NBA Draft 2024

[KdoubleDees23]

On the other hand if Holmes or any of the players we passed up turn up to be studs then we will be kicking ourselves for trading down to #28 in a year where it was crucial that we nailed the right player.

Apparently they were not high enough on anyone to draft him with #22. If someone becomes a stud it only means a lot of teams were not able to project it. Nothing to kick ourserlves about as we'll never know who Jones would've picked at 22 if no trading down. Likely it's Dunn and no additional assets in this case.

This draft sucks. Not one player with all star potential

[BobbieL]

So what are we expecting tomorrow? We stand pat at #56 or do we try move back higher into the 2nd round to try and get Kolek?

Utah at #32, Portland with #34 and #40, Minnesota with #37 and Charlotte with #42 could all be trade partners I think.

I think one possible deal could be Little + 3 2nds for Nick Richards + #42.

If Tyler Kolek or Ajay Mitchell (both of whom we worked out) are available at #42, I think that's something we'll look at. We've obviously liked Richards (lots of reports about that), and he's one of the few attainable pieces with the Little contract.

The other deal of course would Little for Kessler. But Ainge would certainly ask for the 2031 pick, and I'd imagine we want to preserve that for a genuine difference maker. What a pity we couldn't get in on the Avdija deal. 2 1sts is what it took to get him, and we should have offered that.

Man, if we were able to pull that off and draft Kolek, I would actually be excited for next season.

I think I would be okay with the Little plus 2nds to move up and get another player. Dunn seems like a good defender but his offensive metrics are so bad - you are playing 4 on 5 on offense. Hopefully that improves. Personally,, I think with the need, Kolek should have been the pick

[Slim Charless]

In the decades there have been far more players who have come in as defensive standouts but can't stay on the floor long enough to make a difference than there have been the Ben Wallaces, Mutumbos and Goberts. Those are the exceptions NOT the rule

Here's a few guys who came into the league as elite defensive prospects that never left their mark in the NBA: Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Justise Winslow, Hasheem Thabeet, Jarvis Varnardo, Mo Bamba, Ekpe Udoh....

None of those guys have had even the remotely close to the defense numbers and everything that Dunn has had. Can we at least have this discussion in an adult way? I show you a historic prospect and you throw Thabeet back at me, lol.

C'mon Slim just because you don't like this discussion doesn't mean we're not talking about it an adult way. I gave you examples of elite defensive prospects, some with better and some with similar offensive skills (ie next to none) and these are just guys who have flamed out. If Herb Jones didn't become a shooter in the NBA and I listed his name, you'd just throw him into the same heap as the other guys I named because they didn't make it in the NBA. You only want to see names that became the exception like Jones, like OG, like Wallace, like Gobert. Yet you won't admit that they are the exception not the rule.

Regardless of how good his defense is (which I've already said is really good), the odds aren't in his favour from an offensive standpoint and whether you're a liability offensively or defensively, you're going to get found out and exploited at the NBA level and most guys who can't get their liabilities sorted, don't stick around in the NBA.

I agree there's a slight chance he gets to DPOTY or even 1st team all defense....because that's hard. I have issues with the comps to Thabeet and dudes who did nothing in college. That kind of talk makes the conversation trend into comical levels.

I also think you've overvalued the lack of offense. He isn't completely inept as he can cut and dunk and move into position to get the ball in the hoop. On a team like ours with 3 high impact scorers-we don't need a guy taking 14 shots a game lol.

[Slim Charless]

So what are we expecting tomorrow? We stand pat at #56 or do we try move back higher into the 2nd round to try and get Kolek?

Utah at #32, Portland with #34 and #40, Minnesota with #37 and Charlotte with #42 could all be trade partners I think.

I think one possible deal could be Little + 3 2nds for Nick Richards + #42.

If Tyler Kolek or Ajay Mitchell (both of whom we worked out) are available at #42, I think that's something we'll look at. We've obviously liked Richards (lots of reports about that), and he's one of the few attainable pieces with the Little contract.

The other deal of course would Little for Kessler. But Ainge would certainly ask for the 2031 pick, and I'd imagine we want to preserve that for a genuine difference maker. What a pity we couldn't get in on the Avdija deal. 2 1sts is what it took to get him, and we should have offered that.

I think James Jones did a terrific job trading #22 for his guy + 3 2nds but I think he is done making trades in this draft.

Bronny James IF he is available at #56. If Bronny is gone I think we will select an old prospect for that 15th roster spot.

Might not make any draft trades, but I definitely think we'll be shopping Nas Little, and possibly even Nurk.

I'm still hoping to trade Nurk to OKC's cap space as they still have no big. I'll take whatever they wanna give for him. Then we can use Ishbia's $$$$ to buy a SRP in the top of this draft and get Flip.

Also, I think that dude we hired from the Nets had more to do with the clever trade down we did yesterday then JJ. Forgot the guy's name but I'll bet he helped alot there.

[BobbieL]

I think James Jones did a terrific job trading #22 for his guy + 3 2nds but I think he is done making trades in this draft.

Bronny James IF he is available at #56. If Bronny is gone I think we will select an old prospect for that 15th roster spot.

Might not make any draft trades, but I definitely think we'll be shopping Nas Little, and possibly even Nurk.

I'm still hoping to trade Nurk to OKC's cap space as they still have no big. I'll take whatever they wanna give for him. Then we can use Ishbia's $$$$ to buy a SRP in the top of this draft and get Flip.

Also, I think that dude we hired from the Nets had more to do with the clever trade down we did yesterday then JJ. Forgot the guy's name but I'll bet he helped alot there.

Not sure trading Nurkic for nothing helps the team. The team is well over the cap and its not like they will get cap space

Flip would be a nice project but the Suns are not in a position where they can take on too many projects. Dunn is fine because he can defensd

[dremill24]

I think James Jones did a terrific job trading #22 for his guy + 3 2nds but I think he is done making trades in this draft.

Bronny James IF he is available at #56. If Bronny is gone I think we will select an old prospect for that 15th roster spot.

Might not make any draft trades, but I definitely think we'll be shopping Nas Little, and possibly even Nurk.

I'm still hoping to trade Nurk to OKC's cap space as they still have no big. I'll take whatever they wanna give for him. Then we can use Ishbia's $$$$ to buy a SRP in the top of this draft and get Flip.

Also, I think that dude we hired from the Nets had more to do with the clever trade down we did yesterday then JJ. Forgot the guy's name but I'll bet he helped alot there.

His name is Matt Tellem, and he would tell you it is not legal for the team to send cash in a trade so buying a 2nd is off the table.

[Crives]

Ghost anyone interesting around 56?

[Crives]

Jamal shead would be a fun guy to trade up for.. likely need to trade into the 40-45 range

[Puff]

We "Dunn" it, now it is up to James Jones to "Do It" again in the 2nd round. He "Dunn" got us a defensive wing that we needed now fill in the other issues we have.

[Puff]

I know Little is a tradeable contract for some help but I always wanted him to get more playing time which Vogel never gave him. He seems like a good dude that had injury issues last year. Quite frankly I was not all that impressed with O'Neal. Sure he had some stellar shooting nights but there were many nights when he did not do well.

If we did not sign O'Neale, which we probably will, how would Dunn and Little be as our back up wings rather than O'Neale and Okogie? We cannot keep everyone.

[RaisingArizona]

Okogie and Dunn cannot play together like ever. Thinking this means Okogie is gone

[King4Day]

Might not make any draft trades, but I definitely think we'll be shopping Nas Little, and possibly even Nurk.

I'm still hoping to trade Nurk to OKC's cap space as they still have no big. I'll take whatever they wanna give for him. Then we can use Ishbia's $$$$ to buy a SRP in the top of this draft and get Flip.

Also, I think that dude we hired from the Nets had more to do with the clever trade down we did yesterday then JJ. Forgot the guy's name but I'll bet he helped alot there.

His name is Matt Tellem, and he would tell you it is not legal for the team to send cash in a trade so buying a 2nd is off the table.

Also, I believe the days of buying 2nd round picks are over. Teams can trade them for a future protected 2nd at the minimum as they are so much more valuable now with these aprons.

[Slim Charless]

Might not make any draft trades, but I definitely think we'll be shopping Nas Little, and possibly even Nurk.

I'm still hoping to trade Nurk to OKC's cap space as they still have no big. I'll take whatever they wanna give for him. Then we can use Ishbia's $$$$ to buy a SRP in the top of this draft and get Flip.

Also, I think that dude we hired from the Nets had more to do with the clever trade down we did yesterday then JJ. Forgot the guy's name but I'll bet he helped alot there.

Not sure trading Nurkic for nothing helps the team. The team is well over the cap and its not like they will get cap space

Flip would be a nice project but the Suns are not in a position where they can take on too many projects. Dunn is fine because he can defensd

He doesn't need to start immediately (though I'd be fine with it) as just getting off the deal is enough. I think we could sign someone like Precious Achiuwa in the offseason too. He's a rugged defender and can contrast with Flip nicely. Also would be cheap IMO.

I'm also fine with selecting Kolek as well in the same spot and situation.

[Fo-Real]

Bronny in town yet? He and Ryan need to start shooting!!!

[BobbieL]

Okogie and Dunn cannot play together like ever. Thinking this means Okogie is gone

This is correct. Would be playing 3 on 5 on offense

Oh boy - going to be interesting what happens today

[RaisingArizona]

Move up to take Kolek or Flip? I would.

[dremill24]

I'm still hoping to trade Nurk to OKC's cap space as they still have no big. I'll take whatever they wanna give for him. Then we can use Ishbia's $$$$ to buy a SRP in the top of this draft and get Flip.

Also, I think that dude we hired from the Nets had more to do with the clever trade down we did yesterday then JJ. Forgot the guy's name but I'll bet he helped alot there.

Not sure trading Nurkic for nothing helps the team. The team is well over the cap and its not like they will get cap space

Flip would be a nice project but the Suns are not in a position where they can take on too many projects. Dunn is fine because he can defensd

He doesn't need to start immediately (though I'd be fine with it) as just getting off the deal is enough. I think we could sign someone like Precious Achiuwa in the offseason too. He's a rugged defender and can contrast with Flip nicely. Also would be cheap IMO.

I'm also fine with selecting Kolek as well in the same spot and situation.

Achiuwa on the minimum would be absolutely shocking. Make the call I guess, but I wouldnt be planning on that as a realistic option.

[Saberestar]

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[Fo-Real]

I have been joking about Bronny the whole time. But I wanted to point out that in the ESPN best remaining players left in the draft.... they have him listed as a Pg....

[Waylay13]

I am wondering if there is any chance that we can buy the Jazz's pick at 32 and pick up Tyler Kolek or Kyle Filipowski.