are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?!

[bronxknicksfan1]

Brunson vs Tatum is the top end talent. Tatum is more talented, but Brunson has been the better playoff performer these last 2 years and had the better season recently. I’d call that a wash.

Randle vs Brown is next. Brown is better defensively while Randle is the better rebounder and passer. Around equal as a scorer. I’d call this a wash as well.

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This just shows that you have no **** idea what you are talking about.

So top 5 MVP candidate Brunson didn’t have a better season than Tatum?

Randle isn’t a better passer and rebounder than Brown while being an equal scorer?

Objectively speaking, all numbers indicate this to be true.

[brackdan70]

portis and lopez are old and not that good

middleton sucks and is old

the bucks currently constructed are old and slow while other teams got better

Great you are excited about your team, but those guys are all still effective players. Let’s try to keep it real.
Portis is 29 and Middleton is 32. Lopez is old but still really good. He is better than any bigs the Knicks have.

Until the Bucks show they’re a capable defensive team, I wouldn’t put them above the Knicks.

Lopez may be a better offensive option than any of the Knicks bigs had, but they are 100x better than him on the boards. That matters a lot out of C.

100x. Ok

[Zenzibar]

Adding Bridges and signing OG make the Knicks contenders for sure. They are one of the top 3 teams in East probably. A healthy Bucks team is probably better and the Celtics are better. Let’s see what Philly does.
Comparing with the Celtics, Brunson is definitely in the same tier as Tatum and ahead of Brown, arguably better, or arguably worse (efficiency and D)
Porzingas is next then White, Jrue, Bridges, OG are all in the same tier. Randle below that. Horford and Hart maybe similar tier.
It doesn’t appear the Knicks can bring back Hartenstein. Robinson is their starting center, so that a hole. Depth beyond that is pretty thin for the Knicks.

Right now Knicks are clearly below Celtics and Bucks.

They are in the grouping with Them, Philly, Orlando and Indiana

I Personally take Philly above them as their top duo is better and they have the cap to add to it.
So that puts NYK in with Indiana and Orlando, both of whom can overtake NYK in due time. (internal growth)

NYK has great defense, but an unreliable offense that can be crippled very quickly.
Indiana can play defense in spurts and have an elite offense.
Orlando is well balanced and about to make a big jump, imo.

"Internal growth"? Is that like herpes or a cists? GTFOH

[omerome]

Adding Bridges and signing OG make the Knicks contenders for sure. They are one of the top 3 teams in East probably. A healthy Bucks team is probably better and the Celtics are better. Let’s see what Philly does.
Comparing with the Celtics, Brunson is definitely in the same tier as Tatum and ahead of Brown, arguably better, or arguably worse (efficiency and D)
Porzingas is next then White, Jrue, Bridges, OG are all in the same tier. Randle below that. Horford and Hart maybe similar tier.
It doesn’t appear the Knicks can bring back Hartenstein. Robinson is their starting center, so that a hole. Depth beyond that is pretty thin for the Knicks.

why is a healthy bucks team better? also are the knicks also a healthy team?


giannis still has no jumpshot
dame is another year older

their entire roster is mediocre

If healthy Giannis, Dame, Middleton, Portis, Lopez and crew is a hell of a team. That’s a big if for sure and Dames age may affect his Health for sure. That’s not a mediocre roster lol, but true they are aging.

You forgot that Doc Rivers is their coach.

[R-DAWG]

Brunson vs Tatum is the top end talent. Tatum is more talented, but Brunson has been the better playoff performer these last 2 years and had the better season recently. I’d call that a wash.

Randle vs Brown is next. Brown is better defensively while Randle is the better rebounder and passer. Around equal as a scorer. I’d call this a wash as well.

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This just shows that you have no **** idea what you are talking about.

So top 5 MVP candidate Brunson didn’t have a better season than Tatum?

Randle isn’t a better passer and rebounder than Brown while being an equal scorer?

Objectively speaking, all numbers indicate this to be true.

Brunson was better than Tatum this past season.

Brown is better than Randle, by a significant margin at this point.

[iLLmatic860]

I appreciate that instead of doing everything to get 3 stars, they compiled a really good TEAM. Brunson is their star, OG and Bridges are their all defense team 3D wings, a border level all star PF and a lanky rim protector, then off the bench they have a glue guy that can get you a triple double that plays hard on every pay, one of the best shooters in the league, and a young pg/sg that looks like they'll be a reliable scorer off the bench. They're deep and they all perform their roles at ELITE levels. This is my dream team sans Dame. I think it's between them and Boston. They should grab Ryan Dunn and the best center available with the picks they have left and they'll be set.

OG and Bridges are getting miscast as all defense, but really both are great 2 way players that can also score. Bridges has average 26ppg a season....
And then when you add in that Brunson was one of the best performers in the entire playoffs....I think the Knicks Match up offensively as well. Nobody on Boston will be able to stop Randle in the paint. The Knicks well have Hart and Divincenzo coming off the bench....Knicks are deeper.

Both are 3rd option role players who cannot create their own offense and rely on others to get them looks.

Mikal is capable of creating his offense, just not consistently. But that's ok. Brun and Randle can create their own shots and both command double teams. Now teams gonna have to think twice, now that they have more guys who are great catch and shooters. Skies the limit

all it really comes down to is OG's health come playoff time

[Stannis]

I'm probably the most pessimistic and self hating Knick fan. But even I can admit, if healthy, they are a contender. Especially if they manage to resign Hartenstein

People thought Knicks effed up not getting Donovan Mitchell. But reality is, that was too much defensive liability in the back court.

Brunson facilitates and runs the offense.

Randle is a # 2 scoring option.

This should open the floor for Bridges + OG for easy buckets.

And you still have Josh Hart and DDV coming off the bench. Both showed their worth in the playoffs.

Of course, I'm still worried about health. And also finding a center or resigning Hartenstein.

I don't think tom Thibodeau ever had a team like this. And maybe for once, he doesn't run everybody to the ground. He has 7 guys that are starters on most NBA teams. McBridge will get minutes as well. I'm also not sure about their 2024 draft picks. But maybe they get minutes too?

[iLLmatic860]

why is a healthy bucks team better? also are the knicks also a healthy team?


giannis still has no jumpshot
dame is another year older

their entire roster is mediocre

If healthy Giannis, Dame, Middleton, Portis, Lopez and crew is a hell of a team. That’s a big if for sure and Dames age may affect his Health for sure. That’s not a mediocre roster lol, but true they are aging.

You forgot that Doc Rivers is their coach.

I get that its a running meme and all but Doc Rivers still did lead the Celtics to the championship

Doc is certainly to blame for questionable decisions but I doubt he would've won a chip with those teams he had.

Cp3 is the best player he coached since 2008 but its very hard to win with a small PG as your best player

then he's had Embiid (SOFT)
Harden (SOFT)


I wouldn't count out the Bucks just yet

[bronxknicksfan1]

Great you are excited about your team, but those guys are all still effective players. Let’s try to keep it real.
Portis is 29 and Middleton is 32. Lopez is old but still really good. He is better than any bigs the Knicks have.

Until the Bucks show they’re a capable defensive team, I wouldn’t put them above the Knicks.

Lopez may be a better offensive option than any of the Knicks bigs had, but they are 100x better than him on the boards. That matters a lot out of C.

100x. Ok

Mitch - 19.2% TRB
iHart - 18.5% TRB
Lopez - 9.3% TRB

100x is clearly an exaggeration. Each of them being twice as good would suffice.

[omerome]

If healthy Giannis, Dame, Middleton, Portis, Lopez and crew is a hell of a team. That’s a big if for sure and Dames age may affect his Health for sure. That’s not a mediocre roster lol, but true they are aging.

You forgot that Doc Rivers is their coach.

I get that its a running meme and all but Doc Rivers still did lead the Celtics to the championship

Doc is certainly to blame for questionable decisions but I doubt he would've won a chip with those teams he had.

Cp3 is the best player he coached since 2008 but its very hard to win with a small PG as your best player

then he's had Embiid (SOFT)
Harden (SOFT)


I wouldn't count out the Bucks just yet

Yes, Doc did lead the Celtics to a championship, but he also had Thibs as his assistant, for example. Since then, he had constantly shown disappointing results everywhere he's been.

Look, he's probably a very nice guy, which is why he keeps getting coaching gigs, but I truly don't think he's a good coach just on his own merit.

[bronxknicksfan1]

This just shows that you have no **** idea what you are talking about.

So top 5 MVP candidate Brunson didn’t have a better season than Tatum?

Randle isn’t a better passer and rebounder than Brown while being an equal scorer?

Objectively speaking, all numbers indicate this to be true.

Brunson was better than Tatum this past season.

Brown is better than Randle, by a significant margin at this point.

Even if Brown is better than Randle, which he isn’t, it’s absolutely not by a significant margin.

[R-DAWG]

So top 5 MVP candidate Brunson didn’t have a better season than Tatum?

Randle isn’t a better passer and rebounder than Brown while being an equal scorer?

Objectively speaking, all numbers indicate this to be true.

Brunson was better than Tatum this past season.

Brown is better than Randle, by a significant margin at this point.

Even if Brown is better than Randle, which he isn’t, it’s absolutely not by a significant margin.

I hate Boston more than anyone, but look at what Brown did in the playoffs and compare that to what Randle has done in the playoffs.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Brunson was better than Tatum this past season.

Brown is better than Randle, by a significant margin at this point.

Even if Brown is better than Randle, which he isn’t, it’s absolutely not by a significant margin.

I hate Boston more than anyone, but look at what Brown did in the playoffs and compare that to what Randle has done in the playoffs.

Without adding context, Brown has been a better playoff performer.

And Brown still isn’t better than him.

[durden_tyler]

Another point perhaps not mentioned yet is how this newfound depth will help the team’s load management and lessen risk to injuries.

Thibs’ 44 minutes of hell won’t be seen anymore with a solid 8 man rotation, assuming healthy of course.

Minutes (Xish distribution)

Brunson 35 / McBride 20
Bridges 35 / DiVincenzo 25
OG 35 / Hart 30
Randle 30
Robinson 30

This is the modern NBA too, i think the Knicks will get away with playing Randle at C especially when you have versatile defenders in Bridges, OG and Hart.


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[The KnicksFix]

If both teams are healthy Celtics in 6 in ECF or whenever they meet.

The Knicks will be fun to watch for two seasons before they have to blow it up UNLESS they get a true star who is above 6'5".

The Nets likely will win a title before NYK. But, it might not come until 2031.

Lololol “celtics in 6”
Lmaoo

[WargamesX]

I think the Knicks who were already the 2nd seed in the east are a top 5 team. In no particular order:

Knicks
Celtics
OKC
Wolves
Nuggets

Things might change in free agency, but the Knicks legitimized themselves as contenders.

[SweetTouch]

Knicks four best players are better than Celtics four best players

But Celtics have Brad Steven’s

[JKiddy]

If both teams are healthy Celtics in 6 in ECF or whenever they meet.

The Knicks will be fun to watch for two seasons before they have to blow it up UNLESS they get a true star who is above 6'5".

The Nets likely will win a title before NYK. But, it might not come until 2031.

Satire right?

I do not believe the Knicks will win a title with this exact roster BARRING A MASSIVE INJURY/UNEXPECTED TRAGEDY TO MULTIPLE TEAMS. Do you?

[Zeno]

100% they are contenders.

[ryan in Maine]

just so i get this clear

-Brunson isn't a 1
-Randle is a black hole
-OG will play 40 games
-Bridges doesnt move the needle
-Thibs sucks
-Knicks have no future assets

Well looks like most of the haters on here are wrong, Vegas sure likes their odds since they are now tied w/ Denver as the second best odds to win it all next year.

I don't think ppl understand what a nightmare matchup the Knicks will be, the celtics top end talent is better? really?

Yes, Celtics top end talent is easily better.
We have better defense and better offense.

Out players not only can play lock down defense, they can also score better and have more tools to attack. We have more creators as well and no one that can be exploited defensively

Brunson > Jrue
White > OG
Brown >>> Bridges
Tatum >> Randle
KP >>>>> Robinson

If you’re going to do this with the comparison, at least do it right. This looks bias as hell. Especially if you’re giving >>> to everyone, but only slightly for Brunson > Jrue. Brunson is way better than him rn

Brunson vs Tatum is the top end talent. Tatum is more talented, but Brunson has been the better playoff performer these last 2 years and had the better season recently. I’d call that a wash.

Randle vs Brown is next. Brown is better defensively while Randle is the better rebounder and passer. Around equal as a scorer. I’d call this a wash as well.

Mikal/OG vs White/Jrue. Mikal/OG are the more versatile defenders. White/Jrue are more capable offensive options. Depending on the build on your team is who you go with here.

Mitch vs KP. They’re a wash when it comes to durability and defense. Both elite defenders that can’t stay on the floor. KP is an elite shooter and much better offensive option. Mitch is the much better rebounder. This one should go easily to the Celtics.

Hart/Divo/McBride/iHart(?) vs Pritchard/Hauser/Horford. I’m taking the Knicks depth here pretty easily. Boston could definitely get another wing to close the gap here with their depth there, but as it stands, the Knicks bench has potential to be amongst the best in the league.

The right way --

Brunson > Jrue
Bridges < White
OG < Brown
Randle < Tatum
Mitch < KP
Bench ≈ Bench
Thibs < Mazz
Rosas < Stevens

Knicks <<< Celtics