Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Arsenal]

I don't think any player is coming to Philly for the Philadelphia experience. That is reserved for the common hotspots that everyone complains about. Since Miami, the LAs, and NYC are cap strapped (or are Brooklyn and actively tanking), the next consideration is winning. Having a core of Maxey and Embiid with a championship coach in Nurse should be enough to allure top talent. The problem is this year's FA class is kinda lame and PG is determined to not leave California I guess. LeBron also doesn't seem interested in leaving LA despite it being a complacent non-move at the end of his career. I suppose they could get DeRozan which would give them a slight bump as a contender, but I don't think it's enough to really make waves in the west.

In the event PG returns to LAC, does that mean Harden is the odd man out? Do we actually try to mend that relationship, lol?

Signing Harden to around $30m/yr would be both hilarious, plus a great move considering the likely alternatives.

[Jailblazers7]

Option 1 = $50M for a player we don’t love
Option 2 = $25M player + $15M player +$10M player

I’d gladly take option 2 so we can have a 7-8 man rotation that we can believe in. One of our fatal flaws come playoff time is that we only have 1 lineup that’s any good so the second that lineup starts to falter we’re cooked.

[Iverson Armband]

Signing Harden would all but guarantee we don’t beat the Celtics or Knicks next year.

[mjkvol]

In the event PG returns to LAC, does that mean Harden is the odd man out? Do we actually try to mend that relationship, lol?

I'd take Harden at 30 mil over any of the max deal guys. He helped Maxey make a leap, and would likely have the same effect on McCain, we know the P&R with Embiid is lethal, and there's a ton of cap room to add some solid role players. Forgive and forget.

[GoSixersBro]

I don't necessarily agree with Bum that if we don't get LeBron or PG the offseason is a failure, but I do think Bum is correct in that something needs to happen in terms of getting a 3rd star or this Morey plan was an abject failure.

I think we can all agree on that, but hoping vs. expecting a big name to decide to join are two very different things. It takes two to tango. Like I said, in 2K you can basically pluck players off a tree and force them to play for you lol.

Two hard truths we forget to consider as fans:

1) Some NBA players, even superstars, may prioritize location over a winning situation. Climate, more relaxed fanbase/media, etc. PG for example might rather live on the West Coast and get paid with a less likely chance at a title than if he decided to live over here and play with Embiid.

Do we really all believe every NBA player are dying to win a title? They've already hit the lottery making the league with money that can change their families' lives for generations. That comfort and security can be way more attractive to players than a ring.

2) Some front offices basically need to do the bare minimum to keep ownership happy. Most owners would rather be profitable for a 10-15 year window than win a single title. Especially in a major market, as long as your selling tickets and merch, and milking that sweet hope of the fanbase. If you strike out on building an actual contender, you might be safe if you're fielding an annual faux contender (aka the 2019-2024 Sixers). 50 some wins, Playoffs, MVP caliber best player. Just my thoughts.

[Iverson Armband]

In the event PG returns to LAC, does that mean Harden is the odd man out? Do we actually try to mend that relationship, lol?

I'd take Harden at 30 mil over any of the max deal guys. He helped Maxey make a leap, and would likely have the same effect on McCain, we know the P&R with Embiid is lethal, and there's a ton of cap room to add some solid role players. Forgive and forget.

Desperation at its finest.

[Mik317]

you cannot not resign Harden one year because he was too old for that contract but then turn around and give him a big contract a year later lol

[Iverson Armband]

you cannot not resign Harden one year because he was too old for that contract but then turn around and give him a big contract a year later lol

I’m not a fire Morey guy, but if he brought that to me as an owner after last summer, I’d send his ass packing immediately.

[Mik317]

Harris is too busy with his new toy to care

[Snotbubbles]

I hate to even think it, but it does seem like it's going to be James and his G-League son.

Either that, or Morey is one delusional cat.

The Sixers win % when Embiid played was a 65 win pace. They don't need to get another "star." They just need to make good solid moves and surround Embiid and Maxey with really good complimentary players.

I would like a piece that takes some of that load off of Joel.

Having listened to Morey in a few conferences, when he doesn't have a plan he believes is "imminent" to be pulled off he picks language that gives him wiggle room in case nothing materializes. Last night, he sounded more like he felt confident something comes about.

At this point I feel like it's going to be PG13, Lebron or Jimmy and our fallback is Miles Bridges. I honestly don't know how I'll feel about the team if Miles Bridges is the move. From a basketball standpoint, he could literally be a young developing PG13 type. Just offcourt...

I wouldn't concern myself with age. I'd look at any signing as a 2 year window, with the possibility of a 3rd. After that, Embiid is probably done as an MVP candidate and his salary will be an albatross for whoever the GM is at that point.

[MikRay]

This isn't 2K.

Morey openly stated he was punting on last year in order to be in position to go big game hunting with our cap space. His words, not mine. If he does not land a Paul George, or LeBron James, or find a way to make a trade for a Kevin Durant type it’s an epic failure. I don’t care how you try and spin it - sorry.

If all we get in KCP type players it’s one and done again.

Have the Sixers in history ever brought in a LeBron or Durant caliber player? (no)

Isn’t that kind of a defeated attitude? We were told Morey was some kind of basketball genius in the way he can work a roster and take opposing general managers to the cleaners. I’ve yet to see it, as a matter fact the team operated better under EB

[76Love]

Knecht has better chance to be a starter in this league than McCain does. He should have been the pick

Knecht also played better than McCain in conference play in a better conference

I don't understand how Morey is a multimillionaire yet he is still a fat ass. Serious red flag from him

How can I trust a dude like that to make the right decisions for this franchise?

I believe McCain has significantly more upside and would be more worthy as a trade piece as well. He also has the all intangibles according to reports (work ethic, positive attitude etc.), I like that Morey takes this into account. We wasted two first picks on players with horrible to mediocre intangibles (Simmons & Fultz).

He does have a bigger upside but he is also a 6"2 sg with no pg skills who might struggle fighting through screens and getting his shot off at the next level. I'm also not big on Duke guards

Knecht was right there for taking and we let the **** Lakers take him

Now we are stuck with a light skin Lil Uzi Vert

[Sixersftw]

you cannot not resign Harden one year because he was too old for that contract but then turn around and give him a big contract a year later lol

I’m not a fire Morey guy, but if he brought that to me as an owner after last summer, I’d send his ass packing immediately.

Honestly, I'd respect the hell out of it. My man has one go to move and he's gonna stand by it.

[76Love]

I'm seeing Filipowskis name thrown around a lot here

Can someone explain what NBA skill he brings?

[Mik317]

I'm seeing Filipowskis name thrown around a lot here

Can someone explain what NBA skill he brings?

Versitile Big. Can shoot, can score inside too. Got better defensively in terms of moving his hips (had stiff ass hips years prior imo). Won't be an amazing rim protector but can play some spot minutes at the 5 and also next to Biid if needed.

Wasn't too jazzed about him at 16 but in the second, he is a good pick.

[Iscull]

Ingram would be a bit disappointing given the Sixers kinda sorta punted on last season to clear this cap space, so you're hoping for a bigger fish. That said, I think the narrative for Ingram has gone too far in the other direction. He's a good player, is only 26, has averaged 25ppg in this league and is an iso type scorer, which the Sixers need another of. Depending on price, getting him isn't a disaster, albeit not an ideal outcome.

Tobias was 25/26 before our trade and averaged 21, 8, and 2. We're not saying Ingram doesn't put up good numbers, he just doesn't have great energy and isn't clutch.

[mjkvol]

In the event PG returns to LAC, does that mean Harden is the odd man out? Do we actually try to mend that relationship, lol?

I'd take Harden at 30 mil over any of the max deal guys. He helped Maxey make a leap, and would likely have the same effect on McCain, we know the P&R with Embiid is lethal, and there's a ton of cap room to add some solid role players. Forgive and forget.

Desperation at its finest.

It's far from ideal or what I'm hoping to see, but I only said I'd take it over maxing someone and having a top heavy roster yet again to try and deal with the depth of the Celtics and Knicks. I'm not concerned with the optics or how it makes Morey look to some internet posters.

Harden and a deeper roster >>>>> George and a bunch of vet mins.

[Mik317]

I have called Ingram Skinny Tobias who smokes weed a lot.

So time for some pre-emptive cope

Unlike Tobias, Ingram doesn't spend most of his time trying to slow post up and is a better passer and while he also fell in love with the long 2s, he has shown that he has a quicker trigger finger too. So its not all bad


and now for the bad lol.

He has struggled conforming to a role. Team plays better with Zion at the helm and his Team USA stint went poorly.

so yeah hes def our guy lol

[Stanford]

Ingram is so much better than Tobias. He can pass, for one.

[FireMorey]

Ingram would be a bit disappointing given the Sixers kinda sorta punted on last season to clear this cap space, so you're hoping for a bigger fish. That said, I think the narrative for Ingram has gone too far in the other direction. He's a good player, is only 26, has averaged 25ppg in this league and is an iso type scorer, which the Sixers need another of. Depending on price, getting him isn't a disaster, albeit not an ideal outcome.

Tobias was 25/26 before our trade and averaged 21, 8, and 2. We're not saying Ingram doesn't put up good numbers, he just doesn't have great energy and isn't clutch.

He's a better player than Harris, their games are very different.