The Amazingly Suck Winger/Dawkins thread

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When Beal and Zingus got traded, they were given a pass. What about now??? These dudes must have owed favors to half the league. Presti sending out double agents to tank the whole league. Now we got the guy from the Pistons here too so we're doubly screwed. Mikal Bridges gets 14 first rounders and Deni returns this. SMDH.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

This franchise has asbestos in the walls.

The fact that WUJ and Troy Weaver are advisors for this **** heap speaks volumes. Nepotism permeates this franchise. Special classes of players that don't have to play be the rules, nepotism hires, having Chris Miller lacky it up and try to explain in all, bringing in the popular local players, etc., etc., it just never ends

Trading Deni was just Dawkins acting like a degenerate gambler.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

In this new context, Kuzma getting a say in not being traded to Dallas now looks flagrant favoritism, and once again asset mismanagement.

If Dawkins and Winger were truly about resetting the clock and gathering assets, they would have moved him. They weren't sending him to a poverty franchise like this one, they were sending him to a team even at the time was a middle playoff team in the tough west. Yet, Kuzma for some reason, was treated as special when he absolutely doesn't fit the franchises timeline.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt at the time. But moving Deni for a horrible deal, coupled with us once again being stuck holding Kuzma for probably at least another 9 months is a nightmare we will never wake up from.

I hope Brogdon fails his physical and this trade gets blown up. It's a thread of dream, but it's something in this bleak environment.

[leswizards]

The roster that the wizards have now is almost exactly what people were hoping to have pre draft, but with only 1 substantive differences: ie, the Wizards have Kyle Kuzma rather than Deni Avidja, and that is probably because Deni has value while Kyle sucks and has almost no value to other nba teams.

[penbeast0]

In this new context, Kuzma getting a say in not being traded to Dallas now looks flagrant favoritism, and once again asset mismanagement.

If Dawkins and Winger were truly about resetting the clock and gathering assets, they would have moved him. They weren't sending him to a poverty franchise like this one, they were sending him to a team even at the time was a middle playoff team in the tough west. Yet, Kuzma for some reason, was treated as special when he absolutely doesn't fit the franchises timeline.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt at the time. But moving Deni for a horrible deal, coupled with us once again being stuck holding Kuzma for probably at least another 9 months is a nightmare we will never wake up from.

I hope Brogdon fails his physical and this trade gets blown up. It's a thread of dream, but it's something in this bleak environment.

That's what a lot of us here hoped after the Porzingis deal but when he failed the physical, they just substituted in the next most available player (Tyus) despite having an overload of PGs and then ended up giving away their prior starting PG, a virtual clone of Tyus, for a second. If Brogdon fails another physical, then probably just substitute in Thybulle, then we let him expire.

[badinage]

We watched Deni develop and grow. It was exciting to see him find new levels in his game, and to see the incredible hard work he put in. This is what we hope our draft picks will do. And he did it. And became lovable.

I don’t think this is something Dawkins and Winger understand.

Why does a fan care?

Look at Utah. Never won the big one. But they love their guys, who represent them and return the love. Not just Stockton and Malone. But Thurl Bailey. Hornacek. Guys like that. They’re Utah baskeball itself. Utah has always understood what a real basketball culture is.

Now, give me a perennial title team, and I might not care about culture and love.

But absent that, Will Dawkins and Michael Winger? Absent that, and you’re leaving me with very little to hold onto.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

In this new context, Kuzma getting a say in not being traded to Dallas now looks flagrant favoritism, and once again asset mismanagement.

If Dawkins and Winger were truly about resetting the clock and gathering assets, they would have moved him. They weren't sending him to a poverty franchise like this one, they were sending him to a team even at the time was a middle playoff team in the tough west. Yet, Kuzma for some reason, was treated as special when he absolutely doesn't fit the franchises timeline.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt at the time. But moving Deni for a horrible deal, coupled with us once again being stuck holding Kuzma for probably at least another 9 months is a nightmare we will never wake up from.

I hope Brogdon fails his physical and this trade gets blown up. It's a thread of dream, but it's something in this bleak environment.

That's what a lot of us here hoped after the Porzingis deal but when he failed the physical, they just substituted in the next most available player (Tyus) despite having an overload of PGs and then ended up giving away their prior starting PG, a virtual clone of Tyus, for a second. If Brogdon fails another physical, then probably just substitute in Thybulle, then we let him expire.

Isn't part of the argument from the fans of this trade that Brogdon is going to bring us another 1st back?

[trast66]

At least there is a clear philosophy of a total rebuild. Kuz and Kispert will be gone by the trade deadline for more draft picks. Very supportive of dumping Gaff and Deni.

My issue is I have not liked any of the draft picks relative to their draft position except for Vukcevic. But Winger/Dawkins came here on the strength of their talent evaluation and I'm a guy on a message board, so will watch it play out and hope I am wrong.

[badinage]

Now that it’s out where that Dawkins tried to trade Kuzma + 26 for 13, he just further tanked Kuz’s value.

We’ll be lucky to get 4 seconds for him now.

Nice work, Einstein.

[Frichuela]

While being disappointed about the Deni trade, we got to admit there are worse FOs out there.

Take ATL as an example, first Sarr refuses to work out for them and chooses our Wizards and second they just did this…

Read on Twitter

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[penbeast0]

While being disappointed about the Deni trade, we got to admit there are worse FOs out there.

Take ATL as an example, first Sarr refuses to work out for them and chooses our Wizards and second they just did this…

Read on Twitter

?s=61&t=ICcggtNoAgpgLzxKVsmDBw

That's what you do when a guy doesn't work out. I'd be okay with sending Johnny Davis somewhere for a 2nd as I don't think he's every going to be an NBA rotation guy. And he was a top 10 pick.

[badinage]

Was listening to Craig Hoffmann on 980 …

Craig, if you’re reading along —

It’s not that we don’t know what “modern” NBA management is, because we’ve gone so long without. It’s that we think this is, uh, poor asset management, and a botched trade after two previous botched trades.

We understand the vision. We might even be said to LIKE the vision.

But throwing Deni overboard when he’s made so many strides, and is still so young, and is about as positionless as you can get at 6-9 … is hard to fathom.

[montestewart]

Was listening to Craig Hoffmann on 980 …

Craig, if you’re reading along —

It’s not that we don’t know what “modern” NBA management is, because we’ve gone so long without. It’s that we think this is, uh, poor asset management, and a botched trade after two previous botched trades.

We understand the vision. We might even be said to LIKE the vision.

But throwing Deni overboard when he’s made so many strides, and is still so young, and is about as positionless as you can get at 6-9 … is hard to fathom.

And he’s on a cheap contract too!

[Jay81]

I actually like Dawkins hearing him talk but deni has not reached his peak yet and I don’t see the rush in trading him and getting a better return especially with his contract actually getting better

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I actually like Dawkins hearing him talk but deni has not reached his peak yet and I don’t see the rush in trading him and getting a better return especially with his contract actually getting better

That's another thing missing despite not letting it play out with him more, you just trade him for a knee-jerk reaction guy you like and it wasn't even a given their guy would have still be there.

So in the eyes of those approving of the trade, Will Dawkins was making a "home run" pick not matter who he drafted. Apologist logic I say.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I actually feel Dawkins has vision, in spite of sending Avdija out.

Just became an even bigger supporter when I heard during the rookies introductory press conference that he's a Buffalo Bills fan. I wouldn't be surprised if he models his philosophy after the Bills GM, I feel there are similarities.

Which would be a good thing in getting the Wizards organization back to a place of respectability.

[TGW]

So far so poop for Dawkins. Not impressed with any of his picks, and his trades have been absolutely atrocious in my opinion. They better get that top 3 pick or else this tank is all for nothing.

[Jay81]

Are we sure these guys are competent?

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Are we sure these guys are competent?

That's going to be a "No", Bob.

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Who would know better than you, with all your experience running... anything?