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Post#1441 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:51 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Any thoughts on who we should be drafting?
I think it really depends if they stay at 20 or move up, heck or move back.

If Mitchell extends or not, i think Cavs can probably go BPA. If ya get a good big, he can come into his own behind the slim towers. If ya get a big wing he probably pushes for a starting spot. If ya get a guard, maybe Cavs finally shore up the backup PG.

With no head coach in place and no Mitchell extension in place, it really makes it tough.


They have plenty of areas for improvement as far as the bench goes with the frontcourt being the most glaring.
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Post#1442 » by KuruptedCav » Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:57 am

jbk1234 wrote:Any thoughts on who we should be drafting?

DaRon Holmes or Jaylon Tyson


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Post#1443 » by JonFromVA » Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:08 am

jbk1234 wrote:Any thoughts on who we should be drafting?


Not me, too many names at 20 to consider, far easier to take it all in when we're drafting 3-5. I'll start looking in to it when we've actually drafted someone.
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Post#1444 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:50 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:Any thoughts on who we should be drafting?

DaRon Holmes or Jaylon Tyson


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Looks like they're both projected to be mid to late first rounders, so should be there.

Does Holmes project more as a 4 or 5 in the NBA?

Also, I wonder why Tyson played for 3 different universities in 3 seasons.
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Post#1445 » by toooskies » Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:28 pm

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KuruptedCav wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Any thoughts on who we should be drafting?

DaRon Holmes or Jaylon Tyson


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Looks like they're both projected to be mid to late first rounders, so should be there.

Does Holmes project more as a 4 or 5 in the NBA?

Also, I wonder why Tyson played for 3 different universities in 3 seasons.

Holmes might be more of a 5 on defense but both of the Cavs' bigs can defend as if they're 4s. I think he's a 4 on offense, and has good promise on his shot. Good pick if he's there. Also wouldn't mind Filipowski or Ware if we think they can shoot at the next level.

Tyson had to move due to a scandal somewhere, the one draft podcast I listened to excused it. But he's the same 6'5" player we already have too many of. That said, he could be a LeVert understudy.

Tyler Smith, Tristan Da Silva are interesting 4/3s to me.

After that, I wouldn't hate just a BPA plan as there are bound to be sliding prospects in this extremely flat draft.
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Post#1446 » by KuruptedCav » Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:29 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:Any thoughts on who we should be drafting?

DaRon Holmes or Jaylon Tyson


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Looks like they're both projected to be mid to late first rounders, so should be there.

Does Holmes project more as a 4 or 5 in the NBA?

Also, I wonder why Tyson played for 3 different universities in 3 seasons.

Holmes is an undersized center.

Tyson left Texas over playing time. Then at Texas Tech he was caught up in Mark Adams master/slave


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Post#1447 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:14 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:DaRon Holmes or Jaylon Tyson


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Looks like they're both projected to be mid to late first rounders, so should be there.

Does Holmes project more as a 4 or 5 in the NBA?

Also, I wonder why Tyson played for 3 different universities in 3 seasons.

Holmes might be more of a 5 on defense but both of the Cavs' bigs can defend as if they're 4s. I think he's a 4 on offense, and has good promise on his shot. Good pick if he's there. Also wouldn't mind Filipowski or Ware if we think they can shoot at the next level.

Tyson had to move due to a scandal somewhere, the one draft podcast I listened to excused it. But he's the same 6'5" player we already have too many of. That said, he could be a LeVert understudy.

Tyler Smith, Tristan Da Silva are interesting 4/3s to me.

After that, I wouldn't hate just a BPA plan as there are bound to be sliding prospects in this extremely flat draft.


No sue Holmes is still there.
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Post#1448 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:45 pm

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toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Looks like they're both projected to be mid to late first rounders, so should be there.

Does Holmes project more as a 4 or 5 in the NBA?

Also, I wonder why Tyson played for 3 different universities in 3 seasons.

Holmes might be more of a 5 on defense but both of the Cavs' bigs can defend as if they're 4s. I think he's a 4 on offense, and has good promise on his shot. Good pick if he's there. Also wouldn't mind Filipowski or Ware if we think they can shoot at the next level.

Tyson had to move due to a scandal somewhere, the one draft podcast I listened to excused it. But he's the same 6'5" player we already have too many of. That said, he could be a LeVert understudy.

Tyler Smith, Tristan Da Silva are interesting 4/3s to me.

After that, I wouldn't hate just a BPA plan as there are bound to be sliding prospects in this extremely flat draft.


No sue Holmes is still there.
Cavs could trade up if he's there around 15-18 and they really want him.
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Post#1449 » by toooskies » Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:50 pm

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toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Looks like they're both projected to be mid to late first rounders, so should be there.

Does Holmes project more as a 4 or 5 in the NBA?

Also, I wonder why Tyson played for 3 different universities in 3 seasons.

Holmes might be more of a 5 on defense but both of the Cavs' bigs can defend as if they're 4s. I think he's a 4 on offense, and has good promise on his shot. Good pick if he's there. Also wouldn't mind Filipowski or Ware if we think they can shoot at the next level.

Tyson had to move due to a scandal somewhere, the one draft podcast I listened to excused it. But he's the same 6'5" player we already have too many of. That said, he could be a LeVert understudy.

Tyler Smith, Tristan Da Silva are interesting 4/3s to me.

After that, I wouldn't hate just a BPA plan as there are bound to be sliding prospects in this extremely flat draft.


No sue Holmes is still there.

Some mocks have him as early as #12 and others have him in the 30s. Though he allegedly got a guarantee, but that may have been lower than #20.

Nothing in this draft is a certainty, from the first pick to the UDFAs.
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Post#1450 » by ijspeelman » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:08 am

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I guess the Mikal Bridges pipe dream is already over. Tho this is a lot more than I thought he was worth, but it should make the Knicks probably the best team in the East sans the Celtics

I can still hold out hope for my boy Cameron Johnson lol
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Post#1451 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:46 am

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I guess the Mikal Bridges pipe dream is already over. Tho this is a lot more than I thought he was worth, but it should make the Knicks probably the best team in the East sans the Celtics

I can still hold out hope for my boy Cameron Johnson lol
Quite the overpay. Those were the 2 teams that were rumored to want Mitchell, so if anything this means Mitchell will probably extend.
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Post#1452 » by JonFromVA » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:12 am

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I guess the Mikal Bridges pipe dream is already over. Tho this is a lot more than I thought he was worth, but it should make the Knicks probably the best team in the East sans the Celtics

I can still hold out hope for my boy Cameron Johnson lol
Quite the overpay. Those were the 2 teams that were rumored to want Mitchell, so if anything this means Mitchell will probably extend.


The Knicks have a ton of crappy picks, so, we'll have to wait and see which they actually traded.

But will they keep OG, too? That would be real interesting for them.

Seems like some further Nets sell offs could be on the way, but I thought tanking was problematic for them unless they can get Houston to send them back their picks?
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Post#1453 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:25 am

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I guess the Mikal Bridges pipe dream is already over. Tho this is a lot more than I thought he was worth, but it should make the Knicks probably the best team in the East sans the Celtics

I can still hold out hope for my boy Cameron Johnson lol
Quite the overpay. Those were the 2 teams that were rumored to want Mitchell, so if anything this means Mitchell will probably extend.


The Knicks have a ton of crappy picks, so, we'll have to wait and see which they actually traded.

But will they keep OG, too? That would be real interesting for them.

Seems like some further Nets sell offs could be on the way, but I thought tanking was problematic for them unless they can get Houston to send them back their picks?
The Knicks will send Bojan Bogdanovic, four of their own unprotected first-round picks (2025, 2027, 2029, 2031), a 2025 protected first-rounder via the Milwaukee Bucks, a 2028 unprotected pick swap and a 2025 second-rounder to the Nets, per Woj.

The Nets in a seperate deal got back their own 2025 first round swap and their own 2026 first rounder from the Rockets.
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Post#1454 » by toooskies » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:23 pm

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JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Quite the overpay. Those were the 2 teams that were rumored to want Mitchell, so if anything this means Mitchell will probably extend.


The Knicks have a ton of crappy picks, so, we'll have to wait and see which they actually traded.

But will they keep OG, too? That would be real interesting for them.

Seems like some further Nets sell offs could be on the way, but I thought tanking was problematic for them unless they can get Houston to send them back their picks?
The Knicks will send Bojan Bogdanovic, four of their own unprotected first-round picks (2025, 2027, 2029, 2031), a 2025 protected first-rounder via the Milwaukee Bucks, a 2028 unprotected pick swap and a 2025 second-rounder to the Nets, per Woj.

The Nets in a seperate deal got back their own 2025 first round swap and their own 2026 first rounder from the Rockets.

The Nets have scheduled a 2-year tanking dip, which corresponds to their big contracts coming off the books.

It's actually an interesting gambit that Houston is playing by tempting them to tank short-term, which probably increases the value of their 2027 swap in case Brooklyn can't bounce back up the standings by then.
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Post#1455 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:47 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
The Knicks have a ton of crappy picks, so, we'll have to wait and see which they actually traded.

But will they keep OG, too? That would be real interesting for them.

Seems like some further Nets sell offs could be on the way, but I thought tanking was problematic for them unless they can get Houston to send them back their picks?
The Knicks will send Bojan Bogdanovic, four of their own unprotected first-round picks (2025, 2027, 2029, 2031), a 2025 protected first-rounder via the Milwaukee Bucks, a 2028 unprotected pick swap and a 2025 second-rounder to the Nets, per Woj.

The Nets in a seperate deal got back their own 2025 first round swap and their own 2026 first rounder from the Rockets.

The Nets have scheduled a 2-year tanking dip, which corresponds to their big contracts coming off the books.

It's actually an interesting gambit that Houston is playing by tempting them to tank short-term, which probably increases the value of their 2027 swap in case Brooklyn can't bounce back up the standings by then.
Agreed. Apparently they're trying to convince the Suns to trade them KD and that was their main motivation.
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Post#1456 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:50 am

Castle going No. 4 and Holland going No. 5 tells me the Pistons and Spurs intend on tanking one more season, but there are ways to do that anyway without burning high picks on non-shooters. For every Butler or Leonard there are hundreds of Okoros.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#1457 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:01 am

jbk1234 wrote:Castle going No. 4 and Holland going No. 5 tells me the Pistons and Spurs intend on tanking one more season, but there are ways to do that anyway without burning high picks on non-shooters. For every Butler or Leonard there are hundreds of Okoros.
Spurs went and found a young back court duo, so good on them.

We'll see how they fit with Wemby.
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Post#1458 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:04 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Castle going No. 4 and Holland going No. 5 tells me the Pistons and Spurs intend on tanking one more season, but there are ways to do that anyway without burning high picks on non-shooters. For every Butler or Leonard there are hundreds of Okoros.
Spurs went and found a young back court duo, so good on them.

We'll see how they fit with Wemby.


That Dillingham pick is getting traded to the Wolves.
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Post#1459 » by KuruptedCav » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:07 am

jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Castle going No. 4 and Holland going No. 5 tells me the Pistons and Spurs intend on tanking one more season, but there are ways to do that anyway without burning high picks on non-shooters. For every Butler or Leonard there are hundreds of Okoros.
Spurs went and found a young back court duo, so good on them.

We'll see how they fit with Wemby.


That Dillingham pick is getting traded to the Wolves.

That’s a weird value. But I guess distant lottery tickets are what they are…


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Post#1460 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:24 am

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jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Spurs went and found a young back court duo, so good on them.

We'll see how they fit with Wemby.


That Dillingham pick is getting traded to the Wolves.

That’s a weird value. But I guess distant lottery tickets are what they are…


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I have this as a lose-lose trade for both teams. Wemby is on the roster now. That pick is a tradeable asset, but it won't be valued as a good one for 5 years?

If the Wolves are going to take out a second mortgage to get a Conley replacement, it's got to be for someone who can stay on the floor in the playoffs.
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