are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?!

[Kalela]

Didn't people say the Knicks would have defeated the Celtics if they were healthy? Employing that logic, and with the addition of Mikel, the answer should be of course.

[brackdan70]

Adding Bridges and signing OG make the Knicks contenders for sure. They are one of the top 3 teams in East probably. A healthy Bucks team is probably better and the Celtics are better. Let’s see what Philly does.
Comparing with the Celtics, Brunson is definitely in the same tier as Tatum and ahead of Brown, arguably better, or arguably worse (efficiency and D)
Porzingas is next then White, Jrue, Bridges, OG are all in the same tier. Randle below that. Horford and Hart maybe similar tier.
It doesn’t appear the Knicks can bring back Hartenstein. Robinson is their starting center, so that a hole. Depth beyond that is pretty thin for the Knicks.

[bronxknicksfan1]

just so i get this clear

-Brunson isn't a 1
-Randle is a black hole
-OG will play 40 games
-Bridges doesnt move the needle
-Thibs sucks
-Knicks have no future assets

Well looks like most of the haters on here are wrong, Vegas sure likes their odds since they are now tied w/ Denver as the second best odds to win it all next year.

I don't think ppl understand what a nightmare matchup the Knicks will be, the celtics top end talent is better? really?

Yes, Celtics top end talent is easily better.
We have better defense and better offense.

Out players not only can play lock down defense, they can also score better and have more tools to attack. We have more creators as well and no one that can be exploited defensively

Brunson > Jrue
White > OG
Brown >>> Bridges
Tatum >> Randle
KP >>>>> Robinson

If you’re going to do this with the comparison, at least do it right. This looks bias as hell. Especially if you’re giving >>> to everyone, but only slightly for Brunson > Jrue. Brunson is way better than him rn

Brunson vs Tatum is the top end talent. Tatum is more talented, but Brunson has been the better playoff performer these last 2 years and had the better season recently. I’d call that a wash.

Randle vs Brown is next. Brown is better defensively while Randle is the better rebounder and passer. Around equal as a scorer. I’d call this a wash as well.

Mikal/OG vs White/Jrue. Mikal/OG are the more versatile defenders. White/Jrue are more capable offensive options. Depending on the build on your team is who you go with here.

Mitch vs KP. They’re a wash when it comes to durability and defense. Both elite defenders that can’t stay on the floor. KP is an elite shooter and much better offensive option. Mitch is the much better rebounder. This one should go easily to the Celtics.

Hart/Divo/McBride/iHart(?) vs Pritchard/Hauser/Horford. I’m taking the Knicks depth here pretty easily. Boston could definitely get another wing to close the gap here with their depth there, but as it stands, the Knicks bench has potential to be amongst the best in the league.

[JKiddy]

If both teams are healthy Celtics in 6 in ECF or whenever they meet.

The Knicks will be fun to watch for two seasons before they have to blow it up UNLESS they get a true star who is above 6'5".

The Nets likely will win a title before NYK. But, it might not come until 2031.

[blueNorange]

The Knicks invested in this team as if they are getting top-5 MVP seasons from Brunson for the foreseeable future.

The more I think about this version of the knicks, I see the Dame Lillard Blazers post LaMarcus Aldridge:
1) both teams were built around small scoring guards
2) the #2 offensive player (Randle/McCollum) wasn’t an ideal 2nd option/star.
3) the best version of that Portland team had a pie of versatile wings in Mo Harkless and Fariq-Amino. NY has Bridges/OG
4) the starting C’s were league average

I would stay that this version of the knicks is probably more talented, but the structure of the team is very similar.

Did this dude just compare Mo Harkless and Amino to Og and Mikal?

Nets fans be wylin

I compared the build of the blazers roster to the build of the knicks roster.

If we’re splitting hairs we shouldn’t be comparing Jalen Brunson to Dame Lillard

is the goal to find new ways to embarrass yourself?

jeez, wait let me guess …you’re a knicks fan

[blueNorange]

Adding Bridges and signing OG make the Knicks contenders for sure. They are one of the top 3 teams in East probably. A healthy Bucks team is probably better and the Celtics are better. Let’s see what Philly does.
Comparing with the Celtics, Brunson is definitely in the same tier as Tatum and ahead of Brown, arguably better, or arguably worse (efficiency and D)
Porzingas is next then White, Jrue, Bridges, OG are all in the same tier. Randle below that. Horford and Hart maybe similar tier.
It doesn’t appear the Knicks can bring back Hartenstein. Robinson is their starting center, so that a hole. Depth beyond that is pretty thin for the Knicks.

why is a healthy bucks team better? also are the knicks also a healthy team?


giannis still has no jumpshot
dame is another year older

their entire roster is mediocre

[brackdan70]

Adding Bridges and signing OG make the Knicks contenders for sure. They are one of the top 3 teams in East probably. A healthy Bucks team is probably better and the Celtics are better. Let’s see what Philly does.
Comparing with the Celtics, Brunson is definitely in the same tier as Tatum and ahead of Brown, arguably better, or arguably worse (efficiency and D)
Porzingas is next then White, Jrue, Bridges, OG are all in the same tier. Randle below that. Horford and Hart maybe similar tier.
It doesn’t appear the Knicks can bring back Hartenstein. Robinson is their starting center, so that a hole. Depth beyond that is pretty thin for the Knicks.

why is a healthy bucks team better? also are the knicks also a healthy team?


giannis still has no jumpshot
dame is another year older

their entire roster is mediocre

If healthy Giannis, Dame, Middleton, Portis, Lopez and crew is a hell of a team. That’s a big if for sure and Dames age may affect his Health for sure. That’s not a mediocre roster lol, but true they are aging.

[blueNorange]

Adding Bridges and signing OG make the Knicks contenders for sure. They are one of the top 3 teams in East probably. A healthy Bucks team is probably better and the Celtics are better. Let’s see what Philly does.
Comparing with the Celtics, Brunson is definitely in the same tier as Tatum and ahead of Brown, arguably better, or arguably worse (efficiency and D)
Porzingas is next then White, Jrue, Bridges, OG are all in the same tier. Randle below that. Horford and Hart maybe similar tier.
It doesn’t appear the Knicks can bring back Hartenstein. Robinson is their starting center, so that a hole. Depth beyond that is pretty thin for the Knicks.

why is a healthy bucks team better? also are the knicks also a healthy team?


giannis still has no jumpshot
dame is another year older

their entire roster is mediocre

If healthy Giannis, Dame, Middleton, Portis, Lopez and crew is a hell of a team. That’s a big if for sure and Dames age may affect his Health for sure. That’s not a mediocre roster lol, but true they are aging.

portis and lopez are old and not that good

middleton sucks and is old

the bucks currently constructed are old and slow while other teams got better

[Lord Commander]

If both teams are healthy Celtics in 6 in ECF or whenever they meet.

The Knicks will be fun to watch for two seasons before they have to blow it up UNLESS they get a true star who is above 6'5".

The Nets likely will win a title before NYK. But, it might not come until 2031.

Satire right?

[brackdan70]

why is a healthy bucks team better? also are the knicks also a healthy team?


giannis still has no jumpshot
dame is another year older

their entire roster is mediocre

If healthy Giannis, Dame, Middleton, Portis, Lopez and crew is a hell of a team. That’s a big if for sure and Dames age may affect his Health for sure. That’s not a mediocre roster lol, but true they are aging.

portis and lopez are old and not that good

middleton sucks and is old

the bucks currently constructed are old and slow while other teams got better

Great you are excited about your team, but those guys are all still effective players. Let’s try to keep it real.
Portis is 29 and Middleton is 32. Lopez is old but still really good. He is better than any bigs the Knicks have.

[RHODEY]

Lots of talent, but not sure they have that ONE guy. Theres only been one 2004 Pistons. I like Brunson but I would still contend hes a 2. Also like Bridges but... I would also contend hes a 2. We will see if they can make it all work without a true super star.

#2 guy scores 40 ppg 4 straight games in a row in the playoffs? 2nd in playoff scoring average behind Embiid by a shade.

[hundreth]

I think the Celtics are still a tier above them until proven otherwise.

That said, I would call the Knicks a contender. Anything can happen. The Mavs weren't considered a contender, and they made it all the way to the finals.

[iLLmatic860]

Adding Bridges and signing OG make the Knicks contenders for sure. They are one of the top 3 teams in East probably. A healthy Bucks team is probably better and the Celtics are better. Let’s see what Philly does.
Comparing with the Celtics, Brunson is definitely in the same tier as Tatum and ahead of Brown, arguably better, or arguably worse (efficiency and D)
Porzingas is next then White, Jrue, Bridges, OG are all in the same tier. Randle below that. Horford and Hart maybe similar tier.
It doesn’t appear the Knicks can bring back Hartenstein. Robinson is their starting center, so that a hole. Depth beyond that is pretty thin for the Knicks.

why is a healthy bucks team better? also are the knicks also a healthy team?


giannis still has no jumpshot
dame is another year older

their entire roster is mediocre

Giannis is still a top 3 player in the world

You can never count out the heart of a champion.

Apparently dame didn’t even come into training camp in shape

Dont do this. Its foolish to count Bucks out

[Larry_Russell]

Brunson vs Tatum is the top end talent. Tatum is more talented, but Brunson has been the better playoff performer these last 2 years and had the better season recently. I’d call that a wash.

Randle vs Brown is next. Brown is better defensively while Randle is the better rebounder and passer. Around equal as a scorer. I’d call this a wash as well.

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This just shows that you have no **** idea what you are talking about.

[RHODEY]

I appreciate that instead of doing everything to get 3 stars, they compiled a really good TEAM. Brunson is their star, OG and Bridges are their all defense team 3D wings, a border level all star PF and a lanky rim protector, then off the bench they have a glue guy that can get you a triple double that plays hard on every pay, one of the best shooters in the league, and a young pg/sg that looks like they'll be a reliable scorer off the bench. They're deep and they all perform their roles at ELITE levels. This is my dream team sans Dame. I think it's between them and Boston. They should grab Ryan Dunn and the best center available with the picks they have left and they'll be set.

OG and Bridges are getting miscast as all defense, but really both are great 2 way players that can also score. Bridges has average 26ppg a season....
And then when you add in that Brunson was one of the best performers in the entire playoffs....I think the Knicks Match up offensively as well. Nobody on Boston will be able to stop Randle in the paint. The Knicks well have Hart and Divincenzo coming off the bench....Knicks are deeper.

[Larry_Russell]

Adding Bridges and signing OG make the Knicks contenders for sure. They are one of the top 3 teams in East probably. A healthy Bucks team is probably better and the Celtics are better. Let’s see what Philly does.
Comparing with the Celtics, Brunson is definitely in the same tier as Tatum and ahead of Brown, arguably better, or arguably worse (efficiency and D)
Porzingas is next then White, Jrue, Bridges, OG are all in the same tier. Randle below that. Horford and Hart maybe similar tier.
It doesn’t appear the Knicks can bring back Hartenstein. Robinson is their starting center, so that a hole. Depth beyond that is pretty thin for the Knicks.

Right now Knicks are clearly below Celtics and Bucks.

They are in the grouping with Them, Philly, Orlando and Indiana

I Personally take Philly above them as their top duo is better and they have the cap to add to it.
So that puts NYK in with Indiana and Orlando, both of whom can overtake NYK in due time. (internal growth)

NYK has great defense, but an unreliable offense that can be crippled very quickly.
Indiana can play defense in spurts and have an elite offense.
Orlando is well balanced and about to make a big jump, imo.

[RHODEY]

If they could trade Randle for someone like Jerami Grant they'd be much better served IMO. Grant is a versatile defender that can switch onto Brown/Tatum. If they keep Randle as a starter Boston is going to target him they've done it over and over again in playoff series getting teams to switch their weakest defender onto one of Brown/Tatum and let them go to work.

randle is 100x’s better than grant

come on now, randle is a 2 time all nba player

Lol they want us to reduce our talent.

[Larry_Russell]

I appreciate that instead of doing everything to get 3 stars, they compiled a really good TEAM. Brunson is their star, OG and Bridges are their all defense team 3D wings, a border level all star PF and a lanky rim protector, then off the bench they have a glue guy that can get you a triple double that plays hard on every pay, one of the best shooters in the league, and a young pg/sg that looks like they'll be a reliable scorer off the bench. They're deep and they all perform their roles at ELITE levels. This is my dream team sans Dame. I think it's between them and Boston. They should grab Ryan Dunn and the best center available with the picks they have left and they'll be set.

OG and Bridges are getting miscast as all defense, but really both are great 2 way players that can also score. Bridges has average 26ppg a season....
And then when you add in that Brunson was one of the best performers in the entire playoffs....I think the Knicks Match up offensively as well. Nobody on Boston will be able to stop Randle in the paint. The Knicks well have Hart and Divincenzo coming off the bench....Knicks are deeper.

Brisdges is not a scorer. He averaged 26 points in a 27 game sample size 2 seasons ago,. He averaged 19.5 per game last year. OG is not a scorer either Topping 16ppg once in his career.

Both are 3rd option role players who cannot create their own offense and rely on others to get them looks.

[bronxknicksfan1]

If healthy Giannis, Dame, Middleton, Portis, Lopez and crew is a hell of a team. That’s a big if for sure and Dames age may affect his Health for sure. That’s not a mediocre roster lol, but true they are aging.

portis and lopez are old and not that good

middleton sucks and is old

the bucks currently constructed are old and slow while other teams got better

Great you are excited about your team, but those guys are all still effective players. Let’s try to keep it real.
Portis is 29 and Middleton is 32. Lopez is old but still really good. He is better than any bigs the Knicks have.

Until the Bucks show they’re a capable defensive team, I wouldn’t put them above the Knicks.

Lopez may be a better offensive option than any of the Knicks bigs had, but they are 100x better than him on the boards. That matters a lot out of C.

[RHODEY]

Knicks now have an armada of defensive 3-D wings to throw on the perimeter. Brown will still get his, because he has consistent go to moves that he can rely on and his midrange is mostly unguardable, but I think the Knicks can stymie Tatum and his inharmonious, haphazard assortment of offensive counters.

The Knicks still have Randle and the best scorer (and thus probably best player) on either team, Jalen Brunson. A player that can score with the best of them. Finals MVP Brown has a heavy lift now when he plays NY, to spearhead the team on offense AND defense. He can do it, because Brown has that “dawg” so to speak. But it won’t be easy.

Porzingis is perennially injured unfortunately and Horford has one foot in the nursing home. Horford had a hell of a career, nothing but respect.

So Losing ihart will hurt but it’s likely inconsequential for a Boston team with aging/injured bigs that will likely be playing Tillman/Kornet significant minutes in the playoffs.


TLDR; The Knicks have the best scorer and the best defenders to slow down the Celtics players.

I have them making the finals against OKC/MIN. The Bucks and Celtics tied for 2nd favorites.


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Props to you for being objective.