are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?!

MavsDirk41 · Post #281 » by **MavsDirk41** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:09 am

Knicks218 wrote:Lets go NYK!!

PG-Brunson/McBride/Ryan
SG-Bridges/DiVincenzo/Milton
SF-Anunoby/Hart/Burks
PF-Randle/Archiuwa/Toppin
C-Robinson/Hartenstein/Sims

I would try to move Randle if i were the Knicks. Imagine the defense with Anunoby and Bridges at the forward spots. We saw what they were without him. Better ball movement. More spacing.

web123888 · Post #282 » by **web123888** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:40 am

Not sure, maybe. They don’t have the usual Tier 1 superstar generally needed so would bet on other teams before them but they have a pretty stacked overall team.

Would still guess Nuggets, Mavs, Thunder, Bucks, Celtics are ahead of them.

ballzboyee · Post #283 » by **ballzboyee** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:42 am

Of course.

mattg · Post #284 » by **mattg** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:59 am

If the Knicks either just bench Randle and play him zero mins or trade him for literally anything to get him off the roster they are contenders. If he is still on the team and playing big minutes they are a 2nd round exit. Honestly it's that simple for them.

RoyceDa59 · Post #285 » by **RoyceDa59** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:25 am

Yes and it’s too bad we didn’t get to see them match up with the Celtics in the playoffs for a preview.

Healthy Knicks can win it all.

ITGM · Post #286 » by **ITGM** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:13 am

R-DAWG wrote:I’m not really sure how much better this Knicks team is than the roster they had before the trade.

Right.. Since a 35 year-old Bojan Bogdanovic and a 27 year-old Mikal Bridges basically cancel eachother out.

jpengland · Post #287 » by **jpengland** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:24 am

No, they aren’t IMO.

It feels like a team that will make a couple of conference finals and do perfectly well, without ever getting close to winning a championship.

NoStatsGuy · Post #288 » by **NoStatsGuy** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:33 am

mattg wrote:If the Knicks either just bench Randle and play him zero mins or trade him for literally anything to get him off the roster they are contenders. If he is still on the team and playing big minutes they are a 2nd round exit. Honestly it's that simple for them.

sure, just bench an all nba player.

or even better just dump an all nba player on a good contract for no reason.

those takes hahahahahaha

DaGawd · Post #289 » by **DaGawd** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:34 am

are we still not acknowledging brunson as a true tier1 superstar yet?

ajones9219 · Post #290 » by **ajones9219** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:18 am

IMO Boston is still the clear cut #1 but it moves the Knicks from fringe 2 to clear #2

ajones9219 · Post #291 » by **ajones9219** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:29 am

DaGawd wrote:are we still not acknowledging brunson as a true tier1 superstar yet?

I mean yes. He can put up big numbers but his efficiency is horrible and his defense is extra horrible.

This years playoffs he posted a 53.6 TS% and everyone got lost in the sauce because he posted 40 point nights on a million shots.

He is a fine passer for his usage rate but he's a volume scorer.

A great player but 1st tier? No

DaGawd · Post #292 » by **DaGawd** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:38 am

ajones9219 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:are we still not acknowledging brunson as a true tier1 superstar yet?

I mean yes. He can put up big numbers but his efficiency is horrible and his defense is extra horrible.

This years playoffs he posted a 53.6 TS% and everyone got lost in the sauce because he posted 40 point nights on a million shots.

He is a fine passer for his usage rate but he's a volume scorer.

A great player but 1st tier? No

most guys efficiency would suffer when their number 2 co star who helps takes the pressure off goes down (randle). look at his shooting splits with randle on the floor.. he’s super efficient

LaLover11 · Post #293 » by **LaLover11** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:41 am

They are definitely playing ECF vs either Celtics/Bucks/Sixers

sisibilio · Post #294 » by **sisibilio** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:51 am

web123888 wrote:Not sure, maybe. They don’t have the usual Tier 1 superstar generally needed so would bet on other teams before them but they have a pretty stacked overall team.

Would still guess Nuggets, Mavs, Thunder, Bucks, Celtics are ahead of them.

Brunson is as much of a superstar as anyone whose surname doesn't end with a ć

LaLover11 · Post #295 » by **LaLover11** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:02 am

sisibilio wrote:
web123888 wrote:Not sure, maybe. They don’t have the usual Tier 1 superstar generally needed so would bet on other teams before them but they have a pretty stacked overall team.

Would still guess Nuggets, Mavs, Thunder, Bucks, Celtics are ahead of them.

Brunson is as much of a superstar as anyone whose surname doesn't end with a ć

Do you think Brunson is better than Ja Morant

R-DAWG · Post #296 » by **R-DAWG** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:16 am

ITGM wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:I’m not really sure how much better this Knicks team is than the roster they had before the trade.

Right.. Since a 35 year-old Bojan Bogdanovic and a 27 year-old Mikal Bridges basically cancel eachother out.

The loss of Isiah Hartenstein (most likely) matters

R-DAWG · Post #297 » by **R-DAWG** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:22 am

LaLover11 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:
web123888 wrote:Not sure, maybe. They don’t have the usual Tier 1 superstar generally needed so would bet on other teams before them but they have a pretty stacked overall team.

Would still guess Nuggets, Mavs, Thunder, Bucks, Celtics are ahead of them.

Brunson is as much of a superstar as anyone whose surname doesn't end with a ć

Do you think Brunson is better than Ja Morant

The Knicks invested in this team as if they are getting top-5 MVP seasons from Brunson for the foreseeable future.

The more I think about this version of the knicks, I see the Dame Lillard Blazers post LaMarcus Aldridge:
1) both teams were built around small scoring guards
2) the #2 offensive player (Randle/McCollum) wasn’t an ideal 2nd option/star.
3) the best version of that Portland team had a pie of versatile wings in Mo Harkless and Fariq-Amino. NY has Bridges/OG
4) the starting C’s were league average

I would stay that this version of the knicks is probably more talented, but the structure of the team is very similar.

DaGawd · Post #298 » by **DaGawd** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:58 am

R-DAWG wrote:
LaLover11 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:Brunson is as much of a superstar as anyone whose surname doesn't end with a ć

Do you think Brunson is better than Ja Morant

The Knicks invested in this team as if they are getting top-5 MVP seasons from Brunson for the foreseeable future.

The more I think about this version of the knicks, I see the Dame Lillard Blazers post LaMarcus Aldridge:
1) both teams were built around small scoring guards
2) the #2 offensive player (Randle/McCollum) wasn’t an ideal 2nd option/star.
3) the best version of that Portland team had a pie of versatile wings in Mo Harkless and Fariq-Amino. NY has Bridges/OG
4) the starting C’s were league average

I would stay that this version of the knicks is probably more talented, but the structure of the team is very similar.

not really. those blazers teams played very little defense

iLLmatic860 · Post #299 » by **iLLmatic860** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:09 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
LaLover11 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:Brunson is as much of a superstar as anyone whose surname doesn't end with a ć

Do you think Brunson is better than Ja Morant

The Knicks invested in this team as if they are getting top-5 MVP seasons from Brunson for the foreseeable future.

The more I think about this version of the knicks, I see the Dame Lillard Blazers post LaMarcus Aldridge:
1) both teams were built around small scoring guards
2) the #2 offensive player (Randle/McCollum) wasn’t an ideal 2nd option/star.
3) the best version of that Portland team had a pie of versatile wings in Mo Harkless and Fariq-Amino. NY has Bridges/OG
4) the starting C’s were league average

I would stay that this version of the knicks is probably more talented, but the structure of the team is very similar.

Did this dude just compare Mo Harkless and Amino to Og and Mikal?

Nets fans be wylin :lol:

NiceLikeChrist · Post #300 » by **NiceLikeChrist** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:15 pm

I hope we keep randle so he shut up all the people who never actually watched the Knicks and go on and on about his playoff performance.

How people continue to hold that hawks series and a postseason where he played on an ankle requiring immediate surgery after elimination over his head is beyond me.

I guarantee once he goes into a playoffs healthy with this roster and shows what his value is everyone is going to say his team is doing the heavy lifting to continue to discredit him :lol: