2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27

[Ron Swanson]

1. Alexandre Sarr
2. Ron Holland
3. Zaccharie Risacher
4. Jared McCain
5. Stephon Castle
6. Cody Williams
7. Devin Carter
8. Reed Sheppard
9. Dalton Knecht
10. Donovan Clingan
11. Nikola Topic
12. Isaiah Collier
13. Tidjane Salaun
14. Tristan Da Silva
15. Ryan Dunn
16. Carlton Carrington
17. Yves Missi
18. Matas Buzelis
19. Rob Dillingham
20. Kyshawn George
21. Jaylon Tyson
22. Kel'el Ware
23. Johnny Furphy
24. Terrence Shannon Jr.
25. Kyle Filipowski
26. Ulrich Chomche
27. Pacome Dadiet
28. Tyler Smith
29. DaRon Holmes
30. Ja'Kobe Walter

Dillon Jones was your dude! Am I imagining this?

I agonized over him and Walter for the last spot. He's the guy you grab at 33 though (or Scheierman).

[Ron Swanson]

The real shocker on that list is that someone has Dalton Knecht as the 109th best prospect in this class. Like, what?

[Ruben Quevedo]

If Edey is there at #23 (and he won't be) then the Bucks need to take him.

He's got an incredibly soft touch and great arm coordination for a big. I think he ends up sneaking into the top ten tonight.

In today's NBA he's not a 35mpg guy, but think he's a top 8 rotation guy that will give certain teams fits.

He's seen as a high floor low ceiling guy, but I don't really buy the latter. He just turned 22 and has only been playing basketball for about 7 years. We've seen the impact guys like Gobert and Lopez can have by simply being massive and having a clue. And I don't think either of them could have carried a team to a NCG and put 37/10 on the best college team of the last 20 years matched up against a fellow top prospect. If he checks out in terms of character and coachability he can be an all-star max-level player imo.

[buckboy]

1. Donovan Clingan
2. Stephon Castle
3. Reed Sheppard
4. Alex Sarr
5. Devin Carter
6. Zaccharie Rissacher
7. Matas Buzelis
8. Cody Williams
9. Ron Holland
10. Jared McCain
11. Terrance Shannon
12. Kyshawn George
13. Tidjane Salaun
14. Rob Dillingham
15. Isaiah Collier
16. Ja'Kobe Walter
17. Nikola Topic
18. DaRon Holmes
19. Dalton Knecht
20. Yves Missi
21. Ryan Dunn
22. Baylor Scheierman
23. Jaylon Tyson
24. Jamal Shead
25. Kyle Filipowski
26. Ulrich Chomche
27. Pacome Dadiet
28. Bub Carrington
29. Kel'el Ware
30. Tritan Da Silva

[emunney]

1. Donovan Clingan
2. Stephon Castle
3. Reed Sheppard
4. Alex Sarr
5. Devin Carter
6. Zaccharie Rissacher
7. Matas Buzelis
8. Cody Williams
9. Ron Holland
10. Jared McCain
11. Terrance Shannon
12. Kyshawn George
13. Tidjane Salaun
14. Rob Dillingham
15. Isaiah Collier
16. Ja'Kobe Walter
17. Nikola Topic
18. DaRon Holmes
19. Dalton Knecht
20. Yves Missi
21. Ryan Dunn
22. Baylor Scheierman
23. Jaylon Tyson
24. Jamal Shead
25. Kyle Filipowski
26. Ulrich Chomche
27. Pacome Dadiet
28. Bub Carrington
29. Kel'el Ware
30. Tritan Da Silva

This is the cutoff. No more lists! Will post in 10.

[RogerMurdock]

The real shocker on that list is that someone has Dalton Knecht as the 109th best prospect in this class. Like, what?

There are always guys who are awesome in college but that scouts/GMs/pundits/etc don't think project as pros, or at least don't project as worthy to spend a pick on. Reece Beekman, two-time ACC DPOY, seems to be another one of those guys (I understand the reasons, but expect a team to pounce on him as an UDFA).

[Ruben Quevedo]

Some more Edey propaganda.

https://theswishtheory.com/2024-nba-draft-articles/2024/06/the-edey-enigma-a-systematic-defense-of-a-generational-talent/

The writing is overbearing and the use of "generational" gets out of hand, but some really good stuff here. Edey checks *a lot* of boxes when you're screening for elite prospects.

[ShootingtheJ]

If Edey is there at #23 (and he won't be) then the Bucks need to take him.

He's got an incredibly soft touch and great arm coordination for a big. I think he ends up sneaking into the top ten tonight.

In today's NBA he's not a 35mpg guy, but think he's a top 8 rotation guy that will give certain teams fits.

I agree that he can be a productive regular season player, like Brook. I also think he'll get absolutely cooked in the playoffs, like Brook. That's tollerable, depending who else is on the board. I'd rather concentrate on potential 16 game players, even if we miss.

[emunney]

Here we go, f=21 Big Board 1-33.

1. Reed Sheppard
2. Alex Sarr
3. Stephon Castle
4. Devin Carter
5. Zaccharie Risacher
6. Ron Holland
7. Donovan Clingan
8. Cody Williams
9. Jared McCain
10. Rob Dillingham
11. Matas Buzelis
12. Nikola Topic
13. Dalton Knecht
14. Yves Missi
15. Tidjane Salaun
16. Kel'el Ware
17. Zach Edey
18. Isaiah Collier
19. Terrence Shannon, Jr.
20. Ja'Kobe Walter
21. Tristan Da Silva
22. DaRon Holmes
23. Kyshawn George
24. Bub Carrington
25. Ryan Dunn
26. Baylor Scheierman
27. Kyle Filipowski
28. Ulrich Chomche
29. Tyler Smith
30. Johnny Furphy
31. Jaylon Tyson
32. Adem Bona
33. Oso Ighodaro

[JonHeist]

Here we go, f=21 Big Board 1-33.

Spoiler:

1. Reed Sheppard
2. Alex Sarr
3. Stephon Castle
4. Devin Carter
5. Zaccharie Risacher
6. Ron Holland
7. Donovan Clingan
8. Cody Williams
9. Jared McCain
10. Rob Dillingham
11. Matas Buzelis
12. Nikola Topic
13. Dalton Knecht
14. Yves Missi
15. Tidjane Salaun
16. Kel'el Ware
17. Zach Edey
18. Isaiah Collier
19. Terrence Shannon, Jr.
20. Ja'Kobe Walter
21. Tristan Da Silva
22. DaRon Holmes
23. Kyshawn George
24. Bub Carrington
25. Ryan Dunn
26. Baylor Scheierman
27. Kyle Filipowski
28. Ulrich Chomche
29. Tyler Smith
30. Johnny Furphy
31. Jaylon Tyson
32. Adem Bona
33. Oso Ighodaro

wow would not have guessed Missi would be our consensus #1 guy (out of the ones that have a decent shot at being there at 23)

kinda makes sense tho, he fills a need and is hard to dislike

[LUKE23]

I like Missi a lot. Most mocks have his floor at 21, ironically our draft spot without the swap.

[Matches Malone]

Same here, too slow and small to be an effective wing in the NBA

6'7, 218 is too small? He weighs more than guys like Ryan Dunn.

He's slower but he's methodical. His ability to work in space doesn't need speed to work.

he's 6'5.5" with a 6'8" wingspan that's the size of the average SG these days, it's far from ideal

I like him if you think he can play the 2, but I'm not so sure about that

6’5.5 if he’s going out on the court with no shoes on. Think we’re splitting hairs with his size, considering his frame and how much contact he can absorb with his body is a massive plus.

[paulpressey25]

I agree that he can be a productive regular season player, like Brook. I also think he'll get absolutely cooked in the playoffs, like Brook. That's tollerable, depending who else is on the board. I'd rather concentrate on potential 16 game players, even if we miss.

That's just it. We can't miss tonight. We have zero room for error.

I know you like Marjon, but the reality is we're now two full years removed from drafting him at #24, and frankly it is a longshot at this point that he makes it.

[Ron Swanson]

Tyson is built like a SF and honestly might even be able to play some small-ball 4. I have no idea why people think his size of all things would be an issue. He's literally Kenrich Williams size.

[soxperry]

I agree that he can be a productive regular season player, like Brook. I also think he'll get absolutely cooked in the playoffs, like Brook. That's tollerable, depending who else is on the board. I'd rather concentrate on potential 16 game players, even if we miss.

That's just it. We can't miss tonight. We have zero room for error.

I know you like Marjon, but the reality is we're now two full years removed from drafting him at #24, and frankly it is a longshot at this point that he makes it.

If you think that, and i do, then you have to trade this pick. Its a huge gamble not to get the most surefire value out it.

[emunney]

Alright, here's mine. This was a hard one, particularly toward the end, where I have a lot of guys damn near the same, so I gave an edge to guys who could contribute earlier in my estimation. I thought about dropping Topic off because his knee sounds like a timebomb to me, but he's good enough at a young enough age that I couldn't justify it. I was aware going into it that I wasn't big on Knecht but didn't expect to leave him off entirely. But there it is.

1. Reed Sheppard
2. Donovan Clingan
3. Alex Sarr
4. Ron Holland
5. Zaccharie Risacher
6. Tidjane Salaun
7. Stephon Castle
8. Matas Buzelis
9. Cody Williams
10. Jared McCain
11. Devin Carter
12. Rob Dillingham
13. Nikola Topic
14. Kyshawn George
15. Yves Missi
16. Ryan Dunn
17. Isaiah Collier
18. Baylor Scheierman
19. Kyle Filipowski
20. Jonathan Mogbo
21. Ja'Kobe Walter
22. Nikola Djurisic
23. Terrence Shannon, Jr.
24. Adem Bona
25. Oso Ighodaro
26. Jamal Shead
27. DaRon Holmes
28. Jalen Bridges
29. Pelle Larsson
30. Tristen Newton

Would like to hear your thoughts on Edey.

I think he's being significantly overlooked. Dominant statistical profile, good touch around the rim plus decent free throw shooting suggests a chance to develop a 3-point shot (or at least a midrange shot), moves his feet really well considering his size, got better every year at Purdue and improved his conditioning, plays with an edge and shows toughness.

I find it really hard to believe he isn't one of the best 10 prospects in the draft, let alone top 30.

Sure. I don't have him far outside, but I think he's going to be marginalized by team speed in the NBA. His game is rim to rim and he's not winning any footraces. He's not Tacko Fall - he has strengths that Tacko Fall absolutely does not have, and shooting is a swing skill for him whereas Tacko becoming a reliable shooter was never really a thought - but he does have some of the same limitations. It's just not enough to jog 96 feet and jockey for position in the NBA. If you can't pass, shoot, dribble, or run at age 22, your path is extremely narrow.

[ReasonablySober]

Seeing Edey's progressive rise up prospect rankings has been interesting and funny to watch. Like people have stopped overthinking a guy they've probably watched more than any other prospect in this class.

[Matches Malone]

Keep seeing Filipowski at the Bucks pick in the latest Mocks pouring out. Would be such an underwhelming pick.

Also, cubs fan...

[LUKE23]

Consensus big board ranks for guys in our range:

19 - George
20 - Missi
21 - Furphy
22 - Ware
23 - Collier
26 - Shannon

https://www.rookiescale.com/2024-consensus-board/

Good with any of the 6. Dunn, Smith or Christie at 33.

[Ruben Quevedo]

Alright, here's mine. This was a hard one, particularly toward the end, where I have a lot of guys damn near the same, so I gave an edge to guys who could contribute earlier in my estimation. I thought about dropping Topic off because his knee sounds like a timebomb to me, but he's good enough at a young enough age that I couldn't justify it. I was aware going into it that I wasn't big on Knecht but didn't expect to leave him off entirely. But there it is.

1. Reed Sheppard
2. Donovan Clingan
3. Alex Sarr
4. Ron Holland
5. Zaccharie Risacher
6. Tidjane Salaun
7. Stephon Castle
8. Matas Buzelis
9. Cody Williams
10. Jared McCain
11. Devin Carter
12. Rob Dillingham
13. Nikola Topic
14. Kyshawn George
15. Yves Missi
16. Ryan Dunn
17. Isaiah Collier
18. Baylor Scheierman
19. Kyle Filipowski
20. Jonathan Mogbo
21. Ja'Kobe Walter
22. Nikola Djurisic
23. Terrence Shannon, Jr.
24. Adem Bona
25. Oso Ighodaro
26. Jamal Shead
27. DaRon Holmes
28. Jalen Bridges
29. Pelle Larsson
30. Tristen Newton

Would like to hear your thoughts on Edey.

I think he's being significantly overlooked. Dominant statistical profile, good touch around the rim plus decent free throw shooting suggests a chance to develop a 3-point shot (or at least a midrange shot), moves his feet really well considering his size, got better every year at Purdue and improved his conditioning, plays with an edge and shows toughness.

I find it really hard to believe he isn't one of the best 10 prospects in the draft, let alone top 30.

Sure. I don't have him far outside, but I think he's going to be marginalized by team speed in the NBA. His game is rim to rim and he's not winning any footraces. He's not Tacko Fall - he has strengths that Tacko Fall absolutely does not have, and shooting is a swing skill for him whereas Tacko becoming a reliable shooter was never really a thought - but he does have some of the same limitations. It's just not enough to jog 96 feet and jockey for position in the NBA. If you can't pass, shoot, dribble, or run at age 22, your path is extremely narrow.

Thanks for the reply. I think his level of dominance over a large sample size along with his competitiveness and track record of rapid improvement makes that path quite a bit wider than one might think. Will be fun to watch it play out.