Bub Carrington

[Frichuela]

Uh, no.

If all he is, is a low-end starter or a Sato-level backup, then Dawkins has to get canned.

Dawkins jettisoned a 23-year-old, two-way point-forward who can board, who was just coming into his own (and who posted a 43-point, 15-rebound game this past year), and who had one of the best contracts in the league ... ALL SO THAT HE COULD MOVE UP AND DRAFT THIS DUDE.

It was a bold move, I'll give him that -- but it amounts to a declaration.

And that declaration is: this kid is gonna pop like Halliburton or Shai in a few years.

If he doesn't, then that is an EPIC FAIL, and there have to be consequences.

C’mon badinage. Haliburton and SGA are great players. Asking that Bub become an all-NBA player like those guys to justify the trade is asking a bit much, isn’t it?

Is Deni destined to become an all-NBA player? I doubt it.

Yes, I do need (and expect) for Carrington to be better than a Sato or low-end starter. But let’s not set the bar unreasonably high.

Agreed that expecting Bub become an all-NBA player like SGA/Hali to justify the trade is asking a bit too much, but for what is worth, his college coach is hyping Bub big time…we shall see. It’s obvious Dawkins took a gamble here by trading Deni…

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[Frichuela]

In all honesty, I have no clue how Carrington is going to pan out. But, for what is worth, respected NBA analysts Sam Vecenie and Danny Leroux had Bub ranked 8th and 5th in their boards, respectively…

[FAH1223]

Bub has youth on his side

And he may grow another inch

His dribble pull up jumper is money

So we have something to work with

[NatP4]

In all honesty, I have no clue how Carrington is going to pan out. But, for what is worth, respected NBA analysts Sam Vecenie and Danny Leroux had Bub ranked 8th and 5th in their boards, respectively…

The No Ceilings guys love Carrington, love the pick for Washington.

Thought it was interesting that Dawkins made a specific point to talk about Carrington’s improved play when moving off ball later in the season.

[J-Ves]

In all honesty, I have no clue how Carrington is going to pan out. But, for what is worth, respected NBA analysts Sam Vecenie and Danny Leroux had Bub ranked 8th and 5th in their boards, respectively…

The No Ceilings guys love Carrington, love the pick for Washington.

Thought it was interesting that Dawkins made a specific point to talk about Carrington’s improved play when moving off ball later in the season.

You can tell the team they are trying to build is one where all five guys can handle the ball, pass and shoot. No true roles on offense.

[badinage]

And he may grow another inch

Is this an actual possibility, as in something that has been reported and verified? Or just conjecture (“He already had a growth spurt, and maybe he’s not done!”)

[nate33]

In all honesty, I have no clue how Carrington is going to pan out. But, for what is worth, respected NBA analysts Sam Vecenie and Danny Leroux had Bub ranked 8th and 5th in their boards, respectively…

The No Ceilings guys love Carrington, love the pick for Washington.

Thought it was interesting that Dawkins made a specific point to talk about Carrington’s improved play when moving off ball later in the season.

Yeah, there are some plays in the scouting report video of Carrington running off-ball curls and then catch-and-shooting a 3 while still on the move a la JJ Redick. That's a high level skill that seems to have been forgotten these days.

[badinage]

Uh, no.

If all he is, is a low-end starter or a Sato-level backup, then Dawkins has to get canned.

Dawkins jettisoned a 23-year-old, two-way point-forward who can board, who was just coming into his own (and who posted a 43-point, 15-rebound game this past year), and who had one of the best contracts in the league ... ALL SO THAT HE COULD MOVE UP AND DRAFT THIS DUDE.

It was a bold move, I'll give him that -- but it amounts to a declaration.

And that declaration is: this kid is gonna pop like Halliburton or Shai in a few years.

If he doesn't, then that is an EPIC FAIL, and there have to be consequences.

C’mon badinage. Haliburton and SGA are great players. Asking that Bub become an all-NBA player like those guys to justify the trade is asking a bit much, isn’t it?

Is Deni destined to become an all-NBA player? I doubt it.

Yes, I do need (and expect) for Carrington to be better than a Sato or low-end starter. But let’s not set the bar unreasonably high.

Agreed that expecting Bub become an all-NBA player like SGA/Hali to justify the trade is asking a bit too much, but for what is worth, his college coach is hyping Bub big time…we shall see. It’s obvious Dawkins took a gamble here by trading Deni…

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Is it asking too much that he be superior to what Deni Avdija becomes?

[FAH1223]

And he may grow another inch

Is this an actual possibility, as in something that has been reported and verified? Or just conjecture (“He already had a growth spurt, and maybe he’s not done!”)

Pure conjecture

Also, Bilal clearly grew since last year

[nate33]

I actually do see the SGA comparisons in that SGA makes a living out of getting to the lane and then pulling up for short midrange shots. There are some differences though - primarily in that SGA is also an elite athlete whereas Bub is merely an average athlete. Also, SGA has a knack for drawing fouls while Bub avoids contact. (But that can be remedied with training.)

[tontoz]

No ceilings live show. Bub pick at the 2:00 mark.

Prior to the pick one of them had Bub at the top of his board. There were some Kyshawn George mentions as well.

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[Rafael122]

C’mon badinage. Haliburton and SGA are great players. Asking that Bub become an all-NBA player like those guys to justify the trade is asking a bit much, isn’t it?

Is Deni destined to become an all-NBA player? I doubt it.

Yes, I do need (and expect) for Carrington to be better than a Sato or low-end starter. But let’s not set the bar unreasonably high.

Agreed that expecting Bub become an all-NBA player like SGA/Hali to justify the trade is asking a bit too much, but for what is worth, his college coach is hyping Bub big time…we shall see. It’s obvious Dawkins took a gamble here by trading Deni…

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Is it asking too much that he be superior to what Deni Avdija becomes?

Bub has an NBA trait that Deni didn't have when he got drafted. Deni's thing was he was a jack of all trades, might play point forward, can guard 1-4. But he didn't have that one NBA trait, like shooting, or rebounding. Credit to Deni for working on his game though. Bub can be on the floor Day 1 just based on his ability to score the basket. The knocks on him right now is that he can't finish at the room, but he's not strong enough yet (which is another knock). But he's got NBA talent now.

[tontoz]

Bub isn't quite as long as SGA, but weighs 15 pounds more than SGA did at the combine.

[gesa2]

C’mon badinage. Haliburton and SGA are great players. Asking that Bub become an all-NBA player like those guys to justify the trade is asking a bit much, isn’t it?

Is Deni destined to become an all-NBA player? I doubt it.

Yes, I do need (and expect) for Carrington to be better than a Sato or low-end starter. But let’s not set the bar unreasonably high.

Agreed that expecting Bub become an all-NBA player like SGA/Hali to justify the trade is asking a bit too much, but for what is worth, his college coach is hyping Bub big time…we shall see. It’s obvious Dawkins took a gamble here by trading Deni…

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Is it asking too much that he be superior to what Deni Avdija becomes?

Yes it is asking too much. Let me make clear that I am not in favor of the trade, and think that Deni would have been worth even more later if we held on to him.
But your logic isn’t sound because of timeline issues. We’re at the start of a multi year rebuild, we will be focusing on development over winning for the next 3+ years. So the most optimistic keep Deni forever scenario is we have one good year when we are trying to win before he is properly paid. We’ll have control of Bub for 7 years at an artificially suppressed salary. And we have another pick in the distant future. You’re being simplistic. How would we even decide which player is better, unless Bub busts? This board can’t decide what to eat for lunch without a 99 page thread

[Endless Loop]

Deni might become good and get paid is a weird reason to move him. If his value warrants a big extension then that's great for us. We pay him and then we trade him for strong assets if we think he doesn't fit the timeline. Simple.

You're not getting it. Deni already is good. We're proactively moving him because we already know he doesn't fit the timeline. This is the kind of move everyone was begging Tommy to do at the height of Beal's value because we knew we needed to kickstart a rebuild. The contract extension and NTC notwithstanding, the situation as a whole is a perfect example of what happens when you wait too long.

I get it. I like Deni, too. But y'all should've seen this coming after he signed such a fair deal. Kuz and Corey are next. There won't be any remnants of the past regime by 2026.

This "doesn't fit the timeline" stuff makes no sense to me.

Deni is a couple years older than the average rookie. He's the same age as a rookie (Knecht) who was drafted 3 slots behind the pick the Wiz got for the trade. Deni will be playing for the next 10 years or more. His upcoming contract is 4 years, $55 million. Odds are, that in a couple of years that contract will look like what a mid first-round pick gets for four years! It's just a little bit more than the Wiz will pay #2 pick Sarr for the next four years ($51 million).

One other thing- Portland is also rebuilding. That's why they just traded an oft-injured 31 year old for a 23 year old guy who just keeps getting better. THAT's how you retool!

[wewillnevertank]

This "doesn't fit the timeline" stuff makes no sense to me.

Deni is a couple years older than the average rookie. He's the same age as a rookie (Knecht) who was drafted 3 slots behind the pick the Wiz got for the trade. Deni will be playing for the next 10 years or more. His upcoming contract is 4 years, $55 million. Odds are, that in a couple of years that contract will look like what a mid first-round pick gets for four years! It's just a little bit more than the Wiz will pay #2 pick Sarr for the next four years ($51 million).

One other thing- Portland is also rebuilding. That's why they just traded an oft-injured 31 year old for a 23 year old guy who just keeps getting better. THAT's how you retool!

A couple things:

1) Knecht is not a good point of comparison in the age discussion because the Lakers are perennially in win-now mode. The closest thing they do to rebuilding is stockpile FRPs they can later package for a star.

2) Yes, Portland is in more of a retool than a full rebuild. Those are very different approaches. A retool only makes sense if you actually have the capital to make that work. The decisions Tommy made put us in a position where we needed a full teardown and multiple hits in the draft.

3) "Deni will be playing for the next 10 years or more" is hilarious on multiple levels. For one, you have no way of actually knowing that. I remember thinking the same thing about Otto before the injury. Anything can happen. Deni has proven pretty durable, but so was Otto until he wasn't. But even if Deni's career really does last that long, how much of that is prime Deni?

[DCZards]

Washington used the No. 14 pick on Pittsburgh guard Bub Carrington, who was probably the player that I was highest on compared to the overall consensus this season. I had him at No. 8 on my board and think he’s a tremendous upside swing to fill the team’s need for a lead guard. He is a real dribble-pass-shoot threat with awesome ball-screen instincts as one of the youngest players in the class at just 18. He is a tremendous shot-maker as a pull-up scorer already.

As a passer and playmaker, he sees the court well and clearly knows how to read the defense. Defensively, he got better throughout the season. On top of that, he’s on a remarkably positive growth trajectory. He was just 5-foot-8 when he was a sophomore in high school before shooting up to around 6-foot-1 as a senior, and then continuing to grow to 6-4 before playing a game at Pittsburgh. He didn’t have the frame to really attack the rim then, and he’s still learning. Carrington was my favorite home run swing in the class given what he can already do, and what I think he’s capable of down the road.
— Sam Vecenie

[doclinkin]

Washington used the No. 14 pick on Pittsburgh guard Bub Carrington, who was probably the player that I was highest on compared to the overall consensus this season. I had him at No. 8 on my board and think he’s a tremendous upside swing to fill the team’s need for a lead guard. He is a real dribble-pass-shoot threat with awesome ball-screen instincts as one of the youngest players in the class at just 18. He is a tremendous shot-maker as a pull-up scorer already.

As a passer and playmaker, he sees the court well and clearly knows how to read the defense. Defensively, he got better throughout the season. On top of that, he’s on a remarkably positive growth trajectory. He was just 5-foot-8 when he was a sophomore in high school before shooting up to around 6-foot-1 as a senior, and then continuing to grow to 6-4 before playing a game at Pittsburgh. He didn’t have the frame to really attack the rim then, and he’s still learning. Carrington was my favorite home run swing in the class given what he can already do, and what I think he’s capable of down the road.
— Sam Vecenie

The growth part is significant to me. If their med staff took a look at his medicals and growth plates and said this kid is still shooting up in height -- then we may have stolen a serious future mismatch. Does he top out at 6'6" /6'7" ? One of the youngest players in the draft, with a pretty advanced skill set. Room to fill out and build muscle. I don't hate the pick in a vacuum. Yes he has big shoes to fill when measured against Deni. But by himself I see him as a damned good gamble for a pick outside the lotto. I like the chances for both his jumper and his playmaking to improve, as well as interior scoring as he puts on muscle to do so.

[tontoz]

As soon as i saw him take a few pullup jumpers i was like...i get it.

[doclinkin]

Yeah. I reserve the right to both hate the trade and like the player.