iHart expected to sign with OKC 3/$87

[Wildcat]

If we trade Mitch, then we can keep Hartenstein?

unless knicks get overbid
knicks cannot give more than 4 year $72

But from the reports we were getting, IHart was going to stay with the Knicks over other teams that offered him more money.

I wonder if the Knicks entertain trades offers for Julius now?

Brunson
Donte
Mikal
OG
iHart

Choice isn't, nor will it ever be, Randle or I-Hart. Doesn't make sense to give up an all-star just to keep I-Hart.

[aggo]

no, the knicks only have iharts early bird rights. key word being early.

meaning we can only offer him 175% of his prev contract.

so 4/72 is th best he can get offered by us.


he is a UFA, so he can get a higher offer from someone else, and we cant match that.

Basically, the Mikal trade changes nothing when it comes to resigning I-Hart.

basically no

there is a separate issue of the apron #1 and #2 (lux tax levels) which mikal does impact but it has no effect on our ability to offer ihart 4/72

[Jalen Bluntson]

If we trade Mitch, then we can keep Hartenstein?

We would have to move Mitch/Deuce if we were to give OG/iHart their max deals. From what I read on here...we can't even afford OG on a max deal right now.

The most other teams can offer OG is 4 years at $40M each year. The Knicks can offer him the 5th year but then probably can't keep IHart.

What if OG takes a little less than the max?

We have 45.6mil in cap space from what I saw on ESPN IIRC. OG max would be more than that. If OG wants a max we can't afford iHart or anyone else as currently constructed. That's why we would have to move Mitch and Deuce into cap space to keep both OG/iHart on max deals and struggle to fill the roster after that.

The Bridges trade only added 2mil or so to our cap. It's really about what OG is willing to accept that the rest of the summer hinges on at this point. If he wants money more than being here, this could get ugly. I find it hard to believe anyone wants to leave but, money matters more than winning here/anywhere to some players. Hope these guys really like it here.

There are possibilities that Randle could be the one they move but, not sure what the team thinks about that. We have heard Mitch rumors already. There is definitely reason for concern that we lose BOTH OG and iHart if they value money more than this teams success.

[HarthorneWingo]

no, the knicks only have iharts early bird rights. key word being early.

meaning we can only offer him 175% of his prev contract.

so 4/72 is th best he can get offered by us.


he is a UFA, so he can get a higher offer from someone else, and we cant match that.

Basically, the Mikal trade changes nothing when it comes to resigning I-Hart.

basically no

there is a separate issue of the apron #1 and #2 (lux tax levels) which mikal does impact but it has no effect on our ability to offer ihart 4/72

So maybe we still trade Mitch and keep IHart.

[HarthorneWingo]

We would have to move Mitch/Deuce if we were to give OG/iHart their max deals. From what I read on here...we can't even afford OG on a max deal right now.

The most other teams can offer OG is 4 years at $40M each year. The Knicks can offer him the 5th year but then probably can't keep IHart.

What if OG takes a little less than the max?

We have 45.6mil in cap space from what I saw on ESPN IIRC. OG max would be more than that. If OG wants a max we can't afford iHart or anyone else as currently constructed. That's why we would have to move Mitch and Deuce into cap space to keep both OG/iHart on max deals and struggle to fill the roster after that.

The Bridges trade only added 2mil or so to our cap. It's really about what OG is willing to accept that the rest of the summer hinges on at this point. If he wants money more than being here, this could get ugly. I find it hard to believe anyone wants to leave but, money matters more than winning here/anywhere to some players. Hope these guys really like it here.

There are possibilities that Randle could be the one they move but, not sure what the team thinks about that. We have heard Mitch rumors already. There is definitely reason for concern that we lose BOTH OG and iHart if they value money more than this teams success.

If OG takes $40M/year, then we can resign IHart?

[Jalen Bluntson]

The most other teams can offer OG is 4 years at $40M each year. The Knicks can offer him the 5th year but then probably can't keep IHart.

What if OG takes a little less than the max?

We have 45.6mil in cap space from what I saw on ESPN IIRC. OG max would be more than that. If OG wants a max we can't afford iHart or anyone else as currently constructed. That's why we would have to move Mitch and Deuce into cap space to keep both OG/iHart on max deals and struggle to fill the roster after that.

The Bridges trade only added 2mil or so to our cap. It's really about what OG is willing to accept that the rest of the summer hinges on at this point. If he wants money more than being here, this could get ugly. I find it hard to believe anyone wants to leave but, money matters more than winning here/anywhere to some players. Hope these guys really like it here.

There are possibilities that Randle could be the one they move but, not sure what the team thinks about that. We have heard Mitch rumors already. There is definitely reason for concern that we lose BOTH OG and iHart if they value money more than this teams success.

If OG takes $40M/year, then we can resign IHart?

Not without trading Mitch into cap space. That would only leave us with 5.6 million to fill out the roster with.

[kNicksGmen]

We have 45.6mil in cap space from what I saw on ESPN IIRC. OG max would be more than that. If OG wants a max we can't afford iHart or anyone else as currently constructed. That's why we would have to move Mitch and Deuce into cap space to keep both OG/iHart on max deals and struggle to fill the roster after that.

The Bridges trade only added 2mil or so to our cap. It's really about what OG is willing to accept that the rest of the summer hinges on at this point. If he wants money more than being here, this could get ugly. I find it hard to believe anyone wants to leave but, money matters more than winning here/anywhere to some players. Hope these guys really like it here.

There are possibilities that Randle could be the one they move but, not sure what the team thinks about that. We have heard Mitch rumors already. There is definitely reason for concern that we lose BOTH OG and iHart if they value money more than this teams success.

If OG takes $40M/year, then we can resign IHart?

Not without trading Mitch into cap space. That would only leave us with 5.6 million to fill out the roster with.

that isn't true unless you're assuming we're hard capped at the 1st apron - which i don't expect us to be (unless we know ihart isn't coming back anyways)

knicks giving OG 40/year doesn't mean his 1st year salary is 40 mil. knicks could also give a 5th year to give him more total money but less per year.

knicks can resign both OG + Ihart. the question isn't about how much OG gets as much as just does Ihart take our max offer or not.

[Jalen Bluntson]

If OG takes $40M/year, then we can resign IHart?

Not without trading Mitch into cap space. That would only leave us with 5.6 million to fill out the roster with.

that isn't true unless you're assuming we're hard capped at the 1st apron - which i don't expect us to be (unless we know ihart isn't coming back anyways)

knicks giving OG 40/year doesn't mean his 1st year salary is 40 mil. knicks could also give a 5th year to give him more total money but less per year.

knicks can resign both OG + Ihart. the question isn't about how much OG gets as much as just does Ihart take our max offer or not.

I posted the cap numbers in another thread. OG MAX hard caps us from what I can tell. Would appreciate any cap expertise in the other thread. Things are so different from the days when I used to pay attention to this stuff.

[thebuzzardman]

Mitch getting traded, either in the draft or shortly thereafter. Then the Knicks reup iShart.

[8516knicks]

We have 45.6mil in cap space from what I saw on ESPN IIRC. OG max would be more than that. If OG wants a max we can't afford iHart or anyone else as currently constructed. That's why we would have to move Mitch and Deuce into cap space to keep both OG/iHart on max deals and struggle to fill the roster after that.

The Bridges trade only added 2mil or so to our cap. It's really about what OG is willing to accept that the rest of the summer hinges on at this point. If he wants money more than being here, this could get ugly. I find it hard to believe anyone wants to leave but, money matters more than winning here/anywhere to some players. Hope these guys really like it here.

There are possibilities that Randle could be the one they move but, not sure what the team thinks about that. We have heard Mitch rumors already. There is definitely reason for concern that we lose BOTH OG and iHart if they value money more than this teams success.

If OG takes $40M/year, then we can resign IHart?

Not without trading Mitch into cap space. That would only leave us with 5.6 million to fill out the roster with.

I'm cheap; I'll take a measly hundred grand.

[HarthorneWingo]

If OG takes $40M/year, then we can resign IHart?

Not without trading Mitch into cap space. That would only leave us with 5.6 million to fill out the roster with.

I'm cheap; I'll take a measly hundred grand.

I’ll even dust broom the court after practices and games.

[Fat Kat]

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[HarthorneWingo]

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[Capn'O]

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[will]

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Oh, really?

I'll believe it when it happens.

[will]

Not without trading Mitch into cap space. That would only leave us with 5.6 million to fill out the roster with.

I'm cheap; I'll take a measly hundred grand.

I’ll even dust broom the court after practices and games.

After taxes, it ain't no measly hundred grand.

[HarthorneWingo]

Does that mean we have to trade Mitch? Maybe we package Mitch and the draft picks (24, 25) and move up into the lottery?

Yeah, I'm greedy now.

[8516knicks]

I'm cheap; I'll take a measly hundred grand.

I’ll even dust broom the court after practices and games.

After taxes, it ain't no measly hundred grand.

There's always a Debbie Downer lurking...

[HarthorneWingo]

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I-Hart's fiance' said, "Oklahoma City??? No!"

[will]

I’ll even dust broom the court after practices and games.

After taxes, it ain't no measly hundred grand.

There's always a Debbie Downer lurking...

Call me Realistic Rolando.