotta get guys in here NOW

[Cuban Pete]

Portland has two mid to high 2nd rounders. 34 & 40. Wouldn't mind seeing Brad dealing down for those.

[Hal14]

NBA TV mock draft has us taking Tyler Kolek at 30. Looks like a left-handed Pritchard to me, but they said he's more of a playmaker than PP is.

Kolek's playmaking is *very* good..yes, he is more of a playmaker than Pritchard.

But his speed/agility numbers at the combine weren't great so I think Pritchard is quicker..and I think Pritchard has better handles and slightly better shooting.

I don't see it working with both of them on the same team.

But maybe you figure that Kolek uses year 1 as a development year (most of his mins in the g league)..and then by year 2 in 25-26 season, at that point you trade Pritchard to save $ since you'll have Kolek on a much cheaper contract ready for rotation mins..

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[Hal14]

Ok, just putting 2 and 2 together..looking at news from the past 24 hours:

-Porzingis getting surgery in next few days, will mis start of the season. Recovery time could be up to 6 months after surgery (which puts a return date around January)

-Rumors from B Robb that there's a good chance we'll trade out of the 1st round

So..if we need someone who can play some mins at the 5 (preferably an older prospect age 22+ who's more ready to contribute as a rookie) yet there's a good chance he will still be available in like the 31-45 range.

It's Enrique time!!

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Oh and we worked him out ahead of the draft this year - and last year too.

Get him, Brad.

Other bigs we could target in that range: Oso Ighodaro, Adem Bona, PJ Hall (we didn't work any of them out though..)