ROUND 1: AJ Johnson - Poll Added

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[James1980]

well he probably knew by then

but howabout a new challenge... did anyone have him top 23? lol no

How about a different kind of challenge: what is your deeply held opinion based on?

1) couldn't earn minutes on a bad NBL team

2) 99% won't help us significantly this year and at 90% next year

3) at least a 50% chance he is still there at 33 even if you want to be as charitable as possible (I would say 90%)

4) there were players that have a semi-realistic chance of help us next year still on the board

I like his archetype, combine performance and theoretical upside, but it is a SH*T pick when given context

5) 37% fg, 54% ft, 2.9 ppg, 7.7 mins in the NBL

[M-C-G]

I like his change of speed in the combine - he’s constantly doing it, too. Between that, and some of the simple passes to the roller, that bodes decently well for his offensive feel.

Shifty dudes who can pass are really hard players to acquire if they become fully fledged nba players.

I also like that midrange pull-up, too.

I did see a little bit of Exum in the 4 minutes I have seen

[JonHeist]

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sounds like he probably won't be draft 'n stashed

[JonHeist]

I like his change of speed in the combine - he’s constantly doing it, too. Between that, and some of the simple passes to the roller, that bodes decently well for his offensive feel.

Shifty dudes who can pass are really hard players to acquire if they become fully fledged nba players.

I also like that midrange pull-up, too.

I did see a little bit of Exum in the 4 minutes I have seen

notable contributor to winning teams Dante Exum

(FWIW I was high on Exum going into the draft)

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Regardless of how anyone feels about the pick, it’s just a blatant misuse of assets. Taking a guy at #23 that would’ve for sure been there at #33 just feels like Horst trying to be cute. I can’t help but get the feeling that he wanted his Hammond-Giannis moment. We could’ve easily traded down like New York with OKC for 5 seconds.

Obviously we know nothing about the kid, so I’ll patiently wait to see what Horst saw in him. I just don’t understand how a win-now team by far took the biggest swing in a draft that may or may not pay off.

He’s a lotto ticket. We needed a win-now contributor.

Can't wait for three years from now where Danny aigne says he was trying to move to take him

[msiris]

that war room was ridiculous

Can someone internet sleuth their way into finding out who these guys are / what happened here?

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When you consider the fact that the Bucks left the draft up to a bunch of college kids this pick makes alot more sense

A realgm would look way better.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm actually fine with the thought process. I mean, everyone agreed we needed to get "younger and more athletic" right? Well, he certainly gives you both of those things, and I'll stress till the end of time that you should always be drafting upside in the NBA.

I'm just less enamored with the actual player. He was, and this can't be stressed enough, absolute garbage in the NBL. The shooting mechanics themselves seem fine, but sub-30% from 3 and sub-60% from the line is incredibly worrisome even at his age. It's like Horst watched the Combine scrimmage game and based his entire draft profile off of that. He's got some potential, but I'm not really sold he's actually this super high upside guy based just on the physical tools. Like, you're basically drafting a 19-20 year old high schooler. I legitimately think a guy like Chomche was a safer pick.

[JonHeist]

I'm actually fine with the thought process. I mean, everyone agreed we needed to get "younger and more athletic" right? Well, he certainly gives you both of those things, and I'll stress till the end of time that you should always be drafting upside in the NBA.

I'm just less enamored with the actual player. He was, and this can't be stressed enough, absolute garbage in the NBL. The shooting mechanics themselves seem fine, but sub-30% from 3 and sub-60% from the line is incredibly worrisome even at his age. It's like Horst watched the Combine scrimmage game and based his entire draft profile off of that. He's got some potential, but I'm not really sold he's actually this super high upside guy based just on the physical tools. Like, you're basically drafting a 19-20 year old high schooler. I legitimately think a guy like Chomche was a safer pick.

I would have so much preferred Comche

higher upside if both turn out perfectly too

[humanrefutation]

that war room was ridiculous

Can someone internet sleuth their way into finding out who these guys are / what happened here?

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This is an odd take, lol. What do you need a "war room" for in the NBA Draft? This isn't the NFL and a seven round draft with dozens of potential permutations, scouting reports, and trade possibilities to consider. If you did your homework, your board should be set.

[ShootingtheJ]

And trades never happen.

I'm saying the teams that worked him out did so to consider him with their later pick.

You absolutely do not know that. The person who would have some insight and does have inside information, moved him up to #23 because the Bucks didn't think he'd be there at #33.

This is what happens when the team thinks he's the only guy in the draft. He wasn't. Horst embarrassed himself. This dude was way worse than Jaylen Galloway, an NBL player Horst signed to a 2 year 2 way, but wasn't good enough to get on the floor for a bad G League team.

[paulpressey25]

From the clips the guy looks to have more natural feel for the game than MarJon.

Need to know more from our Aussie friends about the NBL. Do young guys like this get PT there? Or did this guy particularly suck so he didn’t get many minutes.

[emunney]

well he probably knew by then

but howabout a new challenge... did anyone have him top 23? lol no

How about a different kind of challenge: what is your deeply held opinion based on?

1) couldn't earn minutes on a bad NBL team

2) 99% won't help us significantly this year and at least 90% next year

3) at least a 50% chance he is still there at 33 even if you want to be as charitable as possible (I would say 90%)

4) there were some players I thought that had a semi-realistic chance of helping us win games (or at least eat minutes) next year still on the board (and now most of them are gone with 31 and 32 still to come)

I like his archetype, combine performance and theoretical upside, but it is a SH*T pick when given context

I think when you sleep on it you'll realize this is not very much. The last three are just other opinions.

[JonHeist]

How about a different kind of challenge: what is your deeply held opinion based on?

1) couldn't earn minutes on a bad NBL team

2) 99% won't help us significantly this year and at least 90% next year

3) at least a 50% chance he is still there at 33 even if you want to be as charitable as possible (I would say 90%)

4) there were some players I thought that had a semi-realistic chance of helping us win games (or at least eat minutes) next year still on the board (and now most of them are gone with 31 and 32 still to come)

I like his archetype, combine performance and theoretical upside, but it is a SH*T pick when given context

I think when you sleep on it you'll realize this is not very much. The last three are just other opinions.

did you have him top 40 on your board?

[giannis and 1]

…I like the pick

*ducks*

[ShootingtheJ]

that war room was ridiculous

Can someone internet sleuth their way into finding out who these guys are / what happened here?

Or barring that come up with the funniest fan fiction.

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This is an odd take, lol. What do you need a "war room" for in the NBA Draft? This isn't the NFL and a seven round draft with dozens of potential permutations, scouting reports, and trade possibilities to consider. If you did your homework, your board should be set.

And it's not the war room. We have actual scouts and executives, and these weren't them.

[pifhluk23]

A vast majority of #23 are busts. Not going to get all worked up about it immediately.

I mean you could pick Cam Spencer and be fairly certain he'll be able to play NBA minutes immediately, for sure in the regular season. But nah let's draft another project who won't help this old ass team at all during the regular season and has 0% chance of contributing in the playoffs.

[emunney]

1) couldn't earn minutes on a bad NBL team

2) 99% won't help us significantly this year and at least 90% next year

3) at least a 50% chance he is still there at 33 even if you want to be as charitable as possible (I would say 90%)

4) there were some players I thought that had a semi-realistic chance of helping us win games (or at least eat minutes) next year still on the board (and now most of them are gone with 31 and 32 still to come)

I like his archetype, combine performance and theoretical upside, but it is a SH*T pick when given context

I think when you sleep on it you'll realize this is not very much. The last three are just other opinions.

did you have him top 40 on your board?

I didn't evaluate him, seemed pointless based on 200 NBL minutes.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I'm actually fine with the thought process. I mean, everyone agreed we needed to get "younger and more athletic" right? Well, he certainly gives you both of those things, and I'll stress till the end of time that you should always be drafting upside in the NBA.

I'm just less enamored with the actual player. He was, and this can't be stressed enough, absolute garbage in the NBL. The shooting mechanics themselves seem fine, but sub-30% from 3 and sub-60% from the line is incredibly worrisome even at his age. It's like Horst watched the Combine scrimmage game and based his entire draft profile off of that. He's got some potential, but I'm not really sold he's actually this super high upside guy based just on the physical tools. Like, you're basically drafting a 19-20 year old high schooler. I legitimately think a guy like Chomche was a safer pick.

Just came to post here that it is funny that the board has been bitching for 3 months straight how we need to get younger and more athletic and it's like Horst lost his mind. 'HERE! HERE! HERES YOUR PRECIOUS YOUTH AND ATHLETICISM!' as he storms out leaving us to bitch about the pick.

I can see why people hate the pick but I kind of like it. What's the hit rate even for a starter at 23+? 5%? We were very unlikely to get someone who was a 16 game player at that pick so might as well go big. The flash reminds me a bit of maxey where maybe it gets guys moving a bit where he kicks it back to Dame or a driving the giannis

[ShootingtheJ]

From the clips the guy looks to have more natural feel for the game than MarJon.

Need to know more from our Aussie friends about the NBL. Do young guys like this get PT there? Or did this guy particularly suck so he didn’t get many minutes.

We have an NBL player on our roster. Have you been impressed with Galloway?