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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#841 » by kennydorglas » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:19 am

Kinda surprised JJ took a non shooter
But this team needed some grit and heart.
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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#842 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:19 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:20% from 3
53% FT

unplayable

also isn't quick enough to guard ball handlers so what's his role


Absolutely quick enough to cover PGs. He can go from 1-4 with little effort.

Try harder with the troll. Low energy effort here.
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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#843 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:20 am

kennydorglas wrote:Kinda surprised JJ took a non shooter
But this team needed some grit and heart.


Bud and JJ were probably like Kolek or Filipowski and Ish said "We can't draft a white guy!"
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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#844 » by Mr Puddles » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:20 am

I'm wondering if we will pack our second rounders to move up and grab Kolek. So many reports about the Suns interested in grabbing him at #22 that it has got to be tempting to get him in the second round.
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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#845 » by Blonde » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:21 am

I do like Dunn more than the other non shooting wings on our team: Okogie, Wainright, Roddy, and Little. If we can move off all those guys and Dunn is the only non shooter it could work (Lord please teach this man to shoot).
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Post#846 » by mkot » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:21 am

garrick wrote:Are we going all in on Kolek?

If Holmes ends up being a stud I will never forgive JJ again.


Pick and roll threat, lob thread, can post up, plays the dunker, also has 3pt range. Yeah that's why they targeted him to play alongside Nikola Jokić
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Post#847 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:21 am

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:20% from 3
53% FT

unplayable

also isn't quick enough to guard ball handlers so what's his role


Absolutely quick enough to cover PGs. He can go from 1-4 with little effort.

Try harder with the troll. Low energy effort here.


That's not a troll. He won't be able to play much unless those #s improve significantly. Certainly not on any team that hopes to contend. You can't have a guy who the team doesn't need to guard, especially if he can't bring up the ball.
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Post#848 » by garrick » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:21 am

On the defensive end, Little has a chance to be outstanding at the pro level. He’s a tough defender who’s willing to take the challenge of the opponent’s best player. He also has the strength and moxie to slide over and defend the 4, something Roy Williams did with frequency last year.

Little was frequently the most athletic player on the floor during his days at UNC, but that’ll be a rarity at the next level. Defense and hustle translate across any form of basketball, but a small forward in today’s game is expected to can the three-ball at a better clip. If he can’t can the triple consistently and stretch the defense as a pro, he’ll have much more difficulty getting into his higher gears.


I hope he doesn't turn out to be another Nasir Little, a player coming into the draft with a questionable shot but with a reputation as a good rebounder and defender.
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Post#849 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:22 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:
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Where's the path to starting? Booker and Beal are our backcourt. Dunn can slot right in next to KD trmw and shut dudes down.

If he can stay on the floor


He doesn't need to start but to simply get minutes and the ball out of either Booker's or Beal's hands when it matters. They're both off the ball players and having the ball in their hands as the distributor has proven to be a mistake time and again.


Then you're playing 3 minuses on D with Book/Beal/Kolek. Plus KD and Nurk. We might give up an all time record in points. Kolek will get hunted relentlessly.

I like him fine, but he needs plus defenders around him to protect him. We had none.....we do now though.
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Post#850 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:23 am

Blonde wrote:I do like Dunn more than the other non shooting wings on our team: Okogie, Wainright, Roddy, and Little. If we can move off all those guys and Dunn is the only non shooter it could work (Lord please teach this man to shoot).


Oh yeah, I like him better than them too. He is a beast defensively. I'm just worried about his shooting and willingness to shoot (though of course if he can't shoot he shouldn't).

But he's better than all those guys and KBD. Of course everyone was super excited when we got KBD too.
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Post#851 » by sunskerr » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:25 am

Not that surprised kolek is still on the board. Dude seemed like a nightmare being slow and short, no wingspan etc.

Would like to move up for Ajay Mitchell. Seems like a much better prospect than Kolek.

But again my opinion means jack because I don't follow college prospects.
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Post#852 » by garrick » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:25 am

The Suns have an overloaded roster led by Kevin Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal. They now have a certified stopper to play alongside them in Ryan Dunn.

Dunn's defense is the best in this draft class. He has all of the physical tools you want in an all-purpose wing stopper, and his level of engagement is elite. He blankets opponents on the ball and disrupts their actions away from it. All-Defensive honors could absolutely be a part of his future.

But does he bring enough on offense to stay on the court? He can cut, finish and keep the ball moving, but he could be the kind of shooting liability who shrinks the offensive end.

It's not just that he struggles with accuracy (23.5 percent from three, 52.5 percent at the line in college), it's that he often doesn't even look at the basket. Teams will leave him unattended on the perimeter, and he sometimes just accepts that and moves off the ball as quickly as possible.

The Suns clearly think they either have enough scoring or have a great enough need for defense (or both?) to make Dunn worth the pick. That's a reasonable gamble to make at this stage of the draft.

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Post#853 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:26 am

Blonde wrote:I do like Dunn more than the other non shooting wings on our team: Okogie, Wainright, Roddy, and Little. If we can move off all those guys and Dunn is the only non shooter it could work (Lord please teach this man to shoot).

He's very clearly better than them. Better size, length and defensive acumen

Problem is he largely shares the same offensive issues that kept them off the floor (namely Okogie).
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Re: NBA Draft 2024 

Post#854 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:26 am

bwgood77 wrote:
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Mulhollanddrive wrote:20% from 3
53% FT

unplayable

also isn't quick enough to guard ball handlers so what's his role


Absolutely quick enough to cover PGs. He can go from 1-4 with little effort.

Try harder with the troll. Low energy effort here.


That's not a troll. He won't be able to play much unless those #s improve significantly. Certainly not on any team that hopes to contend. You can't have a guy who the team doesn't need to guard, especially if he can't bring up the ball.


Dunn will be fine for what we need....a dirty work defender. The shooting aspect I can live with as the other 3 will be gunning all the time. His defense and his ability to create turnovers will be a Godsend to this team and will do more good than Kolek would've done. Now, if you were to tell me Flipkowski then I'll listen as he can do PG stuff from the 5 spot.

If the Suns trade for Sengun tho then he and Flip can't play together. Dunn is a lock down defender and turnover creator if he plays like his taoe and numbers suggest.

That archetype fits any team that has 3 high level scorers....like us.
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Post#855 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:27 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:If he can stay on the floor


He doesn't need to start but to simply get minutes and the ball out of either Booker's or Beal's hands when it matters. They're both off the ball players and having the ball in their hands as the distributor has proven to be a mistake time and again.


Then you're playing 3 minuses on D with Book/Beal/Kolek. Plus KD and Nurk. We might give up an all time record in points. Kolek will get hunted relentlessly.

I like him fine, but he needs plus defenders around him to protect him. We had none.....we do now though.


Kolek wouldn't start. He would play backup guard with one of those guys. Dunn certainly won't start. I'm guessing he will back up KD if he improves his shooting.

But you can't expect much at 28. Hopefully he is better than the last guys we drafted in that range.....Davon Reed, Ulis and Okobo.

The one guy we took at 22 was Casey Jacobsen, though I think we got Finley at 21.
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Post#856 » by Fo-Real » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:27 am

We have scorers, we need dogged defenders. He is gonna be in practice shooting with some of the best to do it, he can't get worse. He is a stud and we will see how he develops.
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Post#857 » by sunskerr » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:28 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Blonde wrote:I do like Dunn more than the other non shooting wings on our team: Okogie, Wainright, Roddy, and Little. If we can move off all those guys and Dunn is the only non shooter it could work (Lord please teach this man to shoot).

He's very clearly better than them. Better size, length and defensive acumen

Problem is he largely shares the same offensive issues that kept them off the floor (namely Okogie).


Seems like Dunns %s suggest he's got a ways to go before he can touch Okogie offensively lol
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Post#858 » by KdoubleDees23 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:28 am

Bronny isn't a first round pick in this weak draft! He should go back to college.
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Post#859 » by garrick » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:28 am

mkot wrote:
garrick wrote:Are we going all in on Kolek?

If Holmes ends up being a stud I will never forgive JJ again.


Pick and roll threat, lob thread, can post up, plays the dunker, also has 3pt range. Yeah that's why they targeted him to play alongside Nikola Jokić


Makes sense for us too with our lack of lob threats and big men that can shoot 3's.

Meanwhile I am afraid we drafted another Nasir Little...
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Post#860 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:29 am

Slim Charless wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
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Absolutely quick enough to cover PGs. He can go from 1-4 with little effort.

Try harder with the troll. Low energy effort here.


That's not a troll. He won't be able to play much unless those #s improve significantly. Certainly not on any team that hopes to contend. You can't have a guy who the team doesn't need to guard, especially if he can't bring up the ball.


Dunn will be fine for what we need....a dirty work defender. The shooting aspect I can live with as the other 3 will be gunning all the time. His defense and his ability to create turnovers will be a Godsend to this team and will do more good than Kolek would've done. Now, if you were to tell me Flipkowski then I'll listen as he can do PG stuff from the 5 spot.

If the Suns trade for Sengun tho then he and Flip can't play together. Dunn is a lock down defender and turnover creator if he plays like his taoe and numbers suggest.

That archetype fits any team that has 3 high level scorers....like us.
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