With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter!

[XTC]

I mean, we might be saying the same thing about Barnes, Dick, Walters in a few years.

Difference was that we were adding those guys to a 50 win team led by Demar/Lowry lol

Looking at that roster it makes no sense how we won 49 games in 2014-15.

Our back court combined for almost 40 PPG. Derozan and Lowry could both get you 20 on any single night, back when 20 PPG meant something (in the 14/15 season only 15 players averaged 20 PPG, with the highest being 28 PPG, and no 30 PPG scorers vs 38 players averaging 20 PPG, 4 guys averaging 30 PPG, with the league leader averaging 34 PPG in 23/24)

[causal_fan]

If only Masai had the courage to trade with SA to take Edey

Memphis almost shut down his workout halfway through because he was too physically dominant against the guys they put him up against.

A Utah Jazz insider two weeks ago leaked and deleted a comment how the Jazz brass were saying his workout was "child abuse".

Masai's new "vision" better work because there was no excuse to not take Edey and build around him.

I have to say I was thrilled when Edey was selected not only for the player but for the Raptors not having to select him.

[SpezNc]

3&D player. But honestly if you can get a KCP type at 19, you're laughing to the bank. I think Trent is definitely gone. Gradey starts, this kid is the back up wing. Raptors won't be winning many games anyways.

I guess we will see what happens with Trent /Brown

Will we take the cap room space , bring back both or pick-up option & trade / sign trade Brown and or Trent Jr.

I don’t think drafting Ja’Kobe prevent Raptors to bring Trent back. Walter can easily take some time in G League, there is always injuries .

But definitely can’t see Raptors bringing GTJR long term . A year higher salary + team option (a la Brown) would be my take it or leave it approach with GTHJ

I am curious if Brown’s option will be pick up if not traded by today . Wondering as well if not if Brown could post poned the deadline by a day or two. He has everything to gain to see his option pick up IMO.

As for starting if Trent is not back I see a starting 2 comitee.

Sometimes Dick at 2 , sometimes Ochai at 2, sometimes RJ with Kelly at 4 and Barnes at 3.

[ItsDanger]

If only Masai had the courage to trade with SA to take Edey

Memphis almost shut down his workout halfway through because he was too physically dominant against the guys they put him up against.

A Utah Jazz insider two weeks ago leaked and deleted a comment how the Jazz brass were saying his workout was "child abuse".

Masai's new "vision" better work because there was no excuse to not take Edey and build around him.

I mean, there was the excuse that they didn't have the pick to take him.

They could have figured something out. Minny didn't pay a price that I would deem unacceptable to get Edey, especially considering they paid it knowing Anthony Edwards will be only like 29 when that unprotected pick is awarded. Raps could have done the trade with a few more protections and sweetened the deal somehow. Where there is a will there is a way. You move mountains to get a mountain mover.

Unnecessary. Could have have gotten him in last year's draft in early 2nd with guaranteed money if you were confident in his improvement. At that point, the risk/reward is an easy decision aside from trading a future unprotected 1st and swap. Missed opportunities.

[Jadoogar]

3&D player. But honestly if you can get a KCP type at 19, you're laughing to the bank. I think Trent is definitely gone. Gradey starts, this kid is the back up wing. Raptors won't be winning many games anyways.

I guess we will see what happens with Trent /Brown

Will we take the cap room space , bring back both or pick-up option & trade / sign trade Brown and or Trent Jr.

I don’t think drafting Ja’Kobe prevent Raptors to bring Trent back. Walter can easily take some time in G League, there is always injuries .

But definitely can’t see Raptors bringing GTJR long term . A year higher salary + team option (a la Brown) would be my take it or leave it approach with GTHJ

I am curious if Brown’s option will be pick up if not traded by today . Wondering as well if not if Brown could post poned the deadline by a day or two. He has everything to gain to see his option pick up IMO.

As for starting if Trent is not back I see a starting 2 comitee.

Sometimes Dick at 2 , sometimes Ochai at 2, sometimes RJ with Kelly at 4 and Barnes at 3.

I just don't think Trent is very good.
I think the most likely scenario is picking up Brown's option and trading him during the season. I think we offer a brown like deal to Trent to maintain the "asset" and trade him during the season.

[YogurtProducer]

Difference was that we were adding those guys to a 50 win team led by Demar/Lowry lol

Looking at that roster it makes no sense how we won 49 games in 2014-15.

Our back court combined for almost 40 PPG. Derozan and Lowry could both get you 20 on any single night, back when 20 PPG meant something (in the 14/15 season only 15 players averaged 20 PPG, with the highest being 28 PPG, and no 30 PPG scorers vs 38 players averaging 20 PPG, 4 guys averaging 30 PPG, with the league leader averaging 34 PPG in 23/24)

Lowry did not average 20ppg, but rather 17.8.
Demar was also the least efficient 20ppg guy in the league (lowest FG% while being low volume from 3 is... something)

It was not like that team had stud defenders. Demar was a dreadful defender. JV would get abused. We played Amir kind of out of position at the 4. We had Lou Will / Ross / Vasquez rounding out of guard rotation.

Honestly, it should be appreciate how hard Lowry carried those teams. Was not the big scorer but man did he lift everyone else up around him like crazy. Always in the right spot and did the right things. The league should be thankful the guy was 6'0 and kind of fat and not 6'6.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

If we traded potentially two future firsts for Edey in a weak class there would have been people BLASTING Masai

Imagine if Edey absolutely flops, and we gave up two future firsts to get him. That would be horrible.

He's not going to flop and the trade was only one unprotected pick and a pick swap.

That is a very definitive statement. Most #9 picks do not end up that great, and he was a #9 pick in a weak draft. The sad reality is that he is just as likely to flop as he is to succeed.

There is legit causes for concern with Edey.

7'5" guys have issues staying healthy
Can he play defence?
Etc.

FWIW - I like Edey and think the concerns are overblown. That being said, you cant act like it is a definite fact he will succceed.

And yeah... it was an unprotected 1st and a swap. So potentially (essentially) two firsts if SA is good and if MIN is bad.

You're playing two sides here. You either believe in Edey and think he's worth #8 or to have traded approximately what Minny did to get #8 or you don't. In terms of playing basketball, he will succeed. In terms of staying healthy, he has an immaculate medical report for a 7'5 player. Clingan is another story. Clingan also wasn't a high usage workhorse for the past 2 years of his life.

People don't realize that Edey is an incredibly special basketball talent and they keep bringing the same stuff up, "what about injuries, what about defense, what about this and that" it doesn't matter. Edey is so dominant on offense none of it matters, he's historically dominant and up there with all time greats if not BETTER than them in terms of efficiency and he's sufficiently good on D.

Masai could have done something special and gotten a 99th percentile outlier physical specimen and producer and instead succumbed to the same irrational doubts many people have. Kudos to Memphis, they have set themselves up to win the NBA Championship now.

[Tor_Raps]

Looking at that roster it makes no sense how we won 49 games in 2014-15.

The East was pretty **** ing bad.

Very true. AS much as I liked Amir, the fact he was our 3rd/4th best player is ridiculous.

I always said that the Demar/Lowry Raptors are the definition of overachieving. Those teams weren't even that good but Lowry's ability to raise everyone's floor will always be an underrated aspect that only raptor fans will know about.

[SHFT]

Wait? Huh?

meh pick. SG who did not shoot well.

But I wanted Suggs over Barnes so what do i know

Read on Twitter

He shot 32 % on mid range jumpers, 34% on 3s. Not a good shooter, at least when he was at Baylor.

He can say he's the best shooter and be confident, but numbers say otherwise

https://hoop-math.com/Baylor2024.php

He was shooting 40% before a knee injury

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[YogurtProducer]

He's not going to flop and the trade was only one unprotected pick and a pick swap.

That is a very definitive statement. Most #9 picks do not end up that great, and he was a #9 pick in a weak draft. The sad reality is that he is just as likely to flop as he is to succeed.

There is legit causes for concern with Edey.

7'5" guys have issues staying healthy
Can he play defence?
Etc.

FWIW - I like Edey and think the concerns are overblown. That being said, you cant act like it is a definite fact he will succceed.

And yeah... it was an unprotected 1st and a swap. So potentially (essentially) two firsts if SA is good and if MIN is bad.

You're playing two sides here. You either believe in Edey and think he's worth #8 or to have traded approximately what Minny did to get #8 or you don't. In terms of playing basketball, he will succeed. In terms of staying healthy, he has an immaculate medical report for a 7'5 player. Clingan is another story. Clingan also wasn't a high usage workhorse for the past 2 years of his life.

People don't realize that Edey is an incredibly special basketball talent and they keep bringing the same stuff up, "what about injuries, what about defense, what about this and that" it doesn't matter. Edey is so dominant on offense none of it matters, he's historically dominant and up there with all time greats if not BETTER than them in terms of efficiency and he's sufficiently good on D.

Masai could have done something special and gotten a 99th percentile outlier physical specimen and producer and instead succumbed to the same irrational doubts many people have. Kudos to Memphis, they have set themselves up to win the NBA Championship now.

You can like players and still recognize that there is still the bust potential.

I can also say Edey is a good pick at #8 or #9, and also think that giving up two future firsts is an overpay.

Kudos to Memphis, they have set themselves up to win the NBA Championship now.

Chill the **** out here

[links135]

Looking at that roster it makes no sense how we won 49 games in 2014-15.

Our back court combined for almost 40 PPG. Derozan and Lowry could both get you 20 on any single night, back when 20 PPG meant something (in the 14/15 season only 15 players averaged 20 PPG, with the highest being 28 PPG, and no 30 PPG scorers vs 38 players averaging 20 PPG, 4 guys averaging 30 PPG, with the league leader averaging 34 PPG in 23/24)

Lowry did not average 20ppg, but rather 17.8.
Demar was also the least efficient 20ppg guy in the league (lowest FG% while being low volume from 3 is... something)

It was not like that team had stud defenders. Demar was a dreadful defender. JV would get abused. We played Amir kind of out of position at the 4. We had Lou Will / Ross / Vasquez rounding out of guard rotation.

Honestly, it should be appreciate how hard Lowry carried those teams. Was not the big scorer but man did he lift everyone else up around him like crazy. Always in the right spot and did the right things. The league should be thankful the guy was 6'0 and kind of fat and not 6'6.

Low turnovers, high FTA meant our offence was as good as GSW and Lebrons Cleveland at the time.

[YogurtProducer]

Our back court combined for almost 40 PPG. Derozan and Lowry could both get you 20 on any single night, back when 20 PPG meant something (in the 14/15 season only 15 players averaged 20 PPG, with the highest being 28 PPG, and no 30 PPG scorers vs 38 players averaging 20 PPG, 4 guys averaging 30 PPG, with the league leader averaging 34 PPG in 23/24)

Lowry did not average 20ppg, but rather 17.8.
Demar was also the least efficient 20ppg guy in the league (lowest FG% while being low volume from 3 is... something)

It was not like that team had stud defenders. Demar was a dreadful defender. JV would get abused. We played Amir kind of out of position at the 4. We had Lou Will / Ross / Vasquez rounding out of guard rotation.

Honestly, it should be appreciate how hard Lowry carried those teams. Was not the big scorer but man did he lift everyone else up around him like crazy. Always in the right spot and did the right things. The league should be thankful the guy was 6'0 and kind of fat and not 6'6.

Low turnovers, high FTA meant our offence was as good as GSW and Lebrons Cleveland at the time.

Which is **** outrageous

[PushDaRock]

Actually a lot of similarities to Gary Trent Jr. in his game.

[Duffman100]

Actually a lot of similarities to Gary Trent Jr. in his game.

Gets to the line more, better defender.

Trent is a better shooter is my guess.

[RoyceDa59]

I love the pick. High upside 3&D star role player starter similar to OG.

[Zeno]

Actually a lot of similarities to Gary Trent Jr. in his game.

Gets to the line more, better defender.

Trent is a better shooter is my guess.

From the evaluations I've heard, Walter's percentage on catch and shoot is quite good. He shot horribly on his self created stuff which really dragged down his averages since it was a third of his attempts. So assuming they limit his role to that at the nba level (and let him expand his game during g league stints), he might really show improvement.

[ForeverTFC]

Actually a lot of similarities to Gary Trent Jr. in his game.

Gets to the line more, better defender.

Trent is a better shooter is my guess.

From the evaluations I've heard, Walter's percentage on catch and shoot is quite good. He shot horribly on his self created stuff which really dragged down his averages since it was a third of his attempts. So assuming they limit his role to that at the nba level (and let him expand his game during g league stints), he might really show improvement.

I mean every person that talks about him says he’s a good shooter with good form. The only guy that said he needs to “prove it” was that one dude on CBS.

I posted the Legler clip a few pages back, but he makes the argument that he wasn’t making those self created shots because he’s not strong enough and doesn’t have the moves to get separation. Luckily for us, those are things you can teach and develop. So if his shot and mechanics is as smooth as everyone says it is, I like taking a flier on him at 19, given he also has defensive upside. He was rumored to SA at 8 at one point.

[ConSarnit]

I mean, we might be saying the same thing about Barnes, Dick, Walters in a few years.

You forgot to add Cooper Flagg

You think we out-tanking Brooklyn, Washington and Detroit?

Not happening.

Don't really have to. Odds for getting the number 1 pick:

Worst overall record: 14.0%

4th worst: 13.2%

Just basically need to be in the bottom 5.

[mtcan]

You forgot to add Cooper Flagg

You think we out-tanking Brooklyn, Washington and Detroit?

Not happening.

Don't really have to. Odds for getting the number 1 pick:

Worst overall record: 14.0%

4th worst: 13.2%

Just basically need to be in the bottom 5.

I don't think we are bottom 5 bad.

We likely miss the playoffs but probably end up where Uah has been the last 2 years...basically 8-14 range.

[LarSiN]

lol, I really hoped the Edey Club would be over now, but I guess it's going to be years of complaining. Coool