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Hal14 wrote:cl2117 wrote:Love the pick, but sad that this could be an omen that this is Hauser's last year with us.
Will be fascinating to see if Joe can work out rotations where both of them are on the floor at the same time. Sam has already proven that it's not the high percentage play people though it would be to attack him. And then offensively the barrage of 3's we could rain down on people would just be overwhelming.
Succession planning will be key for us going forward in terms of roleplayers though and this guy seems like someone who can come in and play off our core stars, so bravo Brad.
I think they could play at the same time. The key is how quickly Baylor can get up to speed and be playable on the defensive end.
Hauser, Duncan Robinson, Strus. These guys all did year 1 in the G league and then got rotation mins in year 2. The same thing might happen with Baylor..but if he is able to get his defense to be playable in year 1, he could maybe start getting rotation mins in year 1 - even if it's not until the 2nd half of the season..
A lineup of Tatum, Brown, Hauser and Scheierman on the floor together does intrigue me. Plenty of size on the floor..enough rebounding. Enough ball handling and shot creation. Tatum is certainly used to playing PG at this point (on offense).
And if the defense collapses on Tatum/Brown drives, then boom, Hauser and Scheierman are raining 3's.
I see this guy on the big-club roster from the jump. Sammy has worked his way to an elite 3 & sandbag D. That's not Baylor, who, depending on matchup, could be a 1-3 off the bench from the start. Watch those boards and the passing and vision. What he and Sammy do have in common beyond the 3 and needing to work for the D is the smart constant movement on O.
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Bostonic33 wrote:Baylor isn't replacing Hauser... he is replacing Svi.
For this year yes. There is no world where we don’t at least pick up Sam’s option for this year. But what about next year? That’s my question.
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cloverleaf wrote:Hal14 wrote:cl2117 wrote:Love the pick, but sad that this could be an omen that this is Hauser's last year with us.
Will be fascinating to see if Joe can work out rotations where both of them are on the floor at the same time. Sam has already proven that it's not the high percentage play people though it would be to attack him. And then offensively the barrage of 3's we could rain down on people would just be overwhelming.
Succession planning will be key for us going forward in terms of roleplayers though and this guy seems like someone who can come in and play off our core stars, so bravo Brad.
I think they could play at the same time. The key is how quickly Baylor can get up to speed and be playable on the defensive end.
Hauser, Duncan Robinson, Strus. These guys all did year 1 in the G league and then got rotation mins in year 2. The same thing might happen with Baylor..but if he is able to get his defense to be playable in year 1, he could maybe start getting rotation mins in year 1 - even if it's not until the 2nd half of the season..
A lineup of Tatum, Brown, Hauser and Scheierman on the floor together does intrigue me. Plenty of size on the floor..enough rebounding. Enough ball handling and shot creation. Tatum is certainly used to playing PG at this point (on offense).
And if the defense collapses on Tatum/Brown drives, then boom, Hauser and Scheierman are raining 3's.
I see this guy on the big-club roster from the jump. Sammy has worked his way to an elite 3 & sandbag D. That's not Baylor, who, depending on matchup, could be a 1-3 off the bench from the start. Watch those boards and the passing and vision. What he and Sammy do have in common beyond the 3 and needing to work for the D is the smart constant movement on O.
He could also suck and wash out of the league in 2 years. Let's give him a few G-league games before we open the Scheierman era.
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Can he dunk like Sam? That's all I care about.
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Bostonic33 wrote:Baylor isn't replacing Hauser... he is replacing Svi.
Svi never played though.
We didn't draft a guy in the 1st round to never play.
Now that doesn't necessarily mean Baylor is gonna egt rotation mins as rookie. But they absolutely made this pick with the intention that he'll eventually crack the rotation.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything 

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31to6 wrote:This guy’s name takes too long to type and he will need a nickname. I propose “BS”
Baybay's kids when he leads the bench in year 2, Baylor Swift, but yeah probably just BS.
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So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.
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I'm seeing a bigger Brandon Podziemski here which is awesome for us.
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BK_2020 wrote:cloverleaf wrote:Hal14 wrote:I think they could play at the same time. The key is how quickly Baylor can get up to speed and be playable on the defensive end.
Hauser, Duncan Robinson, Strus. These guys all did year 1 in the G league and then got rotation mins in year 2. The same thing might happen with Baylor..but if he is able to get his defense to be playable in year 1, he could maybe start getting rotation mins in year 1 - even if it's not until the 2nd half of the season..
A lineup of Tatum, Brown, Hauser and Scheierman on the floor together does intrigue me. Plenty of size on the floor..enough rebounding. Enough ball handling and shot creation. Tatum is certainly used to playing PG at this point (on offense).
And if the defense collapses on Tatum/Brown drives, then boom, Hauser and Scheierman are raining 3's.
I see this guy on the big-club roster from the jump. Sammy has worked his way to an elite 3 & sandbag D. That's not Baylor, who, depending on matchup, could be a 1-3 off the bench from the start. Watch those boards and the passing and vision. What he and Sammy do have in common beyond the 3 and needing to work for the D is the smart constant movement on O.
He could also suck and wash out of the league in 2 years. Let's give him a few G-league games before we open the Scheierman era.
They'll see plenty in camp and already had him in for a workout.
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BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.
What's the shot profile though? From what I've read on Baylor, he played more of an on ball creator role than Hauser did. In the highlights you see more step backs, off the dribble, etc. More mention of his ball handling and playmaking chops. That leads to a tougher shot profile than a movement shooter like Hauser.
I don't think anyone is saying that he's a carbon copy of Hauser. Just that he can potentially fill that rotation slot if we're priced out of keeping Hauser or need to trade him. Some things he could potentially be better and some things he'd be worse.
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hugepatsfan wrote:BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.
What's the shot profile though? From what I've read on Baylor, he played more of an on ball creator role than Hauser did. In the highlights you see more step backs, off the dribble, etc. More mention of his ball handling and playmaking chops. That leads to a tougher shot profile than a movement shooter like Hauser.
I don't think anyone is saying that he's a carbon copy of Hauser. Just that he can potentially fill that rotation slot if we're priced out of keeping Hauser or need to trade him. Some things he could potentially be better and some things he'd be worse.
Which is another concern because we don't necessarily want a guy who's effective shooting step backs and fadeaways, we want a movement shooter.
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BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.
Seen his rebounding numbers? More like Chuck Barkley than Hauser.
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BK_2020 wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.
What's the shot profile though? From what I've read on Baylor, he played more of an on ball creator role than Hauser did. In the highlights you see more step backs, off the dribble, etc. More mention of his ball handling and playmaking chops. That leads to a tougher shot profile than a movement shooter like Hauser.
I don't think anyone is saying that he's a carbon copy of Hauser. Just that he can potentially fill that rotation slot if we're priced out of keeping Hauser or need to trade him. Some things he could potentially be better and some things he'd be worse.
Which is another concern because we don't necessarily want a guy who's effective shooting step backs and fadeaways, we want a movement shooter.
Sure, doubtful he's going to reach a status here anytime soon where we want him taking difficult shots.
But from what I've read he's displayed competency in the "basic" shooting areas as well. My point is just that in college if he was ALSO taking the tougher shots then that's going to drag his percentages down.
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I like that his name is easy to pronounce considering how hard it is to spell.
Shire Man. Like a hobbit or whatnot. Welcome large hobbit.
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BK_2020 wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.
What's the shot profile though? From what I've read on Baylor, he played more of an on ball creator role than Hauser did. In the highlights you see more step backs, off the dribble, etc. More mention of his ball handling and playmaking chops. That leads to a tougher shot profile than a movement shooter like Hauser.
I don't think anyone is saying that he's a carbon copy of Hauser. Just that he can potentially fill that rotation slot if we're priced out of keeping Hauser or need to trade him. Some things he could potentially be better and some things he'd be worse.
Which is another concern because we don't necessarily want a guy who's effective shooting step backs and fadeaways, we want a movement shooter.
Scheierman is the best movement shooter in this draft.
As HPF said, the shot diet was harder for Scheierman was much harder (movement 3's, off the dribble 3's, etc. whereas Hauser was mostly open catch and shoot looks from a standstill)
Because shot diet/degree of difficulty and team context can vary so much, that is why people often see these things as more of an indicator of shooting projection - moreso than raw 3 pt %:
-Volume (like 3PA/100 possessions)
-FT%
-Shot versatility
If you're at like 10 or more 3PA/100 possessions and you're 80% or higher on free throws, there's a good chance you'll be an elite shooter in the NBA...do those things for college multiple seasons - that's even better.
Scheierman was over 80% from the FT line in each of his last 4 college seasons..career 82% FT. That's VERY good. His last 2 yrs he was at 11.4 and 13.3 3PA/100 possessions. Woah, nelly! We have an elite shooter.
Add in the shot versatility, which means taking (and making) a good amount of threes from all over the floor..not just the corners but also above the break (both sides of the floor, etc.) and also not just taking catch and shoot 3's but also off the dribble and off movement. Plus being able to hit 3's over tight closeouts (rather than all uncontested shots) and from deep range (way behind 3 pt line).
Scheirman's shot versatility is *very* good..like, as good as any shooter in this class..best shot versatility in this class is probably Scheierman and Dillingham.
Now, if we look at Drew Peterson:
Volume: last 2 college seasons was only at 6.3 and 6.6 3PA/100 possessions, so not anywhere remotely close to Scheierman
FT%: last 3 college seasons was only 70%, 71% and 75%..74% for his career..again, not anywhere close to Scheierman
Shot versatility: pretty good but not on Scheierman's level
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything 

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BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.
Baylor and Sam are different players. Baylor averaged 9.8 boards and 4.5 assists per 40 to Sam's 7.8 and 2.7. Sam is beyond elite from 3.
And Drew was below Baylor in pretty much every college stat.
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BK_2020 wrote:hugepatsfan wrote:BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.
What's the shot profile though? From what I've read on Baylor, he played more of an on ball creator role than Hauser did. In the highlights you see more step backs, off the dribble, etc. More mention of his ball handling and playmaking chops. That leads to a tougher shot profile than a movement shooter like Hauser.
I don't think anyone is saying that he's a carbon copy of Hauser. Just that he can potentially fill that rotation slot if we're priced out of keeping Hauser or need to trade him. Some things he could potentially be better and some things he'd be worse.
Which is another concern because we don't necessarily want a guy who's effective shooting step backs and fadeaways, we want a movement shooter.
Ok, so you don't think he can supplant Sam and that's fair. What I want to know is do you think he can steal Jaylen's spot?