#5 for John Collins/#10/#29

[babyjax13]

I'd pass on Kessler/10 for 5

Yah, already having two similar caliber centers I'd expect that to be the case. I just don't see a different asset that I would be comfortable offering in a move up.

[vege]

I'm not a Pistons fan and I could be out of line... but his GM's statements make me think that he is in no hurry and wants to build with his own label. I think that starts with selecting his favorite youngster as high as possible. (I'll say C.Williams) and it's more likely they'll try to go up than down (Maybe by attaching a bunch of SRP??).. a clue could be THJ's rumored trade into space in exchange for some asset to be confirmed.

I don't think he is worried about building with his own guys, like Weaver did, however he stated he doesn't know our players, so he want to evaluate them better, and he will likely make trades during the season.

He said he want to take on salaries to add assets, and he said he could possibly move back in the draft in order to get more assets.

He is worried about building his front office and the coaching staff right now, the players are kinda secondary at this moment.

[7r5ur]

Collins has negative value, so definite no to the OP.

I'd consider something like...

Collins salary dump
Hendricks
#10

for

#5

Basically, the cost to get off of Collins' $50M+ and jump from 10 to 5 is Taylor Hendricks.

And yeah, I'm aware that Utah fans probably want to get off of Collins so that Hendricks has a chance to play lol. Just saying that's the only deal I really see that makes sense for Detroit unless Utah is looking to trade future 1sts.

[babyjax13]

Collins has negative value, so definite no to the OP.

I'd consider something like...

Collins salary dump
Hendricks
#10

for

#5

Basically, the cost to get off of Collins' $50M+ and jump from 10 to 5 is Taylor Hendricks.

We aren't going to add Hendricks to move off Collins. I agree the OP is a non-starter. I do think Hendricks gas similar value to the 5th pick in this draft (probably slightly less) so I'd be totally out on moving him. I don't think Detroit is the right team for us to target to move up.

[SkyHook]

He's not. He has negative trade value. The Jazz were supposed to be his rebuilding/reclamation opportunity and he got moved to bench.

Bench? He started 66 of the 68 games he played.

I thought most of his minutes came with the 2nd unit as a backup 5.

The five-man lineups where he played the most minutes were mostly the several variations of the starting lineup. Not debating his trade value, just clarifying the associated facts. Someone else mentioned that Detroit needed better shooting from distance than Collins can provide and I had to wonder if they watched him this season, particularly post trade deadline (45%).

[SkyHook]

The OP clearly doesn't work for the Pistons. The best iteration of a #5 for #10 deal that I've seen lately is still this one.

H. A bit spicier of a Jazz proposition
-UTA trades K. George, 10th pick FOR J. Ivey, 5th pick

Why for Detroit: Pistons get the better lead guard in George, one who fits more smoothly with Cade. Again, they can nail down a shooter or backup center at 10.

Why for Utah: It depends on Ainge's feelings for Buzelis, but he may like him more than George himself and still has Sexton and nets Ivey who has untapped upside.

[CallMeKahn]

The OP clearly doesn't work for the Pistons. The best iteration of a #5 for #10 deal that I've seen lately is still this one.

H. A bit spicier of a Jazz proposition
-UTA trades K. George, 10th pick FOR J. Ivey, 5th pick

Why for Detroit: Pistons get the better lead guard in George, one who fits more smoothly with Cade. Again, they can nail down a shooter or backup center at 10.

Why for Utah: It depends on Ainge's feelings for Buzelis, but he may like him more than George himself and still has Sexton and nets Ivey who has untapped upside.

I actually kind of dig that.

[vege]

The OP clearly doesn't work for the Pistons. The best iteration of a #5 for #10 deal that I've seen lately is still this one.

H. A bit spicier of a Jazz proposition
-UTA trades K. George, 10th pick FOR J. Ivey, 5th pick

Why for Detroit: Pistons get the better lead guard in George, one who fits more smoothly with Cade. Again, they can nail down a shooter or backup center at 10.

Why for Utah: It depends on Ainge's feelings for Buzelis, but he may like him more than George himself and still has Sexton and nets Ivey who has untapped upside.

I actually kind of dig that.

That is laughable for Detroit. George doesn't have that kind of value.

[7r5ur]

Collins has negative value, so definite no to the OP.

I'd consider something like...

Collins salary dump
Hendricks
#10

for

#5

Basically, the cost to get off of Collins' $50M+ and jump from 10 to 5 is Taylor Hendricks.

We aren't going to add Hendricks to move off Collins. I agree the OP is a non-starter. I do think Hendricks gas similar value to the 5th pick in this draft (probably slightly less) so I'd be totally out on moving him. I don't think Detroit is the right team for us to target to move up.

Fair enough!

I definitely don't think Hendricks has #5 trade value today. I'd have it more in the #12-15 range, but that will vary from person to person. And like I said in my post, I understand that the desire to move Collins is likely specifically for Hendricks to get more playing time. I just don't see other options for Utah to move up to 5 and get off of Collins, as is the basis of this thread.

Would be easier to remove the lotto picks and look at something more like Collins and a pick for cap space. Unfortunately, #29 in this draft isn't really doing much for me. Still, wouldn't shock me if something in this neighborhood ended up happening.

[7r5ur]

The OP clearly doesn't work for the Pistons. The best iteration of a #5 for #10 deal that I've seen lately is still this one.

H. A bit spicier of a Jazz proposition
-UTA trades K. George, 10th pick FOR J. Ivey, 5th pick

Why for Detroit: Pistons get the better lead guard in George, one who fits more smoothly with Cade. Again, they can nail down a shooter or backup center at 10.

Why for Utah: It depends on Ainge's feelings for Buzelis, but he may like him more than George himself and still has Sexton and nets Ivey who has untapped upside.

According to whom? By what metric? lol.

No thank you.

And how is the fit better with Cade? They have all of the same flaws. Turnstile defense, streaky shooting, poor efficiency, turnover prone. George was basically just slightly worse than Ivey across the board at the same age.

[SkyHook]

The OP clearly doesn't work for the Pistons. The best iteration of a #5 for #10 deal that I've seen lately is still this one.

I actually kind of dig that.

That is laughable for Detroit. George doesn't have that kind of value.

Fair enough. I guess I thought that eitanr was a Pistons guy and that Detroit had soured on Ivey for some reason.

[theBigLip]

I actually kind of dig that.

That is laughable for Detroit. George doesn't have that kind of value.

Fair enough. I guess I thought that eitanr was a Pistons guy and that Detroit had soured on Ivey for some reason.

We are all disappointed how last year worked out between Ivey and Monty. But Ivey still is an exceptional athlete and improving. We don’t need to dump him but a pure shooter paired w Cade might be a better fit.

[vege]

I actually kind of dig that.

That is laughable for Detroit. George doesn't have that kind of value.

Fair enough. I guess I thought that eitanr was a Pistons guy and that Detroit had soured on Ivey for some reason.

eitanr is not a Detroit fan, he is a good poster that spend a lot of time thinking about what Detroit can do to improve. As far as I know he doesn't watch Detroit games and don't know the players all that well, but I like his enthusiasm and his ideas, some are terrible, some are fine, some are good.

[SkyHook]

That is laughable for Detroit. George doesn't have that kind of value.

Fair enough. I guess I thought that eitanr was a Pistons guy and that Detroit had soured on Ivey for some reason.

eitanr is not a Detroit fan, he is a good poster that spend a lot of time thinking about what Detroit can do to improve. As far as I know he doesn't watch Detroit games and don't know the players all that well, but I like his enthusiasm and his ideas, some are terrible, some are fine, some are good.

Sounds like most of us. Thanks for the feedback.

[PurpleGreenGold]

There is absolutely no reason for the Jazz to make this swap and add assets for a player who isn’t going to add anything to their team. Hard pass.

[SkyHook]

And at #10, the Jazz end up getting my #1 choice in the 5-12 range. Couldn't have worked out better.

[BrianInPhilly]

Collins is turning into the most underrated player in the league … it’s really crazy actually. He had a real solid year last year, of course he’s not a #1/#2 option so not gonna lead a team to the playoffs but he was productive and Utah ran some good lineups with him in it. Atlanta fumbled the bag with him & seemed to use him as a scapegoat, yet the dude left and they were even worse. Peopke overrate his contract too, there’s just 2 more yrs on it. I’m convinced all these Collins haters not even watch him play, it’s crazy.

He’d make any team better that needs a versatile forward, Detroit included. He’s not perfect but finding a forward who can rebound while being a solid shooter, and team , high character guy isn’t easy.

[eitanr]

I actually kind of dig that.

That is laughable for Detroit. George doesn't have that kind of value.

Fair enough. I guess I thought that eitanr was a Pistons guy and that Detroit had soured on Ivey for some reason.

Not a Detroit person, but follow the Pistons closely and do not work for the team. I have a loose affiliation that is unimportant which is the most I will say.