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2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#461 » by GoBobs » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:57 am

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KingCat wrote:Knecht just seems like the boring upper classman pick that MJ was always ridiculed for liking.

In what is considered a bad draft, I'd rather go for a higher risk but higher reward.

the narrative that upper classman aren't great makes a Knecht a risky pick, if you believe he can figure out defense then he's a high reward player. same as pretty much all in this draft. they all have something that needs to be figured out.


Exactly do you believe Knecht can become passable on defense or do you like Reed or Dilly's chances. Small frys don't get bigger.

Or do you like Castle, Holand, Sarr's chances of learning to shoot. They have been playing ball and trying to learn to shoot their whole life.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#462 » by LofJ » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:06 am

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LofJ wrote:With the news that we've worked out Holland the list of projected lottery guys we've brought in to take a look at are:

Sheppard, Castle, Buzelis, Holland, Knect, and Walter.

We drafted guys we didn't workout when Mitch was making the call, remains to be seen how things will shake out under Peterson. It's pretty clear though we're primarily focused on wings.
And we were going to bring in salaun before he got hurt and canceled.

Shame we couldn't get clingan and reed in. Did we not get Carter in? Bummer.

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We apparently got Reed to come in for a workout, I imagine that's why the rumors started flying that we were interested in trading up for him.

As for Carter I haven't seen anything about him in Charlotte. If they could get him in I would hope they made that happen. He's got a great all around game and from what I've read he'd be good for team culture (his Dad is a coach for the Heat).

Edit: He's actually with the Grizzlies now, my bad.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#463 » by Diop » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:09 am

I solemnly swear now that I will not be upset with whoever we pick because its so wide open.

tough year for drafting
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#464 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:17 am

Diop wrote:I solemnly swear now that I will not be upset with whoever we pick because its so wide open.

tough year for drafting


Same. Last year I was ready for a fight on here. This year nah
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#465 » by amcoolio » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:48 am

Sam Vecenie is doing his final mock live on youtube, he's one of the best now if not the best.

He thinks Risacher is going 1, Sarr 2, Reed 3 if Houston keeps the pick but they are trying to trade it, Castle 4, and those seem to be the consensus top 4.

Draft starts at 5, and Detroit and Charlotte are entertaining offers for Clingan

Unless Smart is on the table, I'd rather hold on to the pick and take whoever is left out of Buzelis or Holland. Hornets don't seem to be interested in Clingan, even though I'd argue we need a center because Mark is not a sure thing
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#466 » by JustBuzzin » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:52 am

amcoolio wrote:Sam Vecenie is doing his final mock live on youtube, he's one of the best now if not the best.

He thinks Risacher is going 1, Sarr 2, Reed 3 if Houston keeps the pick but they are trying to trade it, Castle 4, and those seem to be the consensus top 4.

Draft starts at 5, and Detroit and Charlotte are entertaining offers for Clingan

Unless Smart is on the table, I'd rather hold on to the pick and take whoever is left out of Buzelis or Holland. Hornets don't seem to be interested in Clingan, even though I'd argue we need a center because Mark is not a sure thing
I'm starting to like Buzelis as the pick if that's how it turns out. His potential is worth taking a gamble on. We know he has the attitude and confidence.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#467 » by amcoolio » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:53 am

He's hearing Charlotte wants Sheppard or Castle, and may trade down if both are gone by 6. Seems like Charlotte is being tight lipped unlike other organizations
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#468 » by Bassman » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:32 am

amcoolio wrote:He's hearing Charlotte wants Sheppard or Castle, and may trade down if both are gone by 6. Seems like Charlotte is being tight lipped unlike other organizations


Jeez…if we end up trading down for peanuts and Holland I’ll be royally pissed. Especially if we could draft Buzelis or Knecht. I get that our guys may not prefer an older candidate like Dalton (even though they like him supposedly) but I’d definitely take Buzelis if he’s there. Trade back and we’re swinging the bat at whiffle balls (absent of getting Carter, who I’m not convinced they’d try for). Hell our workout list is woefully short…seems to confirm we had trouble getting players to entertain a visit.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#469 » by amcoolio » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:41 am

I think Detroit will entertain what is offered for Clingan, and if they don't like it, will take Buzelis. Then we get the same dilemma.

Really the only way Reed falls IMO is if Houston finds a big trade before the draft and that team wants Clingan at 3 instead of Reed
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#470 » by Diop » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:44 am

the draft board convinced me that Holland is worth entertaining

let's look at the 18 year old stats of other top wings (check out freshman year stats):

Jimmy Butler - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jimmy-butler-1.html
Kawhi Leonard - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kawhi-leonard-1.html
Paul George - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paul-george-1.html
Jayson Tatum - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jayson-tatum-1.html
Mikal Bridges - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/mikal-bridges-1.html
Demar Derozan - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/demar-derozan-1.html
Khris Middelton - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/khris-middleton-1.html
Franz Wagner - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/franz-wagner-1.html
Andrew Wiggins -https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/andrew-wiggins-1.html
OG Anunoby - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/og-anunoby-1.html
Jalen Williams - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jalen-williams-13.html

Common features in basically all of them--a bad A/TO ratio. The only one with a positive A/TO ratio was super low usage as a Freshman (Jalen Williams). Other common features with most is bad 3-pt shooting. Many with worse FT shooting than Holland, as well.

I like to operate off of available info. Virtually no uber athletic wing prospects with clear scoring talent and defensive ability are also sharpshooting playmakers at 18 years old.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#471 » by Diop » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:45 am

amcoolio wrote:I think Detroit will entertain what is offered for Clingan, and if they don't like it, will take Buzelis. Then we get the same dilemma.

Really the only way Reed falls IMO is if Houston finds a big trade before the draft and that team wants Clingan at 3 instead of Reed

Woj made it sound like houston really want a win now piece, so who knows
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#472 » by Lwcasu » Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:58 am

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amcoolio wrote:He's hearing Charlotte wants Sheppard or Castle, and may trade down if both are gone by 6. Seems like Charlotte is being tight lipped unlike other organizations


Jeez…if we end up trading down for peanuts and Holland I’ll be royally pissed. Especially if we could draft Buzelis or Knecht. I get that our guys may not prefer an older candidate like Dalton (even though they like him supposedly) but I’d definitely take Buzelis if he’s there. Trade back and we’re swinging the bat at whiffle balls (absent of getting Carter, who I’m not convinced they’d try for). Hell our workout list is woefully short…seems to confirm we had trouble getting players to entertain a visit.


Exactly. What are we going to land trading back in a weak draft? Probably a weak asset. If Knecht is there you gotta draft him and as much as I don’t want Buz mainly because I just feel like he’s not gonna be good enough on offense, I’m less high on Holland. One thing I disagree is we had a hard time getting players to come in. I’m pretty sure we had everyone around our pick and Castle/Reed come in. Who didn’t come in, Clingan? Maybe we aren’t interested and why would Sarr come in?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#473 » by GoBobs » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:01 am

My optimistic prediction

1. Risacher
2. Sarr
3. Reed
4. Castle
5. Knecht
6. Edey
7. Clingan
8. Dillingham
9. Cody Williams
10. Matas
11. Holand
12. Topic
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#474 » by Rich4114 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:17 pm

I'll say this, I will not be upset if we end up with Buzelis. I think he's got the confidence and skill a team like this could use. I'd say something similar for Holland, but for different reasons. He lacks the skill but at 18, definitely seems to have the drive and toughness. He's a bigger swing prospect than most.

I seem to be in the minority on this but I also think it's a huge win if we walk away with Clingan or Edey when the dust settles because the NBA is transitioning back more towards big men. We watched teams deep in the playoffs survive because they had a solid C rotation that gave them constant rebounding, shot blocking and rim running. We haven't had anyone set a good screen on this team since Cody Zeller was here.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#475 » by Benjamin Linus » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:55 pm

ESPN's latest mock has Edey going 17 to the Lakers. Would y'all trade one of our DAL/MIA picks (or both?) to move in for Edey?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#476 » by fatlever » Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:00 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:ESPN's latest mock has Edey going 17 to the Lakers. Would y'all trade one of our DAL/MIA picks (or both?) to move in for Edey?


i'd trade one of those for edey. but not both.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#477 » by Rich4114 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:02 pm

fatlever wrote:
Benjamin Linus wrote:ESPN's latest mock has Edey going 17 to the Lakers. Would y'all trade one of our DAL/MIA picks (or both?) to move in for Edey?


i'd trade one of those for edey. but not both.


I would too, if we don't land Clingan but walk way with Edey then our C rotation could be set.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect Thread 2 

Post#478 » by dmutombo321 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:10 pm

Co-signed. That Dallas pick is likely a mid-late first and I think Edey is a stud who is going to out perform alot of people's expectations

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